ATL - Season Resumes page 87

[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

The NBA needs to move a little quick here. Both Florida and Nevada are states pushing to re-open. Disney is already looking to re-open retail stores. Vegas needs the casino opens. It could be a weird situation where the whole state is open and missing out on locking down the bubble scenario but players won't agree to unsafe conditions.

[crkone]

Is it really necessary to keep these guys and their families locked up like prisoners? Its not like they could stop them from leaving Disney if they wanted to leave and I doubt Disney is going to stay totally shutdown either. I think if they do restart the season there has to be some acceptance and even expectation that you might lose some players along the way to positive tests because if one positive can upend the whole thing then we may as well cancel the season, that's way too much risk.

Luxury hotels, best food on the planet, private access to golf courses.

Yea, just like prison.

They might be making millions but how will they survive if they can't go to the strip club?

Screen the escorts before they come onto the property!

[JayMKE]

Luxury hotels, best food on the planet, private access to golf courses.

Yea, just like prison.

They might be making millions but how will they survive if they can't go to the strip club?

Screen the escorts before they come onto the property!

Disney provides all

[paulpressey25]

The NBA needs to move a little quick here. Both Florida and Nevada are states pushing to re-open. Disney is already looking to re-open retail stores. Vegas needs the casino opens. It could be a weird situation where the whole state is open and missing out on locking down the bubble scenario but players won't agree to unsafe conditions.

The Disney thing is really only a cadre of restaurants that ring the outside of the property. I haven’t been there since 2006, but from what I recall there are entire sections you can keep really locked down. And those sections have amazing hotel and amenities.

[DingleJerry]

I was entertained by the doc, really needed with no other sports. But it not being unbiased puts a bit of a wrinkle in. MJ essentially making a doc about how great he is not some "see he's clearly the GOAT" thing how it's being played now. It's perfectly fine to think he is, not arguing that, just saying a using a documentary that he has the power over should not be part of the conversation. As if you couldn't make a LBJ one that shows similar ridiculous stuff. I mean look at the gushing over every statline MJ put in any big game, now go look at the stat lines LBJ has put up.

Few things I'd add too. Another for the MJ arguers is I hope they take not as to how many big shots (and plays) were made by other players late in those games. This whole narrative they've spun about how LBJ needs to shoot every last second shot or he's not as good as MJ is just flat out wrong (this also applies to Giannis). I don't mean just the two Paxson/Kerrs, there was several others too. That said, it is a testament to MJ that he learned to pass and that's ultimately what led to winning big. Just saying the you have to shoot every time late or you're a coward stuff is dumb.

Another thing is his ending about how he wanted to play and go for 7 and he needed that opportunity and all that. Well, no one was stopping you. Oh but you chose not to play rather than play a season when you're not a clear favorite over everyone. I'm sure Pippen was gone after that year, he needed to lock in big money. You could've still played with what was left and what you could've got back in a Pip sign/trade. Instead he essentially said, "my team's not loaded anymore, I'm just gonna quit so no one can beat me". It's like if the best players at a pickup game get split up and instead of playing on one just quits since now he can't win easily anymore.

Also, I hope everyone noticed the final scores in these game and how low they were. This is considered the "glory days" by so many, I strongly disagree with that and have said it for years. That slow down bully ball stuff by everyone was not great. It started with the Pistons and the whole league started doing it.

[MickeyDavis]

I don't think more scoring/more 3's necessarily make it a "better" game.

[DingleJerry]

I don't think more scoring/more 3's necessarily make it a "better" game.

Yea that's a matter of opinion of course. But it generally is more entertaining, at least by somewhat clear majority opinion. That's all I was saying. It's not dissimilar to someone who likes a 1-0 baseball game over a 7-5. It's fine, to each their own, but most would prefer the one with more scoring. I'm certainly of the opinion that I prefer more up tempo, more skills, more shooting, etc and less beating the crap out of each other. We have football for that.

Essentially this carried onto to the mid 00s before they pulled the plug on it and changed the rules due to bad ratings/reviews. which led to the game as it is now. I mean lets say the Bucks play an 82-75 game, wouldn't the majority reaction be "ugh what an ugly game". I vaguely remember a game vs Miami last season like that.

[MickeyDavis]

Low scoring games today are indeed ugly because they are a result of a ton of 3 point bricks. Low scoring (then normal) during the Jordan era were the result of good defense and working the shot clock. Jordan's playoff games were a lot lower scoring than today's gamse but damn many of them were exciting as hell. I don't dislike today's game but I'm not all that excited about games being essentially 3 point contests. Always hard to compare era's of course.

[DingleJerry]

Yes that's fine and all, and some are gonna prefer it. Some of it is good D and some of it simply they couldn't shoot as well and each team had two bruisers on the floor instead of 1 like now. I'm saying I prefer to see another skilled player out there, not a Dale Davis beating the hell out of someone. I and it seems majority prefer to see a skills/shooting contest over a who can beat the crap out of each other contest. Of course it's fine to prefer what you want. I'm merely saying the consensus at this point is against this. I mean, isn't WI and UVA widely ripped on for being a poor entertainment and boring style bball for doing exactly what you said here. Some of course like it though.

[WeekapaugGroove]

1994 to 2010 FGA per game was consistently around 80. That period is really an outlier because before that it was up around the 88-90 range that we currently see. Pre 1980s it was always higher than 90 and pre 1969 we saw over 100 FGAs a game.

Teams like the Knicks muddied up the game and it lasted for a while. The current game certainly takes more 3s but the pace now is really more 'normal' than some new thing when looking at the history of the league.

I think Jordan is the GOAT but I also think the 90s were a pretty weak era for the league due to drugs, injuries, and expansion. Like people think some teams are bad now but that era had some truly horrible teams at the bottom.

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[DingleJerry]

Yup, started with the Pistons and it went from there. Bulls perfected the right balance of it and since they had the best offensive player in the world to go with it, they won. Harper/Pip/MJ/Rodman is a ridiculous D unit of length/arms and toughness. None of that means at all that the games weren't still compelling or drama filled throughout the playoffs. In general it probably does lead to more close games instead of blowouts (fewer possessions should lead to that in general).

Sure it was great in the playoffs at drama time, but imagine going to a game of blah teams in the regular season and watching 81-77.

[KidA24]

Low scoring games today are indeed ugly because they are a result of a ton of 3 point bricks. Low scoring (then normal) during the Jordan era were the result of good defense and working the shot clock. Jordan's playoff games were a lot lower scoring than today's gamse but damn many of them were exciting as hell. I don't dislike today's game but I'm not all that excited about games being essentially 3 point contests. Always hard to compare era's of course.

Yet lots of people call the Badger basketball program boring when they play low scoring close games because of good defense and working the shot clock.

[ReasonablySober]

Low scoring games today are indeed ugly because they are a result of a ton of 3 point bricks. Low scoring (then normal) during the Jordan era were the result of good defense and working the shot clock. Jordan's playoff games were a lot lower scoring than today's gamse but damn many of them were exciting as hell. I don't dislike today's game but I'm not all that excited about games being essentially 3 point contests. Always hard to compare era's of course.

Low scoring in the 90s occurred because teams didn't shoot threes and relied on inefficient shots.

[crkone]

Would you rather watch bad scoring and bad defense games now or in the 90s?

[WeekapaugGroove]

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Some of these are just dumb questions. LeBron is definitely the better passer.

Jordan is the GOAT but I actually think LeBron would win a game of 1 on 1. LeBron is a freak with his size athleticism and that would give Jordan trouble. Now if you let Jordan prepare for like a year he might find a way or he'd hire someone to break LeBrons legs.

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[Ron Swanson]

All this Jordan v. Lebron crap is entirely fan-driven obsession/insecurity because I honestly saw nothing in the documentary that even remotely fanned the flames of that debate. I thought everyone was surprisingly candid and it's not like they "revealed" any shocking new details that we didn't already know. It's just that some people will view anything like this that comes out as an affront or shot at Lebron and current players in general. God forbid that everything isn't just "nostalgia" and it's fun to show the younger generation a reminder about just how much of a cultural icon Jordan was.

[DingleJerry]

Yea that's frankly a dumb way to do the poll. Almost everyone is just gonna vote their side no matter what (not unlike politics haha). Things clearly wrong are passing and preferred teammate. I'd take LBJ on D too but that's one that could go either way. Clutch and last shot are the areas where MJ has the biggest edge imo and what makes up for him lacking in other heads up things (mostly just the physical size LBJ has that makes him different on D and rebounding). Many other areas you can just call a toss up, but those last shot and clutch stuff goes MJs way (but lets not forget some of MJs late game chokes too that were shown in the doc and others they didn't, espn like to make it out that he never messed up late games but he did).

[jschligs]

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Some of these are just dumb questions. LeBron is definitely the better passer.

Jordan is the GOAT but I actually think LeBron would win a game of 1 on 1. LeBron is a freak with his size athleticism and that would give Jordan trouble. Now if you let Jordan prepare for like a year he might find a way or he'd hire someone to break LeBrons legs.

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And I think it's insane to think MJ had a better impact off the court. Whether you like him or not, Lebron has done some incredible things off the court (along with being a model human - MJ was far from that).

That being said, I don't think you can crown a GOAT. I love Lebron, I love MJ, I love Giannis. Just enjoy greatness.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Yea that's frankly a dumb way to do the poll. Almost everyone is just gonna vote their side no matter what (not unlike politics haha). Things clearly wrong are passing and preferred teammate. I'd take LBJ on D too but that's one that could go either way. Clutch and last shot are the areas where MJ has the biggest edge imo and what makes up for him lacking in other heads up things (mostly just the physical size LBJ has that makes him different on D and rebounding). Many other areas you can just call a toss up, but those last shot and clutch stuff goes MJs way (but lets not forget some of MJs late game chokes too that were shown in the doc and others they didn't, espn like to make it out that he never messed up late games but he did).

I was thinking about the defense. I think Jordan was far more consistent on D so I'd give the edge but when LeBron is locked in he's a terrifying defender so might have a slightly higher ceiling.

I actually think offense is closer than people may think. LeBron can pretty much get to the hole at will as seen in some of those Cavs finals games.

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[MissKhriddleton]

Curious as to what people think was held back to protect Jordan's image? He came off as a huge prick and not a great teammate.