Back Alley brawl: Zion vs McGregor who wins?

[euroleague]

I'm really surprised at how many of you think being bigger than someone else means you can just grab them without eating several punches in the process, especially from a boxer. Boxing isn't just about punching, it's the footwork that comes with it, if you think someone untrained can just rush Canelo without him maintaining the distance he wants them at I don't know what to say.

Canelo walks around at nearly 200lbs now, he is a vicious puncher, unless Zion has some wrestling background I dont know about he's not withstanding any type of punch from Canelo while trying to take him to the ground.

The footwork doesn’t prepare you for getting tackled. Zion’s played football. With his huge reach and weight advantage, he’d go for the takedown.

If you’re far faster, far stronger, far bigger, and have a much longer reach, you can take the other person down.... Canelo probably walks around at 185. Zion at 300.

Are they on a football field or something? Most people who haven't wrestled don't know how to go for take downs, and since you mentioned football players there's plenty of videos of them getting beat up online too

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Most people don't have an instinct to go for takedowns in fights, even NFL guys are all over youtube throwing wild haymakers rather than tackling people, because most people resort to throwing wide looping punches.

Oscar is quoted as saying Canelo walked around at 190, that was before he made the move to light heavyweight too. Zion isn't 300lbs, his playing weight and his walk around weight are one in the same. Canelo would put Zion to sleep or break his ribs when he tries to grab him. I'll ask again, what is the cutoff? Prime Mike Tyson was 5'10" 215-220lbs, Canelo walks around at 5'9" 200lbs, do you think Zion would beat prime Mike Tyson, if the answer is no then why then do you think he would beat Canelo?

Zion was 285 when he was cutting weight, pre-injury. He’s big.

Mike Tyson walked around at 250. He competed at 220. mike Tyson would destroy Canelo. I don’t even remotely see the point of the ‘if mike Tyson could beat him, so could Canelo’.

Tyson was power incarnate. One punch king. I said ‘if you can take zion out/drop him with 1-3 punches, you’ll win’. Then you bring up mike Tyson?

That wasn’t a real fight. Football athletes don’t fight seriously with random people on the street

[In SVG We Trust]

Seriously, we're not talking about an average NBA player. Have you seen Zion play? He goes through A LOT OF CONTACT of guys who weights McGregor's twice.

Stop this nonsense. Fedor was a heavyweight, he would ate McGregor in a round.

I mean, Yao Ming doesn't have a single possibility against Tyson Fury. That's because Tyson Fury is STRONG enough to knockout everyone on the earth. McGregor isn't.

[bearadonisdna]

Let me add another comment, there's no obvious answer when talking about street fights.
These are not duels, there are not rules. It's not just a matter of "everything goes", but also you can't control how the actual escalation would be. A pro fighter could be sucker punched cold, or he could find himself impeded in his movements while rushed and unable to control the distance, or whatever. It's not something like "let's meet at the middle of the street and start fighting for our lives".
It's much more situational and unpredictable, unless we're talking about absurd situations like Miocic vs myself literally anything can happen.

What people are discussing here is more like a nhb bareknuckle fight on concrete in an open space.

Basically i feel a backalley fight ts to uncontrolled to make an affirmative determination.

In a more controlled enviroment like the octagon im choosing mcgregor. A fighter without training imo would not be able to win a professional match vs an elite professional fighter.

Now zion with 3-5 months of training would be a harder comparison. Some added skill to equation helps in zion favor but he still trumped in skill and experience.

[koningcosmo]

People now comparing boxing to street fighting

Zion would most likely body slam Connor if he can get a hold of him

And there’s so many factors in street fights.. Are they Squaring up?or does someone throw a sneak punch in before the other is ready ? That can change the entire dynamic in a fight.

because worldstar if full of fights of people slamming the other to the ground instead of trading punches. Most street fights dont even have people kicking each other let alone body slaming like its WWE.

so an untrained zion immediatly knows he is facing an MMA star in connor and realises he should go and grab him instead of fighting him? That is the natural reaction people think zion will have when getting in a fight? in a back alley fight the bigger zion would think he has the upper hand so it ends in a brawl we all know who is winning that.

[koningcosmo]

The footwork doesn’t prepare you for getting tackled. Zion’s played football. With his huge reach and weight advantage, he’d go for the takedown.

If you’re far faster, far stronger, far bigger, and have a much longer reach, you can take the other person down.... Canelo probably walks around at 185. Zion at 300.

Are they on a football field or something? Most people who haven't wrestled don't know how to go for take downs, and since you mentioned football players there's plenty of videos of them getting beat up online too

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Most people don't have an instinct to go for takedowns in fights, even NFL guys are all over youtube throwing wild haymakers rather than tackling people, because most people resort to throwing wide looping punches.

Oscar is quoted as saying Canelo walked around at 190, that was before he made the move to light heavyweight too. Zion isn't 300lbs, his playing weight and his walk around weight are one in the same. Canelo would put Zion to sleep or break his ribs when he tries to grab him. I'll ask again, what is the cutoff? Prime Mike Tyson was 5'10" 215-220lbs, Canelo walks around at 5'9" 200lbs, do you think Zion would beat prime Mike Tyson, if the answer is no then why then do you think he would beat Canelo?

Zion was 285 when he was cutting weight, pre-injury. He’s big.

Mike Tyson walked around at 250. He competed at 220. mike Tyson would destroy Canelo. I don’t even remotely see the point of the ‘if mike Tyson could beat him, so could Canelo’.

Tyson was power incarnate. One punch king. I said ‘if you can take zion out/drop him with 1-3 punches, you’ll win’. Then you bring up mike Tyson?

That wasn’t a real fight. Football athletes don’t fight seriously with random people on the street

whatever you need to prove your point the dudes get knocked out and you think he was playing around??? you think he wasnt serious after getting hit in the face??? come on now he tried very hard and got KO'd

[TheChaser]

Training, instinct, and experience matter A LOT. Since Zion isn't a "fighter", it's likely that everything would be a super fast blur to him, while for Connor fighting is like a chess match where everything is slowed down. McGregor ftw

[Jay 20]

Wow a topic that isn't debatable has made it 19 pages!

McGregor would win.

[KGtabake]

Only Rodman and Oakley stand a chance and that's only because they don't have the brain cells to realize the danger and don't care either way.

[HeartBreakKid]

People now comparing boxing to street fighting

Zion would most likely body slam Connor if he can get a hold of him

And there’s so many factors in street fights.. Are they Squaring up?or does someone throw a sneak punch in before the other is ready ? That can change the entire dynamic in a fight.

What do you mean he will just body slam him? Like Hulk Hogan vs Andre the Giant?

Assuming you're an average size fellow - walk down to your local university and try body slamming a small D1 wrestler, let me know how that goes.

Khabib couldn't even take down McGregor 100% of the time. You think Zion is just going to be able to throw him on the floor willy nilly, and even if he did - if McGregor doesn't get KO'd from it then he's going to submit or sweep Zion in a few seconds.

[Bergmaniac]

I didn't know RealGM had so many experts on back alley fighting.

[E-Balla]

Not sure if someone posted this before

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As a muay thai fighter, I can say McGregor chances are very very very low. The weight's divisions exists for a reason. Zion could absorb two strikes of McGregor, go straight to him (he's probably faster running) and demolish the man.

Zion is not even in the same realm of size next to the mountain, that said if they went a few more rounds, I'm quite sure McGregor would of tired him out.

Exactly, he's like 450+ lbs. The gap between him and Zion is bigger than the gap between Zion and Conor.

[In SVG We Trust]

People now comparing boxing to street fighting

Zion would most likely body slam Connor if he can get a hold of him

And there’s so many factors in street fights.. Are they Squaring up?or does someone throw a sneak punch in before the other is ready ? That can change the entire dynamic in a fight.

What do you mean he will just body slam him? Like Hulk Hogan vs Andre the Giant?

Assuming you're an average size fellow - walk down to your local university and try body slamming a small D1 wrestler, let me know how that goes.

Khabib couldn't even take down McGregor 100% of the time. You think Zion is just going to be able to throw him on the floor willy nilly, and even if he did - if McGregor doesn't get KO'd from it then he's going to submit or sweep Zion in a few seconds.

Assuming you're one of the most athletic players in a sports history, a sports who basically is played by giants with crazy physical atributes.

Guys, you're shaming yourselves everytime you're comparing a regular big guy with Zion Williamson. It's not your 6'8" fatass cousin who plays Fortnite, it's a guy with a legendary strength in a sports who's played by the tallest people in the world.

Don't you realize how PATHETIC you sound when comparing McGregor to another heavyweight fighters? McGregor would be murdered by Mark Hunt or Chuck Lidell. I mean, literally murdered.

[cdubbz]

How many beers does Connor McGregor need to chug in order for Zion to have a chance?

[Pinpilinpauxa]

I'll tell you the much more likely scenario is Zion ends up passed out on the ground from a choke or on the ground in pain from a broken arm.

The true weight cancelation is BJJ. My guess is Conor would throw some kicks and try and keep separation, but the second Zion throws an off balanced punch, Conor probably just grabs him and it's game over. Conor is a Brown Belt in BJJ, a Brown belt submits someone with no BJJ training with ease very quickly.

This. Ground fighting is not natural without the proper BJJ/Grappling training so heel hooking Zion would be easy for any brown belt in Bjj (not if you are trained in Gracie Barra lol )

[EAS Law]

Arguments so laughable. How many of you guys have been in a real fight on the street? How many in a combat sport? I've been in both.

We're not talking about a very big and tall guy of your neighborhood. Of course McGregor could crush your 6'11 300lbs cousin who eats Doritos like's no tomorrow.

We're talking about one of the most physical specimens in the history of basketball, a professional athlete with crazy athletic abilities.

What the hell you talking about angles man? I've trained with people so much bigger than me and you have no chance. The reach, the weight, the strength... It's really really hard to fight against a much bigger opponent.

Of course a heavyweight could fight a superheavyweight, because that strength is enough to fight against any other human. I mean, you realize that any boxer of the heavyweight's top-50 could destroy Mayweather, right?

Because if you don't, please keep talking about basketball and forget about martial arts and fight sports.

So what determines a street fight now? Vertical leap? Dunk?

Weight divisions matter in sanctioned fights because there has to be a measurable balance in a competitive fight—like rules and structure because it’s a sport or competition, not a fight of actual survival.

You’re talking about someone in Zion that to any of our knowledge, has ZERO experience as a trained fighter. Is his size and weight an advantage? Yes it is. Does CM’s technique and skill give him a sizable advantage as well? Yes it does.

How many examples exist out there of guys in sanctioned fights that are severely outmatched physically and win by knockout or submission? A lot. You’re completely discrediting the fact that CM is still strong in his own right and has years and years of experience.

McGregor is not strong man, that's what you can't understand.

If you say who wins, Zion or Overeem, Zion doesn't have a single chance. No way, he would be out in 10 seconds.

I don't think you understand how important the size and weight are in a fight. Specially when the difference is between a regular guy size and a monster.

I mean a heavyweight can knockout another like Fedor won against Hong Man Choi, but that's because Fedor was +100kg and strong enough.

You're talking about a 70kg dude. Seriously, don't debate this, it just makes you look like you have no clue about what you talking.

It’s a topic that we could debate forever until or unless such a situation actually occurred.

I understand you have experience as a Muy Tai fighter—I have experience as a wrestler. I know exactly what I’m talking about. I’ve seen and been involved in practices and training sessions where experience and technique won over shear size and strength many times. Sure it went the other way too, but you’re trying to argue that it’s impossible to overcome a size advantage. Especially in your discipline, I’m surprised that your stance is basically that the bigger guy always wins. There are so many ways to get around that—leg sweeps, attacks to the knees and torso, submissions—it isn’t a sanctioned boxing match we are talking about.

And I’m sorry man, but your arrogance in your posts is incredible. The only point you’re making that is accurate is that Zion is a giant—as in, he’s tall. You then jump to compare how CM would get destroyed by other elite professional fighters that are way out of his weight class—well yeah, of course—Zion is not an elite fighter. Zion has zero training as a fighter. He jumps high and is really tall. You also say “legendary strength” wtf are you talking about? Compared to what or whom? I’d suggest getting off your high horse because you recreationally go to a kickboxing gym.

[oaktownwarriors87]

The people who are saying Zion would win, are the same guys who watch UFC and think they'd be able to last a round in the octagon. I don't think people realize how incredibly skilled and fast these guys are. It's not just throwing punches, but also avoiding them. Zions punch would be so slow and predictable, that someone as fast as Connor would be able to counter easily. I fricken HATE Connor as well.

Zion would destroy him. 155 can't can't fight 285. Especially with a 9" height and reach advantage.

Connor walks around at 175-180lbs.


Also, some of you really need to look up fights from the mid-2000s in Pride, there was 7'2" 364lbs Hong Man Choi, he lost to Fedor (6'0" 236) by submission, the size difference didn't mean a thing when Fedor was on the verge of breaking his arm. He also lost to Crocop (6'2 234lbs) via tko.

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Hong Man Choi had actual training, and was still beaten by guys a foot shorter while outweighing them by 130+ lbs on some nights. Connor is closer in size to Zion than Fedor and Crocop were to Hong but with a much much bigger skill gap in fighting.....

McGreggor is a striker that uses his length. He's not a grappler and he's not in the same wheelhouse strength wise, and he'd be at a 9" disadvantage.

Zion makes the worlds best athletes look ordinary.

Don't give me a striker to do a grapplers job.

[Pinpilinpauxa]

McGreggor is a striker that uses his length. He's not a grappler and he's not in the same wheelhouse strength wise, and he'd be at a 9" disadvantage.

Zion makes the worlds best athletes look ordinary.

Don't give me a striker to do a grapplers job.

Mc Greggor is a Bjj brown belt; for a Bjj brown belt even a good blue belt is very easy subbmiting a much stronger dudde.
Yes Zion is not an average joe but neither is Mc Greggor. Mc Greggor would destroy Zion i mean you have to be very coordinated to punch a top MMA fighter, i dont think a guy who cant even score a 65% of his free throws would be able to punch or kick a top mma fighter without trainning.

When i was a white belt i fought a profesional mma fighter in the white belt finals, i lasted 1 minute. MMA fighters train everything even the best strikers like Mc Greggor and are mutch better in grappling than their belt in Bjj.

[Harcore Fenton Mun]

I know he's not a pro fighter, But we're talking about a world class athlete. Not a world class athlete "only" at the 170lb mark.

When a 170 lb man fights a 270+ lb man, the smaller guy next to never wins. That's why they have weight divisions, because the smaller guys leaves with brain injury far too frequently.

[Braggins]

I'm not taking a stance either way (I think its far more complicated than a lot of people are admitting), but I just wanted to point out that in almost all the examples people are using of a big guy getting beat by a smaller guy, the big dudes are nowhere near in the same realm as Zion on both size/strength and athleticism. Its mostly guys that aren't nearly as big or athletic, or if they are as big or bigger they are complete stiffs or literally fat ass sumo wrestlers.

The only two I've seen that are actually comparable are the Mountain, who admittedly for this discussion is in a whole other realm above Zion due to absolutely otherworldly size and strength, and old Bob Sapp.

Bob Sapp is comparable in size/strength, but not as athletic overall and didn't get into fighting until after his prime and he still managed to be pretty successful winning some matches against good pro fighters in actual MMA fights.

Brock Lesnar managed to become a UFC champion fairly easily without hardly any skills just based on being a giant freak. To be fair, he was a good amateur wrestler, which is a big advantage over someone with no experience in any combat sport like Zion, but it still goes to show how far you can get just by being a giant freak and steamrolling people, and that was in actual MMA fights with rules and restrictions against guys comparable in size who absolutely had the power to hurt him with any blow, as opposed to a smaller guy who really needs to land a clean punch to head to hurt a giant freak.

[agentofatlas]

I know he's not a pro fighter, But we're talking about a world class athlete. Not a world class athlete "only" at the 170lb mark.

When a 170 lb man fights a 270+ lb man, the smaller guy next to never wins. That's why they have weight divisions, because the smaller guys leaves with brain injury far too frequently.

Weight divisions exists when it's trained vs trained. Vs an untrained individual the equation changes. Zions best case scenario is to bum rush Connor and just have some self control that in does not go into the ground where his advantages disappear. Also please note that Zion while a first class athlete, had already major surgeries on his legs. Dude been playing basketball all his life and pretty sure those ligaments aren't in the best of shape. A heel hook would maim him.