2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 4)

[mpharris36]

The Ringer updated their mock and big board. Has the Knicks taking Haliburton at #6. Prefer Hayes (#11 pick), but I am good with that.

Would be nice to have our choice and get one out of Hayes/Hali

im so confused the ringers #1 on the big board is killian hayes but they have him going #11 on the mock???

The general "Mock Draft" is how he thinks the public would choose
His personal board is the order he would choose

and by public does he mean the NBA gm's or the NBA fans?

[3toheadmelo]

The Ringer updated their mock and big board. Has the Knicks taking Haliburton at #6. Prefer Hayes (#11 pick), but I am good with that.

Would be nice to have our choice and get one out of Hayes/Hali

SHADES OF: Shai Gilgeous-Alexander

Yea, I think he had that before too. A lot of those comparisons end up being way off though

I just see much different games. Hali takes a lot more 3's (5.5 vs 1.5)....SGA was more aggressive going to the hoop, shooting off the dribble, finishing and has more wiggle. SGA was the much better creator off the dribble, Hali was the better 3 point shooter.

I still like Hali, just dont see him being a 19ppg+ scorer or agressive attacking like SGA. Thats not his game.

I’m just saying I’m not the only one who sees some SGA in him

[3toheadmelo]

if Perrin is running the draft he hasn't been afraid to take euro players in the draft. I would absolutely not rule out Killian Hayes.

I would understand if the past regime was still here maybe there apprehension...but we have completely new decision makers and they shouldn't let any past concerns cloud them from picking the best player.

If they have done the scouting and believe Haliburton is truly the best option I will be 100% on board.

It throws a whole new dynamic with Perrin coming on. Because he is a draft guru that has extensive knowledge and has done extensive research on this class. I wonder how much leverage Rose is going to give Perrin in making our picks?

If they want Hayes they will prob trade down for him. Doubt they take him at #6. Most mocks have him going in the 9-11 range.

I think the public perception of where Hayes is going and where he actually goes is way off.

Macri said he believes if the knicks land a top 4 pick in the lottery he would be shocked if it wasnt Ball, Edwards, or Hayes in the top 4.

Macri isn’t a real source. He said DSJ was gonna get traded by the deadline and a bunch of other BS.

Most mocks have Hayes going later in the draft.. so I am pretty sure we will have to trade down for him.

[robillionaire]

Yea, I think he had that before too. A lot of those comparisons end up being way off though

I just see much different games. Hali takes a lot more 3's (5.5 vs 1.5)....SGA was more aggressive going to the hoop, shooting off the dribble, finishing and has more wiggle. SGA was the much better creator off the dribble, Hali was the better 3 point shooter.

I still like Hali, just dont see him being a 19ppg+ scorer or agressive attacking like SGA. Thats not his game.

I’m just saying I’m not the only one who sees some SGA in him

He has Lonzo as a comparison for lamelo too

[mpharris36]

Yea, I think he had that before too. A lot of those comparisons end up being way off though

I just see much different games. Hali takes a lot more 3's (5.5 vs 1.5)....SGA was more aggressive going to the hoop, shooting off the dribble, finishing and has more wiggle. SGA was the much better creator off the dribble, Hali was the better 3 point shooter.

I still like Hali, just dont see him being a 19ppg+ scorer or agressive attacking like SGA. Thats not his game.

I’m just saying I’m not the only one who sees some SGA in him

its odd they gave Lamelo the Lonzo comp and not Haliburton....

[robillionaire]

If they want Hayes they will prob trade down for him. Doubt they take him at #6. Most mocks have him going in the 9-11 range.

I think the public perception of where Hayes is going and where he actually goes is way off.

Macri said he believes if the knicks land a top 4 pick in the lottery he would be shocked if it wasnt Ball, Edwards, or Hayes in the top 4.

Macri isn’t a real source.

Agreed. Sports illustrated is dead and the writers are hacks

[HEZI]

How are you guys taking these "sources" seriously when the Knicks just yesterday hired their lead draft scout? How does anybody have any info on what the Knicks are going to do when none of our NYC sources even sniffed the Perrin hire?

[Deeeez Knicks]

If Cole’s drop is real then the Knicks are taking Haliburton unless we move up

if Perrin is running the draft he hasn't been afraid to take euro players in the draft. I would absolutely not rule out Killian Hayes.

I would understand if the past regime was still here maybe there apprehension...but we have completely new decision makers and they shouldn't let any past concerns cloud them from picking the best player.

If they have done the scouting and believe Haliburton is truly the best option I will be 100% on board.

It throws a whole new dynamic with Perrin coming on. Because he is a draft guru that has extensive knowledge and has done extensive research on this class. I wonder how much leverage Rose is going to give Perrin in making our picks?

If they want Hayes they will prob trade down for him. Doubt they take him at #6. Most mocks have him going in the 9-11 range.

A lot of mocks have Hayes top 6. Doesnt seem like there is a lot seperating players in that range so should just take whoever we like best

[mpharris36]

If they want Hayes they will prob trade down for him. Doubt they take him at #6. Most mocks have him going in the 9-11 range.

I think the public perception of where Hayes is going and where he actually goes is way off.

Macri said he believes if the knicks land a top 4 pick in the lottery he would be shocked if it wasnt Ball, Edwards, or Hayes in the top 4.

Macri isn’t a real source. He said DSJ was gonna get traded by the deadline and a bunch of other BS.

Most mocks have Hayes going later in the draft.. so I am pretty sure we will have to trade down for him.

never said he was a source. Just was giving context of an opinion from a knicks fan that I respect.

And I don't think we will trade down for Hayes at all...we will be lucky if he's there at 7 or 8 IMO.

[mpharris36]

if Perrin is running the draft he hasn't been afraid to take euro players in the draft. I would absolutely not rule out Killian Hayes.

I would understand if the past regime was still here maybe there apprehension...but we have completely new decision makers and they shouldn't let any past concerns cloud them from picking the best player.

If they have done the scouting and believe Haliburton is truly the best option I will be 100% on board.

It throws a whole new dynamic with Perrin coming on. Because he is a draft guru that has extensive knowledge and has done extensive research on this class. I wonder how much leverage Rose is going to give Perrin in making our picks?

If they want Hayes they will prob trade down for him. Doubt they take him at #6. Most mocks have him going in the 9-11 range.

A lot of mocks have Hayes top 6. Doesnt seem like there is a lot seperating players in that range so should just take whoever we like best

yeah there will be no trading down for Hayes if we want him and he is there in the 6-8 range.

[mpharris36]

How are you guys taking these "sources" seriously when the Knicks just yesterday hired their lead draft scout? How does anybody have any info on what the Knicks are going to do when none of our NYC sources even sniffed the Perrin hire?

who said anything about sources?

I think anyone suggesting they know what the knicks are doing in the draft way to premature...especially since now most likely Perrin is going to have a heavy say in who we pick and he hasn't spent a day on the job for the knicks.

He probably has his own big board as we speak from the Jazz days and we will see how much that changes now that he is a big influence with the knicks.

[Deeeez Knicks]

Yea, I think he had that before too. A lot of those comparisons end up being way off though

I just see much different games. Hali takes a lot more 3's (5.5 vs 1.5)....SGA was more aggressive going to the hoop, shooting off the dribble, finishing and has more wiggle. SGA was the much better creator off the dribble, Hali was the better 3 point shooter.

I still like Hali, just dont see him being a 19ppg+ scorer or agressive attacking like SGA. Thats not his game.

I’m just saying I’m not the only one who sees some SGA in him

True...i dont see Sam Cassell either. I mean, probably closer to SGA then Sam Cassell

[3toheadmelo]

if Perrin is running the draft he hasn't been afraid to take euro players in the draft. I would absolutely not rule out Killian Hayes.

I would understand if the past regime was still here maybe there apprehension...but we have completely new decision makers and they shouldn't let any past concerns cloud them from picking the best player.

If they have done the scouting and believe Haliburton is truly the best option I will be 100% on board.

It throws a whole new dynamic with Perrin coming on. Because he is a draft guru that has extensive knowledge and has done extensive research on this class. I wonder how much leverage Rose is going to give Perrin in making our picks?

If they want Hayes they will prob trade down for him. Doubt they take him at #6. Most mocks have him going in the 9-11 range.

A lot of mocks have Hayes top 6. Doesnt seem like there is a lot seperating players in that range so should just take whoever we like best

I don’t see much reliable mocks have him going there. Plus DX still has him at #10 and they are pretty much spot on every year. So I think he’s going in that range. Maybe it changes after the lottery

[HEZI]

How are you guys taking these "sources" seriously when the Knicks just yesterday hired their lead draft scout? How does anybody have any info on what the Knicks are going to do when none of our NYC sources even sniffed the Perrin hire?

who said anything about sources?

Even the mocks themselves, they are nothing but speculation based on personal opinion. These guys don't represent NBA front offices. There isn't even enough info out there being leaked about the direction of some of the teams especially this early in the draft process when the lotto order hasn't been established yet. There is nothing concrete about these mock drafts as of right now

[Knicksfan1992]

The more I watch LaMelo the more he reminds me of the way Harden moves on the court. Very care free and loosey goosey but with an heir of confidence and so much subtle deception with the ball in his hands. He lulls people to sleep with his very laid back approach and all of a sudden he's whipping a pass out to 3 or finding the roll man with a quick one handed dime.

Obviously Harden had a bigger frame and much better shot coming out but he really started to showcase his vision and handle ability once he got the reigns taken off him in OKC.

It'll be interesting to see how loose of a leash whomever drafts LaMelo gives him. His unwavering confidence is what makes him great but also what leads to a lot of the flaws in his game.

[mpharris36]

How are you guys taking these "sources" seriously when the Knicks just yesterday hired their lead draft scout? How does anybody have any info on what the Knicks are going to do when none of our NYC sources even sniffed the Perrin hire?

who said anything about sources?

Even the mocks themselves, they are nothing but speculation based on personal opinion. These guys don't represent NBA front offices. There isn't even enough info out there being leaked about the direction of some of the teams especially this early in the draft process when the lotto order hasn't been established yet. There is nothing concrete about these mock drafts as of right now

yeah if there was every a year mocks are going to get completely f*cked up its going to be this year with such little information reporters have on the way teams are thinking because we probably wont have traditional combine and workouts...

[3toheadmelo]

I think the public perception of where Hayes is going and where he actually goes is way off.

Macri said he believes if the knicks land a top 4 pick in the lottery he would be shocked if it wasnt Ball, Edwards, or Hayes in the top 4.

Macri isn’t a real source. He said DSJ was gonna get traded by the deadline and a bunch of other BS.

Most mocks have Hayes going later in the draft.. so I am pretty sure we will have to trade down for him.

never said he was a source. Just was giving context of an opinion from a knicks fan that I respect.

And I don't think we will trade down for Hayes at all...we will be lucky if he's there at 7 or 8 IMO.

So if he’s just a Knicks fan like the rest of us.. why does it matter

Hayes will def be there at 7 or 8. Will the Knicks take him there? Doubtful but we’ll see.

[Deeeez Knicks]

If they want Hayes they will prob trade down for him. Doubt they take him at #6. Most mocks have him going in the 9-11 range.

A lot of mocks have Hayes top 6. Doesnt seem like there is a lot seperating players in that range so should just take whoever we like best

I don’t see much reliable mocks have him going there. Plus DX still has him at #10 and they are pretty much spot on every year. So I think he’s going in that range. Maybe it changes after the lottery

True, they will all change anyway after the lottery and as the draft gets closer. not sure how accurate but draftnet, bleacher report, tankathon, cbssports has him top 6. A lot of players can flip around from 5 to 14...if we like a guy at 6 or 7, dont know if we can wait around to 10 for him...or might not even be an option. Can be hard to trade down a few spots sometimes

[HEZI]

who said anything about sources?

Even the mocks themselves, they are nothing but speculation based on personal opinion. These guys don't represent NBA front offices. There isn't even enough info out there being leaked about the direction of some of the teams especially this early in the draft process when the lotto order hasn't been established yet. There is nothing concrete about these mock drafts as of right now

yeah if there was every a year mocks are going to get completely f*cked up its going to be this year with such little information reporters have on the way teams are thinking because we probably wont have traditional combine and workouts...

Yeah and who knows what some teams are planning and thinking right now. With the economy situation, there is a huge shakeup going around. Are some teams still interested in keeping their pick or trading down or out to save money? Are some teams going to try to take advantage of the free agent market this summer? Plus like you said the draft process itself is just different this year so how teams go about determining who they want is different too. There is just a lot of uncertainty out there. If there was ever a wait and see approach to be taken (it usually should be like that every year) but its definitely this year.

[8516knicks]

that is a great question. feel like the only players in discussion would be wiseman, ball, and Edwards and I am not 100% sure if I would on any of them.

Honest opinion.... None. before he went to Duke I felt he was #1.

I have no doubt in my mind that RJ would definitely be the number one pick in this draft.

Would I be wrong in also guess Mitch would be #1 in this year's draft? Or is that too big a stretch?