Back Alley brawl: Zion vs McGregor who wins?

[mccluskey]

I guarantee Joanna Jedrezecyzk would be able to beat Zion in a fight

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haaa, come on now - McGregor at least has KO power and is a legit 170 or so. Joanna Champion is skilled as hell but she weighs 130-135 at absolute most and can barely finish anyone in the women's division, let alone versus a man. She's not going to be able to hurt a dude as big as Zion with punches enough to keep him off of her and if he gets hold of her odds are she's done, BJJ or no BJJ. This is the real world we're talking about and you can forget all the stuff you see in movies and comic books - women, even trained professional women, are not going to do well in a fight against a large, powerful male athlete.

everybody saying size and athleticism doesn't matter is crazy - they matter a hell of a lot, especially in a no rules fight. Obviously the biggest factors are going to be training and experience, and I'd put my money on Conor to win 90% of the time, but being huge, strong and fast helps to level the playing field a lot more than you guys think, especially during the first couple of minutes.

[Shock Defeat]

Just because Zion is an athlete doesn't mean he can fight. Matter of fact there's a less chance that he's been in fights considering he's a big guy no one would be dumb enough to cross him. He probably hasn't been in a real fight since he was a little kid. Conor is winning he's trained fighter.

[DevilsAvocado]

In a street fight or back alley brawl what would be both fighters best path to victory?
Zion I imagine he would have to get close enough to get a hold of him to slam him or do something that uses his weight to his advantage or basically knock him out with a power shot.
For McGregor I imagine he would stay on the outside looking for openings to throw punches or kicks to try to chop down the tree using his speed and technique.

In general I tend to side with speed and technique over power. I think the chances of Zion hitting that knock out punch are very very slim. Also with the speed advantage I imagine it would be difficult for Zion to get a good grip on him in a way that McGregor couldn't escape from or even flip to his advantage. He would basically have to charge at McGregor and eat a few shots to get close enough and even then there's no guarantee.

If I had to bet I'd put my money on McGregor.


This reminds me of that time Huerta knocked out that big guy for hitting a girl outside a club.

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[madmaxmedia]

Just because Zion is an athlete doesn't mean he can fight. Matter of fact there's a less chance that he's been in fights considering he's a big guy no one would be dumb enough to cross him. He probably hasn't been in a real fight since he was a little kid. Conor is winning he's trained fighter.

Right. I mean the OP asked what would happened if the 2 fought, and the training, experience, repetition Conor has over Zion is immeasurable. I'm not the biggest Conor fan, but this is the guy who put highly regarded champion Jose Aldo to sleep in 13 seconds. These things don't happen by luck alone. I'm pretty sure Aldo can take a punch better than Zion.

Now if you gave Zion a 1-month training camp with an expert trainer to learn some combat/MMA basics, at the very least Zion would be 1000x better prepared and have some sort of actual strategic/tactical game plan which might actually let him put his size and strength to use. But there's a science to this and Conor has like 5 pHD's compared to non-fighting athletes.

[In SVG We Trust]

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As a muay thai fighter, I can say McGregor chances are very very very low. The weight's divisions exists for a reason. Zion could absorb two strikes of McGregor, go straight to him (he's probably faster running) and demolish the man.

[madmaxmedia]

In a street fight or back alley brawl what would be both fighters best path to victory?
Zion I imagine he would have to get close enough to get a hold of him to slam him or do something that uses his weight to his advantage or basically knock him out with a power shot.
For McGregor I imagine he would stay on the outside looking for openings to throw punches or kicks to try to chop down the tree using his speed and technique.

In general I tend to side with speed and technique over power. I think the chances of Zion hitting that knock out punch are very very slim. Also with the speed advantage I imagine it would be difficult for Zion to get a good grip on him in a way that McGregor couldn't escape from or even flip to his advantage. He would basically have to charge at McGregor and eat a few shots to get close enough and even then there's no guarantee.

Even though Zion is super strong, we have no idea how that translates into his actual punching power. He might naturally hit like Deontay Wilder but it's highly unlikely with no training. It would be like Conor never having played basketball but picking up a ball having a naturally perfect jump shot form.

Zion's best chance at using his strength would be to grab him, but ground game/grappling is a science that requires skill with human anatomy, leverage, etc. Conor's ground game is certainly not his strength, but if Zion lunges at Conor and is able to put his hands on him, it is far more likely that Zion unknowingly exposes himself in a way that Conor uses to his advantage, than Zion puts Conor in some sort of undefeatable hold/choke.

If we learned Zion did years of judo or wrestled on his high school team, that would help Zion a LOT in avoiding the absolute beginner mistakes in a fight. But I doubt he has.

[D.Brasco]

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As a muay thai fighter, I can say McGregor chances are very very very low. The weight's divisions exists for a reason. Zion could absorb two strikes of McGregor, go straight to him (he's probably faster running) and demolish the man.

Is Zion Williamson 420 lbs and literally the strongest human being on the planet? If not I don't see why you think that video is relevant.

Can Zion's knees absorb Conor kicks? Can his neck absorb being choked out.

Do you understand that fighters can absorb strikes better than the average person because they have spent years dealing with the physical and psychological aspect of getting hit?

Even Brock Lesnar a juiced to the gills college wrestler would turtle up after getting hit because he wasn't used to dealing with getting punched with real shots.

Weight divisions exists to separate fighters from each other. Not complete amateurs who may have never thrown a punch in their lives vs high level pros.

[SF_Warriors]

You are absolutely clueless if you don't think conor has an advantage in any fighting situation. Does a dude like zion have a chance, especially in an environment where there may be limited space? Sure..

But think about it this way..let's say we had a 7 foot guy with limited basketball skill but is a pro fighter, goes up against steph curry in a 1v1 game of back alley basketball with let's say no three point line. Who would you bet on winning? 7 foot guy because he is big and an athlete? Yea right..

Folks betting on zion need to understand how much skill plays a big part in sports. Size advantage means NOTHING in a fight if there is a large skill disparity.

Ya'll ever watch that video with shaq and mma fighter where the guy just picks shaq up?

[DevilsAvocado]

In a street fight or back alley brawl what would be both fighters best path to victory?
Zion I imagine he would have to get close enough to get a hold of him to slam him or do something that uses his weight to his advantage or basically knock him out with a power shot.
For McGregor I imagine he would stay on the outside looking for openings to throw punches or kicks to try to chop down the tree using his speed and technique.

In general I tend to side with speed and technique over power. I think the chances of Zion hitting that knock out punch are very very slim. Also with the speed advantage I imagine it would be difficult for Zion to get a good grip on him in a way that McGregor couldn't escape from or even flip to his advantage. He would basically have to charge at McGregor and eat a few shots to get close enough and even then there's no guarantee.

Even though Zion is super strong, we have no idea how that translates into his actual punching power. He might naturally hit like Deontay Wilder but it's highly unlikely with no training. It would be like Conor never having played basketball but picking up a ball having a naturally perfect jump shot form.

Zion's best chance at using his strength would be to grab him, but ground game/grappling is a science that requires skill with human anatomy, leverage, etc. Conor's ground game is certainly not his strength, but if Zion lunges at Conor and is able to put his hands on him, it is far more likely that Zion unknowingly exposes himself in a way that Conor uses to his advantage, than Zion puts Conor in some sort of undefeatable hold/choke.

If we learned Zion did years of judo or wrestled on his high school team, that would help Zion a LOT in avoiding the absolute beginner mistakes in a fight. But I doubt he has.

I don't know why but it kind of feels like you're disagreeing with me but basically repeated what I said.
I guess since it's hard to read tone over the internet maybe I misinterpreted.

[madmaxmedia]

In a street fight or back alley brawl what would be both fighters best path to victory?
Zion I imagine he would have to get close enough to get a hold of him to slam him or do something that uses his weight to his advantage or basically knock him out with a power shot.
For McGregor I imagine he would stay on the outside looking for openings to throw punches or kicks to try to chop down the tree using his speed and technique.

In general I tend to side with speed and technique over power. I think the chances of Zion hitting that knock out punch are very very slim. Also with the speed advantage I imagine it would be difficult for Zion to get a good grip on him in a way that McGregor couldn't escape from or even flip to his advantage. He would basically have to charge at McGregor and eat a few shots to get close enough and even then there's no guarantee.

Even though Zion is super strong, we have no idea how that translates into his actual punching power. He might naturally hit like Deontay Wilder but it's highly unlikely with no training. It would be like Conor never having played basketball but picking up a ball having a naturally perfect jump shot form.

Zion's best chance at using his strength would be to grab him, but ground game/grappling is a science that requires skill with human anatomy, leverage, etc. Conor's ground game is certainly not his strength, but if Zion lunges at Conor and is able to put his hands on him, it is far more likely that Zion unknowingly exposes himself in a way that Conor uses to his advantage, than Zion puts Conor in some sort of undefeatable hold/choke.

If we learned Zion did years of judo or wrestled on his high school team, that would help Zion a LOT in avoiding the absolute beginner mistakes in a fight. But I doubt he has.

I don't know why but it kind of feels like you're disagreeing with me but basically repeated what I said.
I guess since it's hard to read tone over the internet maybe I misinterpreted.

I definitely don't disagree with you, just was adding to what you had said.

I agree that even with his size and strength the chances of Zion landing a big knockout punch are very slim, was just adding that the chances of him being able to out grapple Conor are slim IMO as well, as he is far more likely to expose himself in charging Conor. The inexperience disadvantage here is immense, and much greater than his size/strength advantage IMO.

[madmaxmedia]

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As a muay thai fighter, I can say McGregor chances are very very very low. The weight's divisions exists for a reason. Zion could absorb two strikes of McGregor, go straight to him (he's probably faster running) and demolish the man.

Is Zion Williamson 420 lbs and literally the strongest human being on the planet? If not I don't see why you think that video is relevant.

Can Zion's knees absorb Conor kicks? Can his neck absorb being choked out.

Do you understand that fighters can absorb strikes better than the average person because they have spent years dealing with the physical and psychological aspect of getting hit?

Even Brock Lesnar a juiced to the gills college wrestler would turtle up after getting hit because he wasn't used to dealing with getting punched with real shots.

Weight divisions exists to separate fighters from each other. Not complete amateurs who may have never thrown a punch in their lives vs high level pros.

The comments in that video are funny, it's 2 guys playing around and tells us nothing about what would happen if they really fought. If that dude was say a wrestler or boxer, he would at least have some basic knowledge of how to use his size and strength in a real fight. But he's a strongman and former basketball player, not a fighter. In the vid he's walking straight at Conor because there's no chance of Conor feinting and cracking him in the face.

In a real fight, yeah the Mountain could try to rush Conor and grab ahold of him. But Conor would have sized him up 5 different ways within about 3 seconds, and know how to dodge, feint and exploit Mountain. Straight lunging after your opponent in any combat sport usually doesn't work out very well, even if you have a size or reach advantage.

[tribulations]

how is this even a question? i guess it’s fun lol. anyone who thinks mcgregor wouldn’t crush zion doesn’t understand life. this isn’t debatable

Zero doubt about it, and I'm absolutely not a McGregor fan (apart from when he dismantled Draymond Green on Instagram)


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[D.Brasco]

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As a muay thai fighter, I can say McGregor chances are very very very low. The weight's divisions exists for a reason. Zion could absorb two strikes of McGregor, go straight to him (he's probably faster running) and demolish the man.

Is Zion Williamson 420 lbs and literally the strongest human being on the planet? If not I don't see why you think that video is relevant.

Can Zion's knees absorb Conor kicks? Can his neck absorb being choked out.

Do you understand that fighters can absorb strikes better than the average person because they have spent years dealing with the physical and psychological aspect of getting hit?

Even Brock Lesnar a juiced to the gills college wrestler would turtle up after getting hit because he wasn't used to dealing with getting punched with real shots.

Weight divisions exists to separate fighters from each other. Not complete amateurs who may have never thrown a punch in their lives vs high level pros.

The comments in that video are funny, it's 2 guys playing around and tells us nothing about what would happen if they really fought. If that dude was say a wrestler or boxer, he would at least have some basic knowledge of how to use his size and strength in a real fight. But he's a strongman and former basketball player, not a fighter. In the vid he's walking straight at Conor because there's no chance of Conor feinting and cracking him in the face.

In a real fight, yeah the Mountain could try to rush Conor and grab ahold of him. But Conor would have sized him up 5 different ways within about 3 seconds, and know how to dodge, feint and exploit Mountain. Straight lunging after your opponent in any combat sport usually doesn't work out very well, even if you have a size or reach advantage.

The only edge I'd give Hafthor would be the fact that he is strongest man in the world and conceivably could simply bear hug him to death but yeah in reality Conor would never let him get that close to that and would target any and all weakpoints.

People who don't follow Conor don't realize he is a master of using angles to strike. His only weakness comes from high level wrestlers which Zion and Hafthor are neither. Not to mention a wrestler like Khabib's game-plan resolves around fighting in a cage and using that cage, which a street brawl wouldn't even have.

[In SVG We Trust]

Arguments so laughable. How many of you guys have been in a real fight on the street? How many in a combat sport? I've been in both.

We're not talking about a very big and tall guy of your neighborhood. Of course McGregor could crush your 6'11 300lbs cousin who eats Doritos like's no tomorrow.

We're talking about one of the most physical specimens in the history of basketball, a professional athlete with crazy athletic abilities.

What the hell you talking about angles man? I've trained with people so much bigger than me and you have no chance. The reach, the weight, the strength... It's really really hard to fight against a much bigger opponent.

Of course a heavyweight could fight a superheavyweight, because that strength is enough to fight against any other human. I mean, you realize that any boxer of the heavyweight's top-50 could destroy Mayweather, right?

Because if you don't, please keep talking about basketball and forget about martial arts and fight sports.

[EAS Law]

Arguments so laughable. How many of you guys have been in a real fight on the street? How many in a combat sport? I've been in both.

We're not talking about a very big and tall guy of your neighborhood. Of course McGregor could crush your 6'11 300lbs cousin who eats Doritos like's no tomorrow.

We're talking about one of the most physical specimens in the history of basketball, a professional athlete with crazy athletic abilities.

What the hell you talking about angles man? I've trained with people so much bigger than me and you have no chance. The reach, the weight, the strength... It's really really hard to fight against a much bigger opponent.

Of course a heavyweight could fight a superheavyweight, because that strength is enough to fight against any other human. I mean, you realize that any boxer of the heavyweight's top-50 could destroy Mayweather, right?

Because if you don't, please keep talking about basketball and forget about martial arts and fight sports.

So what determines a street fight now? Vertical leap? Dunk?

Weight divisions matter in sanctioned fights because there has to be a measurable balance in a competitive fight—like rules and structure because it’s a sport or competition, not a fight of actual survival.

You’re talking about someone in Zion that to any of our knowledge, has ZERO experience as a trained fighter. Is his size and weight an advantage? Yes it is. Does CM’s technique and skill give him a sizable advantage as well? Yes it does.

How many examples exist out there of guys in sanctioned fights that are severely outmatched physically and win by knockout or submission? A lot. You’re completely discrediting the fact that CM is still strong in his own right and has years and years of experience.

[In SVG We Trust]

Arguments so laughable. How many of you guys have been in a real fight on the street? How many in a combat sport? I've been in both.

We're not talking about a very big and tall guy of your neighborhood. Of course McGregor could crush your 6'11 300lbs cousin who eats Doritos like's no tomorrow.

We're talking about one of the most physical specimens in the history of basketball, a professional athlete with crazy athletic abilities.

What the hell you talking about angles man? I've trained with people so much bigger than me and you have no chance. The reach, the weight, the strength... It's really really hard to fight against a much bigger opponent.

Of course a heavyweight could fight a superheavyweight, because that strength is enough to fight against any other human. I mean, you realize that any boxer of the heavyweight's top-50 could destroy Mayweather, right?

Because if you don't, please keep talking about basketball and forget about martial arts and fight sports.

So what determines a street fight now? Vertical leap? Dunk?

Weight divisions matter in sanctioned fights because there has to be a measurable balance in a competitive fight—like rules and structure because it’s a sport or competition, not a fight of actual survival.

You’re talking about someone in Zion that to any of our knowledge, has ZERO experience as a trained fighter. Is his size and weight an advantage? Yes it is. Does CM’s technique and skill give him a sizable advantage as well? Yes it does.

How many examples exist out there of guys in sanctioned fights that are severely outmatched physically and win by knockout or submission? A lot. You’re completely discrediting the fact that CM is still strong in his own right and has years and years of experience.

McGregor is not strong man, that's what you can't understand.

If you say who wins, Zion or Overeem, Zion doesn't have a single chance. No way, he would be out in 10 seconds.

I don't think you understand how important the size and weight are in a fight. Specially when the difference is between a regular guy size and a monster.

I mean a heavyweight can knockout another like Fedor won against Hong Man Choi, but that's because Fedor was +100kg and strong enough.

You're talking about a 70kg dude. Seriously, don't debate this, it just makes you look like you have no clue about what you talking.

[rapstarter]

Im curious for those who think Zion could just pick him up and slam him to win. When does he lose that advantage.

155lb champ: Khabib, walks around at 190 pounds (wrestler)
170lb champ: Usman, walks around at 190+ pounds (wrestler)
185lb champ: Israel, walks around at 200+ pounds (kick boxer)
205lb champ: Jon Jones, walks around at 230 pounds (overall fighter really)
HW champ: Stipe, fights anywhere from 230-240 pounds (boxer)

For reference, Conor was the 145 champ and the 155 champ. He has fought at 170 3 times (including his last fight a few months ago) and walks around 175-180 pounds. Just curious when the size advantage that Zion has goes away and when does he lose the ability to just manhandle a fighter.

What if Zion lets himself go and reaches 350lbs

[SF_Warriors]

Arguments so laughable. How many of you guys have been in a real fight on the street? How many in a combat sport? I've been in both.

We're not talking about a very big and tall guy of your neighborhood. Of course McGregor could crush your 6'11 300lbs cousin who eats Doritos like's no tomorrow.

We're talking about one of the most physical specimens in the history of basketball, a professional athlete with crazy athletic abilities.

What the hell you talking about angles man? I've trained with people so much bigger than me and you have no chance. The reach, the weight, the strength... It's really really hard to fight against a much bigger opponent.

Of course a heavyweight could fight a superheavyweight, because that strength is enough to fight against any other human. I mean, you realize that any boxer of the heavyweight's top-50 could destroy Mayweather, right?

Because if you don't, please keep talking about basketball and forget about martial arts and fight sports.

I am willing to bet CM is a much better fighter than you and has faced much tougher opponents than you. Just because you cannot handle bigger fighters that have some type of training does not mean one of the best cannot beat a guy who is bigger but is not a fighter (at least that we know of).

[Egg Nog]

This thread:

"Some of you guys are underrating how much size matters, Zion would obviously win"

"Some of you guys are underrating how much skill matters, Conor would obviously win"

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