Knicks hire Walt Perrin as Assistant GM

[mpharris36]

Just to be clear, Perry is now the Assistant GM, right? If not in title, than function.

Perrin didn't leave his VP post to screen Scottie's emails

he's 100% running the draft...which is what people thought was the main reason Rose kept Perry around.

So basically sounds like Perry is going to be answering phone calls in terms of trades...but he has zero say especially now that we have a draft specialist and a cap specialist for trade scenarios...and a POBO for final say.

I'd like to hope Scott Perry is being kept around for a bit of continuity, and continuity leading up to the draft, but once Perrin and the capologist dude get settled in, Perry gets the boot. Or, more likely, just isn't rehired at the end of his deal, which is in one year, correct? I don't mind Scott Perry cashing Dolan's checks for a year if he has VERY reduced say so.

my guess is they are just doing him a solid so he doesn't have to look for a job in this pandemic

[Zenzibar]

Will Perrin now select the next coach. We need one in place before the draft.

BTW, Perrin and Scott Perry have worked together in the past.

[thebuzzardman]

he's 100% running the draft...which is what people thought was the main reason Rose kept Perry around.

So basically sounds like Perry is going to be answering phone calls in terms of trades...but he has zero say especially now that we have a draft specialist and a cap specialist for trade scenarios...and a POBO for final say.

That is kind of what I'm saying. Perry is not in charge of the vision anymore. That's Rose and Aller. He's not in charge of the draft anymore. That's Perrin.

He's kind of just doing the legwork on these things..which is what an Assistant GM does.

sounds like they just did him a solid during this COVID in terms of him having too look for another job when he is a vet around the league. Sounds like its we will let you land softly on your feet and you can start looking for other jobs when this pandemic is over.'

But he is not in charge of anything after this.

I'm not against it. Dolan and the Knicks have done enough to build up the "prick" reputation around the league. Anything they do to raise the organization reputation around the league is also helpful.

Mainly though, I just care if they hire people good at basketball organization-ing.

[Gravy]

I have no idea who he is, how should I overreact to this.

Me neither. I'm working on staking out an ill formed opinion I'll defend to the death, though.

I'll wait for the articles on how he is an acquaintance of superstars the Knicks could maybe probably hopefully should wont be able to get.

[thebuzzardman]

I have no idea who he is, how should I overreact to this.

Me neither. I'm working on staking out an ill formed opinion I'll defend to the death, though.

I'll wait for the articles on how he is an acquaintance of superstars the Knicks could maybe probably hopefully should wont be able to get.

Donovan Mitchell to the Knicks!

[mpharris36]

That is kind of what I'm saying. Perry is not in charge of the vision anymore. That's Rose and Aller. He's not in charge of the draft anymore. That's Perrin.

He's kind of just doing the legwork on these things..which is what an Assistant GM does.

sounds like they just did him a solid during this COVID in terms of him having too look for another job when he is a vet around the league. Sounds like its we will let you land softly on your feet and you can start looking for other jobs when this pandemic is over.'

But he is not in charge of anything after this.

I'm not against it. Dolan and the Knicks have done enough to build up the "prick" reputation around the league. Anything they do to raise the organization reputation around the league is also helpful.

Mainly though, I just care if they hire people good at basketball organization-ing.

agreed and now they essentially have fired Mills and removed perry from any decision making who build this horrible roster this year. So I am in favor of that.

[WargamesX]

Just to be clear, Perry is now the Assistant GM, right? If not in title, than function.

Perrin didn't leave his VP post to screen Scottie's emails

he's 100% running the draft...which is what people thought was the main reason Rose kept Perry around.

So basically sounds like Perry is going to be answering phone calls in terms of trades...but he has zero say especially now that we have a draft specialist and a cap specialist for trade scenarios...and a POBO for final say.

We have no evidence of this. We honestly don’t know what/how they are organizing themselves

[F N 11]

Just to be clear, Perry is now the Assistant GM, right? If not in title, than function.

Perrin didn't leave his VP post to screen Scottie's emails

Doesn't mean that's the case. It looks like a lot of teams are expected to lose money because of the pandemic, so who knows what the situation in Utah is going to be. If players salary is seeing a cut then certainly front office guys are going to feel the effects of it too. Perrin might have left simply because the money was on the table for him. With Perry's uncertain future there does seem to be an opportunity there but these guys worked together before and now there are a lot of guys with specific roles to play so I don't think Perrin was brought in to do anything more than what he's specialized in over the years. Rose is assembling a team with guys who are respectable for specific roles, like cap management, player scouting, not sure what Scott Perry specialized in maybe its staying on top of phone calls but ultimately this is how most teams run an organization.

So far Rose seems to be doing the right things and not putting more on one person than they are qualified to do

Fair take

Good point

[WargamesX]

Just to be clear, Perry is now the Assistant GM, right? If not in title, than function.

Perrin didn't leave his VP post to screen Scottie's emails

Doesn't mean that's the case. It looks like a lot of teams are expected to lose money because of the pandemic, so who knows what the situation in Utah is going to be. If players salary is seeing a cut then certainly front office guys are going to feel the effects of it too. Perrin might have left simply because the money was on the table for him. With Perry's uncertain future there does seem to be an opportunity there but these guys worked together before and now there are a lot of guys with specific roles to play so I don't think Perrin was brought in to do anything more than what he's specialized in over the years. Rose is assembling a team with guys who are respectable for specific roles, like cap management, player scouting, not sure what Scott Perry specialized in maybe its staying on top of phone calls but ultimately this is how most teams run an organization.

So far Rose seems to be doing the right things and not putting more on one person than they are qualified to do

Honestly on the low that is a skill. Knicks maneuvers are not leaked to the press as much and he was able to get the Knicks a 1st for Morris quickly. His Rolodex and connections are part of the job.

[F N 11]

Let’s keep in mind Utah developed a style of play. Once we figure that out we should be fine.

[mpharris36]

Just to be clear, Perry is now the Assistant GM, right? If not in title, than function.

Perrin didn't leave his VP post to screen Scottie's emails

he's 100% running the draft...which is what people thought was the main reason Rose kept Perry around.

So basically sounds like Perry is going to be answering phone calls in terms of trades...but he has zero say especially now that we have a draft specialist and a cap specialist for trade scenarios...and a POBO for final say.

We have no evidence of this. We honestly don’t know what/how they are organizing themselves

He ran the draft for the Jazz for nearly 18 years...he is the VP of player personnel...why would he come to the knicks for a secondary role?

Deductive reasoning. Aller is Rose right had guy (will be the soon to be GM, cap guru). Perrin will be there draft guy.

That leaves Perry to picking up phones...

[WargamesX]

he's 100% running the draft...which is what people thought was the main reason Rose kept Perry around.

So basically sounds like Perry is going to be answering phone calls in terms of trades...but he has zero say especially now that we have a draft specialist and a cap specialist for trade scenarios...and a POBO for final say.

We have no evidence of this. We honestly don’t know what/how they are organizing themselves

He ran the draft for the Jazz for nearly 18 years...he is the VP of player personnel...why would he come to the knicks for a secondary role?

Deductive reasoning. Aller is Rose right had guy (will be the soon to be GM, cap guru). Perrin will be there draft guy.

That leaves Perry to picking up phones...

Deductive reasoning is another word for assuming. Perry might be working right alongside Perrin, or he might be told to focus on FA, or Leon might sit his whole staff in a war room and they approach problems like a brain trust. We don’t know. Which is something I like about Leon. He seems like he likes being behind the scenes and keeping his moves/hires/trades out the public eye.

He still hasn’t given a press conference and doesn’t seem to have any plans too. I like that, cause that means he has better things to do than deal with the media and rumors.

[mpharris36]

We have no evidence of this. We honestly don’t know what/how they are organizing themselves

He ran the draft for the Jazz for nearly 18 years...he is the VP of player personnel...why would he come to the knicks for a secondary role?

Deductive reasoning. Aller is Rose right had guy (will be the soon to be GM, cap guru). Perrin will be there draft guy.

That leaves Perry to picking up phones...

Deductive reasoning is another word for assuming. Perry might be working right alongside Perrin, or he might be told to focus on FA, or Leon might sit his whole staff in a war room and they approach problems like a brain trust. We don’t know. Which is something I like about Leon. He seems like he likes being behind the scenes and keeping his moves/hires/trades out the public eye.

He still hasn’t given a press conference and doesn’t seem to have any plans too. I like that, cause that means he has better things to do than deal with the media and rumors.

I mean all of us our making educated guesses since we have no first hand knowledge of the situation.

But when you just picked up a guy option for just this last year...and hired two high ranking official in positions of power. It doesn't bode well for the long term future of Perry. While you say thats assuming...I see the writing on the wall.

[knickstape21]

New blood. I’m excited. I’ll reserve judgement until later.

[Capn'O]

Perrin was VP of player personnel, not V-POBO. Assistant GM is a step up. He's gone from 2nd in his department to admin but Perry is still his boss.

We need to beef up our analytics staff. Hopefully Rose recognizes this. It's a gaping hole in the organization.

[WargamesX]

https://soundcloud.com/officialutahjazz/preparing-for-the-2019-nba-draft-with-jazz-vp-of-player-personnel-walt-perrin

Interview of Walt Perrin talking about his draft process.

[Chanel Bomber]

Perrin was VP of player personnel, not V-POBO. Assistant GM is a step up. He's gone from 2nd in his department to admin but Perry is still his boss.

We need to beef up our analytics staff. Hopefully Rose recognizes this. It's a gaping hole in the organization.

This will not happen.

The Knicks remain the most anti-analytics organization in the NBA and that’s not going to change with the Leon Rose hire, the Knicks keeping Scott Perry around for no apparent reason and all the noise surrounding the potential candidates for the HC job.

Dolan refuses to hire analytics people, and only chooses to hire decision-makers who refuse to embrace analytics. This will not change anytime soon. We’re always playing catch-up, which is why we’ll never win another championship.

This franchise lives in the past.

[Mr Rabbit]

We’ll all hate this guy in 18 months. The cycle continues...Wu-Tang, Wu-Tang.

[bigfnjoe96]

Excellent hire. Things are looking up....

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[knickstape4ever]

I like this; he's seemingly well-respected and is coming from a good, stable organization. but i'll keep my expectations tempered until everything plays out

I'd like to see some of the long-tenured Knicks FO execs—the one's who've lasted multiple regimes—get shown the door