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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#441 » by threrf23 » Sat May 16, 2020 5:11 am

Cuban Pete wrote: That said, NEVER look at 3pt% at the college level. If you want to accurately judge shooting among wing prospects, look for FT% and 3pt attempts per 100 pos (min of 8). All of the best shooters in the NBA have great FT% and lots of 3pt attempts. College 3s are different from NCAA and 3pt% alone doesn't translate into the NBA. IMO, shooting is 90% of the sport in the NBA. Team eFG% has a strong correlation to winning in the NBA.


The best three point shooters also tend to be good if not elite free throw shooters, but it doesn't always work the other way around, and there are always exceptions. Paul Pierce for example was a 60% FT shooter his freshman year. Joe Harris shot 64% from the line his senior year, 72% over his four years. Paul George, Kawhi, Kerry Kittles, Jason Kapono? Around 70% freshman year. Marvin Williams, Francisco Garcia, Ben McLemore, Robbie Hummel, Salim Stoudamire, Melo Trimble, and lots of other fringe prospects - they all shot 85% or better freshman year.

Logic follows that a player's ability to hit non-defended shots in practice or from the free throw line speaks little to his ability to hit shots in real game situations.

If I am going to nitpick you more - three pointers made per minute or possession tells us more than three pointer taken. Obviously. 3 Point % is clearly meaningful too, even if it means little without quantity. And while the college 3 might be shorter than the NBA 3, many if not most underclassmen lack the lower body strength they need to hit consistently hit the NBA three.

Lessons I've learned in NCAA statistical analysis: upperclassmen who can drain the trey are dime a dozen, underclassmens' stats mean more, particularly where they lack an NBA body; three point shooting is a skill that players often continue to develop throughout their twenties, as long as a prospect meets a minimal threshold, there is always the potential to become a good or at least serviceable three point shooter; and in between minimal and elite thresholds, I would actually look to rebounding (relative to size and context) to better determine a player's prospects as a shooter, for the simple reason that it tends to speak to a player's true potential.

Elaborating, there are skills, like shooting for example, that players continue to develop and refine throughout their careers. But rebounding is much simpler, it merely requires effort, focus, fundamentals, instincts, awareness, etc. A player who has those things is more likely to maximize his potential across the board.
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#442 » by Cuban Pete » Sat May 16, 2020 5:13 am

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Homerclease wrote:If our title hopes rest on guys like Semi, Kanter and Wanamaker then we aren’t anywhere close to a title. Semi was barely in the rotation as is, Wanamaker is extremely replaceable and they can use the MLE to replace Kanter along with internal growth from Williams x2 and even Fall. I was ready to move on from Wanamaker to Waters last year. Absolutely no problem doing it this year.

I don’t mind the picks and prospects because I view this teams window as still a year or two away when Tatum and Brown reach their primes. Hopefully come that time, Hayward and Kemba still have some left in the tank and the youth that the Celtics have develop into productive players or develop enough trade value to add a missing piece.


I'm not going to talk about Fall because I think I have quite a bad opinion of him in terms of ever contributing anything in a playoff atmosphere.

Water falls in the rookie phenomenon: meaning it was amazing when he did good but its flaws were ignored or at least softened by the fact he was a rookie. It happened the same with Tatum and basically all new players in the league.

I just feel like Wannamaker, Kanter, Semi + two veterans are enough for playoff runs. Specially Semi. This will be his 4th year on the league and he knows the system. There's plenty of worse guys that could take the 10th spot.

You're telling me that something like Wannamaker + Reddick + Semi + Marvin Williams + Baynes/Kanter is not a playoff bench? The Warriors basically won 3 chips with no players better than this ones on their bench. I just don't understand what'd you want out of our bench? Lou Will?

We have plenty of powerhouse in our starting unit, we don't need and can't afford anymore than suggested.

Personally, I just don't think there aren't any prospects worth spending a 1st rounder that are going to be high contributors in 2 years time when our players hit their ceiling as a unit. That's why I am embracing to at least trade 2 out of the 3 to get veteran help.

That’s fine with your take on Fall, he’s a long shot absolutely but the coaching staff and front office have seemed to deem it worthy to take a flier on him. I think he can handle the Poirier towel waver emergency big role just fine.

Waters should get better in years two, three and four which is why I want him to stick around. Personally I think he’s equal to, if not better than Wanamaker as it stands right now, Nevermind 2-3 years down the line which is what the team should be building toward IMO.

They have enough for playoff runs now, but likely second round or ECF exits. I’m not anywhere near as high on our current vets as you. Kanter showed well for himself in the postseason with Portland, would like to see if that’s a fluke or not. He’s a lesser Greg Monroe to me, who was pretty damn good here in his first stint and totally unplayable in the postseason. Semi is barely worthy of holding a spot on an NBA roster much less being in a playoff rotation. The sooner he’s gone the better. I suppose they have the MLE to sign a vet, any other one is coming at the vet minimum and I’m not sure there’s someone out there that caliber that I’d want over the young guys they currently have.

Reddick and Marvin Williams would be nice, they are short term answers though for a team that’s not quite ready to compete at the highest level. The other guys shouldn’t be in playoff rotation at all IMO. The difference between this team and a team like the Warriors is their top end talent was far superior at this juncture than the Celtics. Tatums Star is on the rise, but to compare him to Curry at this point is a disservice. Throw in Klay, Green, Iggy and at the time Barnes and you see where I’m going. The team needs Tatum and Brown to keep getting better while Kemba and Hayward maintain their current level for at least another 3 years.

Agreed we are fine with the starting 5. I’m looking for role players and raw guys with super high ceilings. A few examples would be a 3 point specialist like a Vassell or an athletic freak like Patrick Williams.

I think trading picks for vets is premature at this point, we aren’t quite in a position to go all in for a short term move like that yet. Keep building the roster as a whole and hope to strike gold with a guy who can either help push you over the top or shows enough promise to trade for someone to push you over the top.

Right now, without signing anyone my bench next year would be Robert Williams, Grant Williams, Romeo Langford, Marcus Smart and Tremont Waters. I’m all for throwing the MLE at Harry Giles and if the team comes out of the draft with Vassell, Patrick Williams and another PG to round out the roster I’d be quite pleased




Wanamaker is just another sign of Ainge's incompetence. On the surface he looks like a terrific find. Using his 2019-20 numbers, he LEADS the NBA with a 93.1 FT%, has a great 2.7 steal rate, is a decent enough passer. Here's where it gets ugly. He has a career .380 3pt% but only takes 3.6 3ptA/100 pos. This is reflected in his putrid 15.4 usage rate. In a 2pt loss to the LAL (18 min 2 pts). In a 1 point loss to Houston (13 min 2 pts). He's gun shy and at 30, don't expect him to get better. Yet, Danny loves him. He never considered trading for a better 3-guard when there were some available - Alec Burks, Jordan McRae. After the trade deadline, Danny hid behind a Pitino-esque straw man "it's hard to make a trade involving 3-4 teams". What does that have to do with Burks and McRae?



There's a dirty little secret about Kanter. Before his injury, he was the second most valuable player on the Celtics. His great rebounding skills masked a dramatic decline in team shooting:

Celtics eFG% ranking
2018-19 (6th)
2019-20 (17th)

Celtics 3pt Attempt Rate
2018-19 (9th)
2019-20 (14th)

Celtics Offensive Rebounding (ORB%)
2018-19 (24th)
2019-20 (7th)

Horford's departure was a crushing blow. His ability to set up good 3pt attempts for his teammates is sorely missed.

One player I really liked in the 2016 draft was Fred VanVleet. He was a senior (true age), yet he was great in ALL of his seasons at Wichita St. When scouting upper classmen, it's important to look at production in their early seasons. FVV went undrafted and was picked up by the Raptors. After winning a ring as the Raptors 3-guard, he was awarded an extension. His overall numbers have been great in the NBA. Moral of the story... stop making excuses about the draft, and, I don't know, maybe, draft better? That starts with properly scouting players. Hint - if you suck as a freshman, regardless of high school recruit ranking, no GM worth his salt would have you on his board. I won't mention names because it wouldn't be fair to players of this type - like Romeo Langford and James Young.
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#443 » by bucknersrevenge » Sat May 16, 2020 11:31 am

Cuban Pete wrote:
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I'm not going to talk about Fall because I think I have quite a bad opinion of him in terms of ever contributing anything in a playoff atmosphere.

Water falls in the rookie phenomenon: meaning it was amazing when he did good but its flaws were ignored or at least softened by the fact he was a rookie. It happened the same with Tatum and basically all new players in the league.

I just feel like Wannamaker, Kanter, Semi + two veterans are enough for playoff runs. Specially Semi. This will be his 4th year on the league and he knows the system. There's plenty of worse guys that could take the 10th spot.

You're telling me that something like Wannamaker + Reddick + Semi + Marvin Williams + Baynes/Kanter is not a playoff bench? The Warriors basically won 3 chips with no players better than this ones on their bench. I just don't understand what'd you want out of our bench? Lou Will?

We have plenty of powerhouse in our starting unit, we don't need and can't afford anymore than suggested.

Personally, I just don't think there aren't any prospects worth spending a 1st rounder that are going to be high contributors in 2 years time when our players hit their ceiling as a unit. That's why I am embracing to at least trade 2 out of the 3 to get veteran help.

That’s fine with your take on Fall, he’s a long shot absolutely but the coaching staff and front office have seemed to deem it worthy to take a flier on him. I think he can handle the Poirier towel waver emergency big role just fine.

Waters should get better in years two, three and four which is why I want him to stick around. Personally I think he’s equal to, if not better than Wanamaker as it stands right now, Nevermind 2-3 years down the line which is what the team should be building toward IMO.

They have enough for playoff runs now, but likely second round or ECF exits. I’m not anywhere near as high on our current vets as you. Kanter showed well for himself in the postseason with Portland, would like to see if that’s a fluke or not. He’s a lesser Greg Monroe to me, who was pretty damn good here in his first stint and totally unplayable in the postseason. Semi is barely worthy of holding a spot on an NBA roster much less being in a playoff rotation. The sooner he’s gone the better. I suppose they have the MLE to sign a vet, any other one is coming at the vet minimum and I’m not sure there’s someone out there that caliber that I’d want over the young guys they currently have.

Reddick and Marvin Williams would be nice, they are short term answers though for a team that’s not quite ready to compete at the highest level. The other guys shouldn’t be in playoff rotation at all IMO. The difference between this team and a team like the Warriors is their top end talent was far superior at this juncture than the Celtics. Tatums Star is on the rise, but to compare him to Curry at this point is a disservice. Throw in Klay, Green, Iggy and at the time Barnes and you see where I’m going. The team needs Tatum and Brown to keep getting better while Kemba and Hayward maintain their current level for at least another 3 years.

Agreed we are fine with the starting 5. I’m looking for role players and raw guys with super high ceilings. A few examples would be a 3 point specialist like a Vassell or an athletic freak like Patrick Williams.

I think trading picks for vets is premature at this point, we aren’t quite in a position to go all in for a short term move like that yet. Keep building the roster as a whole and hope to strike gold with a guy who can either help push you over the top or shows enough promise to trade for someone to push you over the top.

Right now, without signing anyone my bench next year would be Robert Williams, Grant Williams, Romeo Langford, Marcus Smart and Tremont Waters. I’m all for throwing the MLE at Harry Giles and if the team comes out of the draft with Vassell, Patrick Williams and another PG to round out the roster I’d be quite pleased




Wanamaker is just another sign of Ainge's incompetence. On the surface he looks like a terrific find. Using his 2019-20 numbers, he LEADS the NBA with a 93.1 FT%, has a great 2.7 steal rate, is a decent enough passer. Here's where it gets ugly. He has a career .380 3pt% but only takes 3.6 3ptA/100 pos. This is reflected in his putrid 15.4 usage rate. In a 2pt loss to the LAL (18 min 2 pts). In a 1 point loss to Houston (13 min 2 pts). He's gun shy and at 30, don't expect him to get better. Yet, Danny loves him. He never considered trading for a better 3-guard when there were some available - Alec Burks, Jordan McRae. After the trade deadline, Danny hid behind a Pitino-esque straw man "it's hard to make a trade involving 3-4 teams". What does that have to do with Burks and McRae?



There's a dirty little secret about Kanter. Before his injury, he was the second most valuable player on the Celtics. His great rebounding skills masked a dramatic decline in team shooting:

Celtics eFG% ranking
2018-19 (6th)
2019-20 (17th)

Celtics 3pt Attempt Rate
2018-19 (9th)
2019-20 (14th)

Celtics Offensive Rebounding (ORB%)
2018-19 (24th)
2019-20 (7th)

Horford's departure was a crushing blow. His ability to set up good 3pt attempts for his teammates is sorely missed.

One player I really liked in the 2016 draft was Fred VanVleet. He was a senior (true age), yet he was great in ALL of his seasons at Wichita St. When scouting upper classmen, it's important to look at production in their early seasons. FVV went undrafted and was picked up by the Raptors. After winning a ring as the Raptors 3-guard, he was awarded an extension. His overall numbers have been great in the NBA. Moral of the story... stop making excuses about the draft, and, I don't know, maybe, draft better? That starts with properly scouting players. Hint - if you suck as a freshman, regardless of high school recruit ranking, no GM worth his salt would have you on his board. I won't mention names because it wouldn't be fair to players of this type - like Romeo Langford and James Young.


What a bizarre argument. Ridiculing the 8th (at best) man in the rotation who happens to lead the league in FT shooting, has a solid steal rate and is generally a serviceable veteran player. Hey I have my issues with Wanamaker and it's my belief that he won't be back next year. I think you're mistaking incompetence with "complaining because Danny didn't make a midseason trade for one of two scrubs before assessing the full value of his roster". The draft in itself is relatively a crapshoot. It's about identifying talent that possesses the skillsets and mindsets that a coaching staff can best utilize in their system. As we've seen last year, simply sticking talent together doesn't just work. These are people. Real human beings. You have to assess more than just numbers. There's nothing wrong with Ainge's draft record.

FWIW, you're also neglecting to point out the losses of Morris and Rozier in our lower 3pt Attempt rate. Homer's on the right track here. This team really doesn't have to make any moves yet. We still haven't even been able to assess its full value because injuries have played such a huge role in this season up to this point. That's really the only thing the Celtics have lost in this stoppage. Considering that our Top 7 guys have only played 8 games together total all season, it's impossible to accurately assess how good this team can be or where their weaknesses truly lie. I wouldn't mind seeing Giles here because his talent and skillset very much could be weaponized by Brad's system. I fear though that he will price himself out of Boston's range early and acquiring him will mean trading some of our other players. I'm not averse to do that but it always gets a little tricky with low salary players who have yet to establish much value in the league.
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#444 » by big-shot-ROB » Sat May 16, 2020 11:42 am

bucknersrevenge wrote:
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Homerclease wrote:That’s fine with your take on Fall, he’s a long shot absolutely but the coaching staff and front office have seemed to deem it worthy to take a flier on him. I think he can handle the Poirier towel waver emergency big role just fine.

Waters should get better in years two, three and four which is why I want him to stick around. Personally I think he’s equal to, if not better than Wanamaker as it stands right now, Nevermind 2-3 years down the line which is what the team should be building toward IMO.

They have enough for playoff runs now, but likely second round or ECF exits. I’m not anywhere near as high on our current vets as you. Kanter showed well for himself in the postseason with Portland, would like to see if that’s a fluke or not. He’s a lesser Greg Monroe to me, who was pretty damn good here in his first stint and totally unplayable in the postseason. Semi is barely worthy of holding a spot on an NBA roster much less being in a playoff rotation. The sooner he’s gone the better. I suppose they have the MLE to sign a vet, any other one is coming at the vet minimum and I’m not sure there’s someone out there that caliber that I’d want over the young guys they currently have.

Reddick and Marvin Williams would be nice, they are short term answers though for a team that’s not quite ready to compete at the highest level. The other guys shouldn’t be in playoff rotation at all IMO. The difference between this team and a team like the Warriors is their top end talent was far superior at this juncture than the Celtics. Tatums Star is on the rise, but to compare him to Curry at this point is a disservice. Throw in Klay, Green, Iggy and at the time Barnes and you see where I’m going. The team needs Tatum and Brown to keep getting better while Kemba and Hayward maintain their current level for at least another 3 years.

Agreed we are fine with the starting 5. I’m looking for role players and raw guys with super high ceilings. A few examples would be a 3 point specialist like a Vassell or an athletic freak like Patrick Williams.

I think trading picks for vets is premature at this point, we aren’t quite in a position to go all in for a short term move like that yet. Keep building the roster as a whole and hope to strike gold with a guy who can either help push you over the top or shows enough promise to trade for someone to push you over the top.

Right now, without signing anyone my bench next year would be Robert Williams, Grant Williams, Romeo Langford, Marcus Smart and Tremont Waters. I’m all for throwing the MLE at Harry Giles and if the team comes out of the draft with Vassell, Patrick Williams and another PG to round out the roster I’d be quite pleased




Wanamaker is just another sign of Ainge's incompetence. On the surface he looks like a terrific find. Using his 2019-20 numbers, he LEADS the NBA with a 93.1 FT%, has a great 2.7 steal rate, is a decent enough passer. Here's where it gets ugly. He has a career .380 3pt% but only takes 3.6 3ptA/100 pos. This is reflected in his putrid 15.4 usage rate. In a 2pt loss to the LAL (18 min 2 pts). In a 1 point loss to Houston (13 min 2 pts). He's gun shy and at 30, don't expect him to get better. Yet, Danny loves him. He never considered trading for a better 3-guard when there were some available - Alec Burks, Jordan McRae. After the trade deadline, Danny hid behind a Pitino-esque straw man "it's hard to make a trade involving 3-4 teams". What does that have to do with Burks and McRae?



There's a dirty little secret about Kanter. Before his injury, he was the second most valuable player on the Celtics. His great rebounding skills masked a dramatic decline in team shooting:

Celtics eFG% ranking
2018-19 (6th)
2019-20 (17th)

Celtics 3pt Attempt Rate
2018-19 (9th)
2019-20 (14th)

Celtics Offensive Rebounding (ORB%)
2018-19 (24th)
2019-20 (7th)

Horford's departure was a crushing blow. His ability to set up good 3pt attempts for his teammates is sorely missed.

One player I really liked in the 2016 draft was Fred VanVleet. He was a senior (true age), yet he was great in ALL of his seasons at Wichita St. When scouting upper classmen, it's important to look at production in their early seasons. FVV went undrafted and was picked up by the Raptors. After winning a ring as the Raptors 3-guard, he was awarded an extension. His overall numbers have been great in the NBA. Moral of the story... stop making excuses about the draft, and, I don't know, maybe, draft better? That starts with properly scouting players. Hint - if you suck as a freshman, regardless of high school recruit ranking, no GM worth his salt would have you on his board. I won't mention names because it wouldn't be fair to players of this type - like Romeo Langford and James Young.


The draft in itself is relatively a crapshoot. It's about identifying talent that possesses the skillsets and mindsets that a coaching staff can best utilize in their system. As we've seen last year, simply sticking talent together doesn't just work. These are people. Real human beings. You have to assess more than just numbers.


Can't stress this enough. The main difference why RealGM scouts are never going to be as good at predicting players is because there's a lot you can gasp about a person even in a simple conversation.
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#445 » by Smog » Sun May 17, 2020 12:33 pm

Who do you like best out of the big men available?

I think this draft is full of guys who could work for the Cs. There are a lot of college fours the Cs would turn into smallball 5s -- Reed, Toppin (they won't be able to get him of course), Achiuwa. Zeke Nnaji could fit in on offense quickly. Vernon Carey gets hated on a lot but the Cs could probably do a lot with his shooting and rebounding. And there are at least two guys I can see who could be turned into Richaun Holmes-type players, i.e. undersized centers who are pluses on both sides of the court. Jalen Smith would struggle with true seven footers, but they could do a lot with someone who's that good of an athlete and can also shoot (he looked amazing at the end of the year). And Daniel Oturu really fits the Celtics -- physical, mature, blocks shots, has light enough feet to play the Celtics' normal defense, handles the ball, and can shoot from deep. I even think Azubuike might be a good late pick. He got in shape this year and he's one of the few guys to come out in years capable of guarding someone like Embiid.

Also does anyone else like Yves Pons? Feels like he'd be a better version of Grant Williams.

Everyone is down on this draft, and I agree the top picks are underwhelming, but it seems really good for what the Cs need. Lots of good defenders with size.
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Post#446 » by big-shot-ROB » Sun May 17, 2020 12:56 pm

Smog wrote:Who do you like best out of the big men available?

I think this draft is full of guys who could work for the Cs. There are a lot of college fours the Cs would turn into smallball 5s -- Reed, Toppin (they won't be able to get him of course), Achiuwa. Zeke Nnaji could fit in on offense quickly. Vernon Carey gets hated on a lot but the Cs could probably do a lot with his shooting and rebounding. And there are at least two guys I can see who could be turned into Richaun Holmes-type players, i.e. undersized centers who are pluses on both sides of the court. Jalen Smith would struggle with true seven footers, but they could do a lot with someone who's that good of an athlete and can also shoot (he looked amazing at the end of the year). And Daniel Oturu really fits the Celtics -- physical, mature, blocks shots, has light enough feet to play the Celtics' normal defense, handles the ball, and can shoot from deep. I even think Azubuike might be a good late pick. He got in shape this year and he's one of the few guys to come out in years capable of guarding someone like Embiid.

Also does anyone else like Yves Pons? Feels like he'd be a better version of Grant Williams.

Everyone is down on this draft, and I agree the top picks are underwhelming, but it seems really good for what the Cs need. Lots of good defenders with size.


Big NO to the first 4 options you listed. Like huge NO.

This is not a good draft for bigs. Reggie Perry and Jalen Smith. That's it. I wouldn't even look into others. I've said multiple times, we need to trade out of this mess unless we really believe in one player.
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#447 » by Homerclease » Sun May 17, 2020 1:37 pm

Smog wrote:Who do you like best out of the big men available?

I think this draft is full of guys who could work for the Cs. There are a lot of college fours the Cs would turn into smallball 5s -- Reed, Toppin (they won't be able to get him of course), Achiuwa. Zeke Nnaji could fit in on offense quickly. Vernon Carey gets hated on a lot but the Cs could probably do a lot with his shooting and rebounding. And there are at least two guys I can see who could be turned into Richaun Holmes-type players, i.e. undersized centers who are pluses on both sides of the court. Jalen Smith would struggle with true seven footers, but they could do a lot with someone who's that good of an athlete and can also shoot (he looked amazing at the end of the year). And Daniel Oturu really fits the Celtics -- physical, mature, blocks shots, has light enough feet to play the Celtics' normal defense, handles the ball, and can shoot from deep. I even think Azubuike might be a good late pick. He got in shape this year and he's one of the few guys to come out in years capable of guarding someone like Embiid.

Also does anyone else like Yves Pons? Feels like he'd be a better version of Grant Williams.

Everyone is down on this draft, and I agree the top picks are underwhelming, but it seems really good for what the Cs need. Lots of good defenders with size.

I like Nnaji and Jalen Smith, slim pickings outside of that. I could be sold on Azubuike in the second round as a flyer on another big man prospect.
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Post#448 » by snowman » Sun May 17, 2020 3:27 pm

As far as bigs in this draft, I'm predicting that Danny will pick more players under 6'7 than over 6'7. I hope I'm wrong.
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Post#449 » by captain green » Tue May 19, 2020 3:06 am

I'm real excited to meet the undersized guards he drafts lol.
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Post#450 » by bucknersrevenge » Tue May 19, 2020 7:33 am

captain green wrote:I'm real excited to meet the undersized guards he drafts lol.


lol I think we already have though. Waters and Edwards.
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Post#451 » by Smog » Tue May 19, 2020 12:48 pm

How will the roster crunch affect the draft?

The Cs will end up with four picks, but likely space for two rookies at most. That could change if Kanter and Hayward end up not returning, but it looks like they will enter the draft with 11-12 spots already locked up. Any rookies they bring in will be fighting with Semi, Waters, Tacko and Javonte Green for that handful of spots.

The two options seem to be trading up and stashing. Trading up seems counterintuitive because the top of this draft is so bad, but maybe there's an opportunity there for that reason. Is there someone in the lottery who might be worth trading three picks to get? It doesn't seem likely, but Ainge did try to trade four picks for Justise Winslow once.

That really leaves stashing, and if they're in this big of a mess rosterwise, shouldn't we be expecting them to draft at least one Euro, if not two? There are so few draftable foreigners this year -- will they end up with Pokusevski, Maledon, Eboua? Who should they pick?
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Post#452 » by big-shot-ROB » Tue May 19, 2020 1:50 pm

Smog wrote:How will the roster crunch affect the draft?

The Cs will end up with four picks, but likely space for two rookies at most. That could change if Kanter and Hayward end up not returning, but it looks like they will enter the draft with 11-12 spots already locked up. Any rookies they bring in will be fighting with Semi, Waters, Tacko and Javonte Green for that handful of spots.

The two options seem to be trading up and stashing. Trading up seems counterintuitive because the top of this draft is so bad, but maybe there's an opportunity there for that reason. Is there someone in the lottery who might be worth trading three picks to get? It doesn't seem likely, but Ainge did try to trade four picks for Justise Winslow once.

That really leaves stashing, and if they're in this big of a mess rosterwise, shouldn't we be expecting them to draft at least one Euro, if not two? There are so few draftable foreigners this year -- will they end up with Pokusevski, Maledon, Eboua? Who should they pick?


Carlos Alocén and Leandro Bolmaro should be the draft-and-stash picks if we decide to go that route.
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Post#453 » by Parliament10 » Tue May 19, 2020 3:17 pm

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Smog wrote:How will the roster crunch affect the draft?

The Cs will end up with four picks, but likely space for two rookies at most. That could change if Kanter and Hayward end up not returning, but it looks like they will enter the draft with 11-12 spots already locked up. Any rookies they bring in will be fighting with Semi, Waters, Tacko and Javonte Green for that handful of spots.

The two options seem to be trading up and stashing. Trading up seems counterintuitive because the top of this draft is so bad, but maybe there's an opportunity there for that reason. Is there someone in the lottery who might be worth trading three picks to get? It doesn't seem likely, but Ainge did try to trade four picks for Justise Winslow once.

That really leaves stashing, and if they're in this big of a mess rosterwise, shouldn't we be expecting them to draft at least one Euro, if not two? There are so few draftable foreigners this year -- will they end up with Pokusevski, Maledon, Eboua? Who should they pick?


Carlos Alocén and Leandro Bolmaro should be the draft-and-stash picks if we decide to go that route.

Don't forget too, that we have 2 x Two-Way slots, as well.
So figure 17 players. It could work if we get 2 in the 2nd Round, and/or an Undrafted.

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I also think that Semi, Javonte and Wanamaker are gone.
We may also do something with Edwards and Poirier.
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big-shot-ROB wrote:
Smog wrote:How will the roster crunch affect the draft?

The Cs will end up with four picks, but likely space for two rookies at most. That could change if Kanter and Hayward end up not returning, but it looks like they will enter the draft with 11-12 spots already locked up. Any rookies they bring in will be fighting with Semi, Waters, Tacko and Javonte Green for that handful of spots.

The two options seem to be trading up and stashing. Trading up seems counterintuitive because the top of this draft is so bad, but maybe there's an opportunity there for that reason. Is there someone in the lottery who might be worth trading three picks to get? It doesn't seem likely, but Ainge did try to trade four picks for Justise Winslow once.

That really leaves stashing, and if they're in this big of a mess rosterwise, shouldn't we be expecting them to draft at least one Euro, if not two? There are so few draftable foreigners this year -- will they end up with Pokusevski, Maledon, Eboua? Who should they pick?


Carlos Alocén and Leandro Bolmaro should be the draft-and-stash picks if we decide to go that route.


What are your thoughts on Bolmaro??

Love his game but I doubt he has the athleticism to survive in the NBA without a good jumper.
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Post#455 » by big-shot-ROB » Tue May 19, 2020 5:38 pm

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big-shot-ROB wrote:
Smog wrote:How will the roster crunch affect the draft?

The Cs will end up with four picks, but likely space for two rookies at most. That could change if Kanter and Hayward end up not returning, but it looks like they will enter the draft with 11-12 spots already locked up. Any rookies they bring in will be fighting with Semi, Waters, Tacko and Javonte Green for that handful of spots.

The two options seem to be trading up and stashing. Trading up seems counterintuitive because the top of this draft is so bad, but maybe there's an opportunity there for that reason. Is there someone in the lottery who might be worth trading three picks to get? It doesn't seem likely, but Ainge did try to trade four picks for Justise Winslow once.

That really leaves stashing, and if they're in this big of a mess rosterwise, shouldn't we be expecting them to draft at least one Euro, if not two? There are so few draftable foreigners this year -- will they end up with Pokusevski, Maledon, Eboua? Who should they pick?


Carlos Alocén and Leandro Bolmaro should be the draft-and-stash picks if we decide to go that route.


What are your thoughts on Bolmaro??

Love his game but I doubt he has the athleticism to survive in the NBA without a good jumper.


Athleticism is something I don't worry about if I believe the skills are translatable. Anywai, I leave this here for you to check. Obviously both are highlights and not lowlights, but both of them as good as you can get when it comes to drafting good players without taking roster spots.



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Post#456 » by bucknersrevenge » Tue May 19, 2020 7:42 pm

big-shot-ROB wrote:
CelticsPride18 wrote:
big-shot-ROB wrote:
Carlos Alocén and Leandro Bolmaro should be the draft-and-stash picks if we decide to go that route.


What are your thoughts on Bolmaro??

Love his game but I doubt he has the athleticism to survive in the NBA without a good jumper.


Athleticism is something I don't worry about if I believe the skills are translatable. Anywai, I leave this here for you to check. Obviously both are highlights and not lowlights, but both of them as good as you can get when it comes to drafting good players without taking roster spots.





Like Alocen. LOVE Bolmaro. He has the size. He has the flare. Like his offensive versatility to score and playmake in the open court. He needs to get into a pro program and put a little more weight on but he doesn't look weak. Seems like he competes. I don't want to make the obvious comparison to another Argentian guard who used to play in the league but Bolmaro has skills that could work in Brad's read and react system. I'd certainly be happy with him and Pokusevski on a draft n stash.
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#457 » by big-shot-ROB » Tue May 19, 2020 9:43 pm

bucknersrevenge wrote:
big-shot-ROB wrote:
CelticsPride18 wrote:
What are your thoughts on Bolmaro??

Love his game but I doubt he has the athleticism to survive in the NBA without a good jumper.


Athleticism is something I don't worry about if I believe the skills are translatable. Anywai, I leave this here for you to check. Obviously both are highlights and not lowlights, but both of them as good as you can get when it comes to drafting good players without taking roster spots.





Like Alocen. LOVE Bolmaro. He has the size. He has the flare. Like his offensive versatility to score and playmake in the open court. He needs to get into a pro program and put a little more weight on but he doesn't look weak. Seems like he competes. I don't want to make the obvious comparison to another Argentian guard who used to play in the league but Bolmaro has skills that could work in Brad's read and react system. I'd certainly be happy with him and Pokusevski on a draft n stash.


Actually, i might prefer Carlos over Bolmaro. I feel like Bolmaro's shot and overall suddeness will limit his ceiling. You can't dispute the understading of the game at this size though. Alocén though is a killer. Like the guy embraces the big moments, he ain't scared of anybody, really high character guy. And he's been the starting PG for Zaragoza ths whole season. When he came to play in town, there was this aura around him. He was leading the team at just 19, it was quite amazing.
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Post#458 » by CelticsPride18 » Tue May 19, 2020 10:45 pm

If we keep all 3 picks my dream draft would be:

S. Bey or Nesmith at 17
Jalen Smith at 26
Bolmaro at 30
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Post#459 » by Parliament10 » Tue May 19, 2020 11:46 pm

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We might keep all 4.
It might be better to consolidate, though.
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Post#460 » by Justin33 » Wed May 20, 2020 12:33 am

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