Back Alley brawl: Zion vs McGregor who wins?

[HeartBreakKid]

This is actually incredible that people think NBA players can beat up Canelo Alvarez based on size alone.

(Canelo and McGregor the same size. Canelo is the Light-Heavyweight champion of the world, the same title Evander Holyfield and Roy Jones Jr held).

It's actually astonishing. Nearly as embarrassing as asking whether LBJ would dominate Tennis (this was a real thread, lol).


Zion wouldn't even hit nearly as hard as his weight suggest, literally - because he would only throw arm punches. Zion wouldn't use his hips while punching.

[agentofatlas]

Connor takes this via leg lock or choke.

Zion's leg is bigger than whole Conor, he wouldn't lock anything. Conor is like a mosquito compared to him.

Dude, you need to train. Leg locks are the great equalizer in terms of size especially a heel hook. You can't flex it on it like an armbar and can pretty much **** your whole **** up in an instant. Worse of all Zion a bball player, meaning his knee and ankles are **** up already. One good torque with a heel hook would be really bad outcome for him.

Best case scenario is for him to bum rush Connor (but not take him into the ground) and turn it into a slugfest. Problem is, Connor would probably just slip and slide away.

[euroleague]

This is actually incredible that people think NBA players can beat up Canelo Alvarez based on size alone.

(Canelo and McGregor the same size. Canelo is the Light-Heavyweight champion of the world, the same title Evander Holyfield and Roy Jones Jr held).

It's actually astonishing. Nearly as embarrassing as asking whether LBJ would dominate Tennis (this was a real thread, lol).


Zion wouldn't even hit nearly as hard as his weight suggest, literally - because he would only throw arm punches. Zion wouldn't use his hips while punching.

I’d take Zion over Canelo in a second. Boxing isn’t the same as hand to hand fighting with no rules - Zion would just drop him. Weight and size are huge

McGregor I would take, as MMA is far more like street fighting and less about scoring points.

Holyfield was 225 lbs...cruiserweight then heavyweight. Not light heavyweight

[Ryoga Hibiki]

Arguments so laughable. How many of you guys have been in a real fight on the street? How many in a combat sport? I've been in both.

We're not talking about a very big and tall guy of your neighborhood. Of course McGregor could crush your 6'11 300lbs cousin who eats Doritos like's no tomorrow.

We're talking about one of the most physical specimens in the history of basketball, a professional athlete with crazy athletic abilities.

What the hell you talking about angles man? I've trained with people so much bigger than me and you have no chance. The reach, the weight, the strength... It's really really hard to fight against a much bigger opponent.

Of course a heavyweight could fight a superheavyweight, because that strength is enough to fight against any other human. I mean, you realize that any boxer of the heavyweight's top-50 could destroy Mayweather, right?

Because if you don't, please keep talking about basketball and forget about martial arts and fight sports.

People with zero skills?
I can tell you my experience in grappling, as a Judo brown belt and BJJ blue belt who stopped training years ago.
A bigger and muscular guy is a problem for a low skilled guy like myself for the first few minutes. You can't complete almost any move because of the strength difference.
Once you understand that all you have to do is to wait until the guy just loses his power it becomes easy enough to control him. Of course, add ground and pound and it becomes more difficult, but nothing a BJJ brown belt and pro fighter can't handle.

[HeartBreakKid]

This is actually incredible that people think NBA players can beat up Canelo Alvarez based on size alone.

(Canelo and McGregor the same size. Canelo is the Light-Heavyweight champion of the world, the same title Evander Holyfield and Roy Jones Jr held).

It's actually astonishing. Nearly as embarrassing as asking whether LBJ would dominate Tennis (this was a real thread, lol).


Zion wouldn't even hit nearly as hard as his weight suggest, literally - because he would only throw arm punches. Zion wouldn't use his hips while punching.

I’d take Zion over Canelo in a second. Boxing isn’t the same as hand to hand fighting with no rules - Zion would just drop him. Weight and size are huge

McGregor I would take, as MMA is far more like street fighting and less about scoring points.

Holyfield was 225 lbs...cruiserweight then heavyweight. Not light heavyweight

Holyfield started out as a light-heavyweight and was a medalist at the Olympics. He was a tiny heavyweight by his eras standards.

McGregor and Alvarez are not as large as Holyfield, but I am saying that these guys are not insects. There are people in this thread who think McGregor is actually 145 pounds, which is as ignorant as thinking Pro Wrestling is real.

Just looking at the way NBA players fight. I couldn't see someone thinking these guys could beat up Roy Jones Jr in a fight.

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While on the topic of fight footage - we can see that all of these fights end up in clinch or on the ground. Not exactly a good thing for Zion Williamson lol.

[Ryoga Hibiki]

I’d take Zion over Canelo in a second. Boxing isn’t the same as hand to hand fighting with no rules - Zion would just drop him. Weight and size are huge

In a boxing match, Zion would be easily outpointed by a guy with Canelo's size and skills, as a best case scenario.
I see almost zero chances he would be able to hit him clean during a boxing match, assuming he could actually generate enough power to drop him. You probably have no idea how impossible it is to throw a power punch and connect it with a pro boxer. They see it coming 2 seconds before you start thinking of throwing it.

[Lepramaniac]

Wow, some people are really clueless about the human body. It doesn't matter how big you are, if an MMA pro fighter connects a punch to your face, he's going to break your nose. If he connects a clean blow to your head, there's a pretty big chance he knocks you out and if he lands a kick to your knee, he will probably inflict serious damage. Why do some people assume that bigger guys are immune to hits if the are fighting a smaller guy?. They might be able to absorb impact better in the chest or in places where they have a lot of muscle, but their heads and joints are weak spots like everyone's. Zion has no fighting experience whatsoever and doesn't know how to cover in a fight, so there is a pretty big chance that when he tries to goes for a swing or to charge McGregor, he puts his guard down, gets hit in weak spot and the fight is over quickly. Like a lot of people said, weight classes are meant to keep fights fair between Pro fighters, not between a Pro fighter and an amateur. LOL at people thinking that a guy who has no fighting experience can beat one of the best MMA fighters in the world just because he is bigger. Some martial arts were in fact created for this purpose, so that you can defend yourself against bigger opponents or even use their strength against them.

[AussieCeltic]

The people who are saying Zion would win, are the same guys who watch UFC and think they'd be able to last a round in the octagon. I don't think people realize how incredibly skilled and fast these guys are. It's not just throwing punches, but also avoiding them. Zions punch would be so slow and predictable, that someone as fast as Connor would be able to counter easily. I fricken HATE Connor as well.

Zion would destroy him. 155 can't can't fight 285. Especially with a 9" height and reach advantage.

I've seen plenty of big guys get dropped by much smaller guys in my lifetime. Add in the fact that one is a professional fighter and Zion has no chance. It doesn't matter if it's on the street, in a bar or in the octagon, Zion ain't winning.

[Ryoga Hibiki]

Let me add another comment, there's no obvious answer when talking about street fights.
These are not duels, there are not rules. It's not just a matter of "everything goes", but also you can't control how the actual escalation would be. A pro fighter could be sucker punched cold, or he could find himself impeded in his movements while rushed and unable to control the distance, or whatever. It's not something like "let's meet at the middle of the street and start fighting for our lives".
It's much more situational and unpredictable, unless we're talking about absurd situations like Miocic vs myself literally anything can happen.

What people are discussing here is more like a nhb bareknuckle fight on concrete in an open space.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

The people who are saying Zion would win, are the same guys who watch UFC and think they'd be able to last a round in the octagon. I don't think people realize how incredibly skilled and fast these guys are. It's not just throwing punches, but also avoiding them. Zions punch would be so slow and predictable, that someone as fast as Connor would be able to counter easily. I fricken HATE Connor as well.

Zion would destroy him. 155 can't can't fight 285. Especially with a 9" height and reach advantage.

Connor walks around at 175-180lbs.


Also, some of you really need to look up fights from the mid-2000s in Pride, there was 7'2" 364lbs Hong Man Choi, he lost to Fedor (6'0" 236) by submission, the size difference didn't mean a thing when Fedor was on the verge of breaking his arm. He also lost to Crocop (6'2 234lbs) via tko.

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Hong Man Choi had actual training, and was still beaten by guys a foot shorter while outweighing them by 130+ lbs on some nights. Connor is closer in size to Zion than Fedor and Crocop were to Hong but with a much much bigger skill gap in fighting.....

[NoDopeOnSundays]

This is actually incredible that people think NBA players can beat up Canelo Alvarez based on size alone.

(Canelo and McGregor the same size. Canelo is the Light-Heavyweight champion of the world, the same title Evander Holyfield and Roy Jones Jr held).

It's actually astonishing. Nearly as embarrassing as asking whether LBJ would dominate Tennis (this was a real thread, lol).


Zion wouldn't even hit nearly as hard as his weight suggest, literally - because he would only throw arm punches. Zion wouldn't use his hips while punching.

I’d take Zion over Canelo in a second. Boxing isn’t the same as hand to hand fighting with no rules - Zion would just drop him. Weight and size are huge

McGregor I would take, as MMA is far more like street fighting and less about scoring points.

Holyfield was 225 lbs...cruiserweight then heavyweight. Not light heavyweight

I'm really surprised at how many of you think being bigger than someone else means you can just grab them without eating several punches in the process, especially from a boxer. Boxing isn't just about punching, it's the footwork that comes with it, if you think someone untrained can just rush Canelo without him maintaining the distance he wants them at I don't know what to say.

Canelo walks around at nearly 200lbs now, he is a vicious puncher, unless Zion has some wrestling background I dont know about he's not withstanding any type of punch from Canelo while trying to take him to the ground.

[euroleague]

I’d take Zion over Canelo in a second. Boxing isn’t the same as hand to hand fighting with no rules - Zion would just drop him. Weight and size are huge

In a boxing match, Zion would be easily outpointed by a guy with Canelo's size and skills, as a best case scenario.
I see almost zero chances he would be able to hit him clean during a boxing match, assuming he could actually generate enough power to drop him. You probably have no idea how impossible it is to throw a power punch and connect it with a pro boxer. They see it coming 2 seconds before you start thinking of throwing it.

I explicitly responded to the OP, which specifies ‘they meet in a back alley’. In a boxing match, canelo would win in points.

Boxing isn’t the same as meeting in a back alley. A 120 pound, 8 inch height, 12 inch reach deficit or whatever is nothing to sneeze at. Zion would drop him, not using boxing.

Canelo doesn’t have much experience fending off 300 pound, 6’6 athletic freaks trying to steamroll him. You’re bet would be ‘can canelo’s 1-3 landed punches drop/stun zion’. If they can’t, it’s over.

[Ryoga Hibiki]

I’d take Zion over Canelo in a second. Boxing isn’t the same as hand to hand fighting with no rules - Zion would just drop him. Weight and size are huge

In a boxing match, Zion would be easily outpointed by a guy with Canelo's size and skills, as a best case scenario.
I see almost zero chances he would be able to hit him clean during a boxing match, assuming he could actually generate enough power to drop him. You probably have no idea how impossible it is to throw a power punch and connect it with a pro boxer. They see it coming 2 seconds before you start thinking of throwing it.

I explicitly responded to the OP, which specifies ‘they meet in a back alley’. In a boxing match, canelo would win in points.

Boxing isn’t the same as meeting in a back alley. A 120 pound, 8 inch height, 12 inch reach deficit or whatever is nothing to sneeze at. Zion would drop him.

Ok, I misunderstood, sorry.
Not sure what would actually happen, then, because Canelo is actually strong enough to drop a heavyweight charging him head first and we have no knowledge about Zion's chin or ability to shoot.

[euroleague]

This is actually incredible that people think NBA players can beat up Canelo Alvarez based on size alone.

(Canelo and McGregor the same size. Canelo is the Light-Heavyweight champion of the world, the same title Evander Holyfield and Roy Jones Jr held).

It's actually astonishing. Nearly as embarrassing as asking whether LBJ would dominate Tennis (this was a real thread, lol).


Zion wouldn't even hit nearly as hard as his weight suggest, literally - because he would only throw arm punches. Zion wouldn't use his hips while punching.

I’d take Zion over Canelo in a second. Boxing isn’t the same as hand to hand fighting with no rules - Zion would just drop him. Weight and size are huge

McGregor I would take, as MMA is far more like street fighting and less about scoring points.

Holyfield was 225 lbs...cruiserweight then heavyweight. Not light heavyweight

I'm really surprised at how many of you think being bigger than someone else means you can just grab them without eating several punches in the process, especially from a boxer. Boxing isn't just about punching, it's the footwork that comes with it, if you think someone untrained can just rush Canelo without him maintaining the distance he wants them at I don't know what to say.

Canelo walks around at nearly 200lbs now, he is a vicious puncher, unless Zion has some wrestling background I dont know about he's not withstanding any type of punch from Canelo while trying to take him to the ground.

The footwork doesn’t prepare you for getting tackled. Zion’s played football. With his huge reach and weight advantage, he’d go for the takedown.

If you’re far faster, far stronger, far bigger, and have a much longer reach, you can take the other person down.... Canelo probably walks around at 185. Zion at 300.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

I’d take Zion over Canelo in a second. Boxing isn’t the same as hand to hand fighting with no rules - Zion would just drop him. Weight and size are huge

McGregor I would take, as MMA is far more like street fighting and less about scoring points.

Holyfield was 225 lbs...cruiserweight then heavyweight. Not light heavyweight

I'm really surprised at how many of you think being bigger than someone else means you can just grab them without eating several punches in the process, especially from a boxer. Boxing isn't just about punching, it's the footwork that comes with it, if you think someone untrained can just rush Canelo without him maintaining the distance he wants them at I don't know what to say.

Canelo walks around at nearly 200lbs now, he is a vicious puncher, unless Zion has some wrestling background I dont know about he's not withstanding any type of punch from Canelo while trying to take him to the ground.

The footwork doesn’t prepare you for getting tackled. Zion’s played football. With his huge reach and weight advantage, he’d go for the takedown.

If you’re far faster, far stronger, far bigger, and have a much longer reach, you can take the other person down.... Canelo probably walks around at 185. Zion at 300.

Are they on a football field or something? Most people who haven't wrestled don't know how to go for take downs, and since you mentioned football players there's plenty of videos of them getting beat up online too

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Most people don't have an instinct to go for takedowns in fights, even NFL guys are all over youtube throwing wild haymakers rather than tackling people, because most people resort to throwing wide looping punches.

Oscar is quoted as saying Canelo walked around at 190, that was before he made the move to light heavyweight too. Zion isn't 300lbs, his playing weight and his walk around weight are one in the same. Canelo would put Zion to sleep or break his ribs when he tries to grab him. I'll ask again, what is the cutoff? Prime Mike Tyson was 5'10" 215-220lbs, Canelo walks around at 5'9" 200lbs, do you think Zion would beat prime Mike Tyson, if the answer is no then why then do you think he would beat Canelo?

[Pg81]

I am utterly dumbfounded at how lopsided this is for in favor of McGreror. Do people not realize Zion is twice his size and literately a walking slab of muscle?

Meet Senchai:

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This guy has fought against a lot of opponents of higher weight classes on purpose and won a good chunk of them, himself being around 150 pound heavy. Reminder this against fellow professionals not untrained chumps like Zion. A lot of the clips show him against people who are taller, heavier and have better reach and he still beats them.
I think you are underestimating the massive difference in experience and professionalism. Not saying that McGregor wins definitely but a lot has to go for Zion to win this while McGregor needs one good punch to a weak spot and it is over.

[JN61]

I'm sorry but nobody will win a fight Vs professional fighter. Zion would cry for momma before the fight starts and rightly so.

[koningcosmo]

people act like zion wouldnt be pumped with adrenaline not knowing what he is doing swinging his arms around, no he is trained for the situation immediatly recognised that connor is a proffesional MMA fighter who he needs to tackle down and shouldnt go in a brawl with. Its not like the bigger guy with the adreneline rush clearly thinks he can easily beat the smaller opponement, only to realise he just got a haymaker on his nose and is already lying down with a broken nose becasue connor is actually a proffesional fighter who knows what he is doing.

if people dont realise how stupid this all sounds, its same as saying some 7ft + guy will be better in basketball then zion because he is 7ft, there is no skill involved right?

[BigShaq34]

Im bored which is why im comnenting but some of you here have way too much time on your hands. Waste of a thread.

[Bigfactsstackz]

People now comparing boxing to street fighting

Zion would most likely body slam Connor if he can get a hold of him

And there’s so many factors in street fights.. Are they Squaring up?or does someone throw a sneak punch in before the other is ready ? That can change the entire dynamic in a fight.