Back Alley brawl: Zion vs McGregor who wins?

[BAMAFREAK]

The guys saying McGregor has a chance are not understanding quite a few things.
Zion is not just some big athletic dude who played some years of high level football or basketball.....he is quite possibly the worlds most twitched up ball of muscle with a huge size, length, weight, reach advantage. Not only is he twice the size and strength of McGregor, but he is quicker and faster as well.
This is not going to go to the ground and become a grappling situation. Zion is way too long and strong to let McGregor anywhere close enough inside to cause enough damage. Zion will be able to get through McG blocks and defense. It would be a rag doll situation. Only chance McGregor would have is if Zion is just a huge softy which is not the case. Just watch him fight through contact from NBA guys.

[Capn'O]

Only Rodman and Oakley stand a chance and that's only because they don't have the brain cells to realize the danger and don't care either way.

Barkley...

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[Duke4life831]

Im curious so Ill ask again. To those saying Zion would just rag doll him. At what size does Zion lose the ability to just rag doll someone?

Does he rag doll Khabib? 155 pound champ but walks around at 190
Does he rag doll Usman? 170 pound champ but walks around at 190+
Israel? the 185 pound champ but walks around 200+ pounds
Jon Jones? 205 champ but walks around in the 220+ range
Or Stipe the HW champ, 230-245 range

Im just really curious to those saying Zion is too big and would rag doll him, what one of those guys do you think Zion loses that ability?

[limbo]

I got a 6 and a half inch penis, but when i walk around it's in the 7+ range.

[lobosloboslobos]

Among other things, I think people are missing out on the importance of kicks. Conor could kick Zion in the nuts with power, speed and accuracy that Zion would have zero chance of stopping. And Zion would have zero chance of doing the same to Conor. so that is a 100% chance of a win for Conor in a street fight.

But even if Conor chose not to do that, if Zion hesitates for even a moment before rushing him Conor could deliver a kick to the side of the knee like nothing Zion has ever experienced. If it doesn't instantly wreck Zion (which it might since he has had a major knee injury and he has never been kicked there before, let alone by a world champion MMA fighter) it would still buckle him, giving Conor a chance to hammer him with his powerful left hand. But say Conor doesn't knock Zion out with his left, still the fight is only 2 seconds old and Zion is already feeling crippled and confused and scared and his nose is stinging and bleeding. Does he respond instantly to cover up or rush Conor or step back out of his reach? Because if he doesn't immediately do one of these things (and as a non-trained fighter he likely wouldn't) in the next moment Conor does the exact same thing, another nasty kick in the same spot and another powerful straight left to the face. Repeat until Zion gets knocked out, choked out, can't see, can't stand up or whatever. fight lasts about 30 seconds at most and Conor walks away leaving Zion in a heap.

I mean, obviously this is just one way it could go, and I admit i'm no fighter, but i've seen enough of what the best MMA fighters are capable of to know that even a super powerful non-fighter like Zion has little chance against a guy with Conor's extremely precise and varied abilities to inflict pain and damage. being a great basketball player and freakish athlete gives you no inherent ability to protect yourself from that stuff.

[Duke4life831]

I got a 6 and a half inch penis, but when i walk around it's in the 7+ range.

You do realize the drastic weight cuts these guys do right? Many starve and dehydrate themselves to dangerous levels to make weight. Many push it too far and end up in the hospital. One of the times Tony vs Khabib got cancelled was because Khabib had to be taken to the hospital because of too extreme of a weight cut. Here is Conor cutting weight to 145 vs him making weight at 170. He is dangerously dehydrated at 145.

[Harry Garris]

It depends on how good of a fighter Zion is. If he has any clue what he's doing he'd win easily because 100 extra pounds of muscle is a massive advantage.

[limbo]

I got a 6 and a half inch penis, but when i walk around it's in the 7+ range.

You do realize the drastic weight cuts these guys do right? Many starve and dehydrate themselves to dangerous levels to make weight. Many push it too far and end up in the hospital. One of the times Tony vs Khabib got cancelled was because Khabib had to be taken to the hospital because of too extreme of a weight cut. Here is Conor cutting weight to 145 vs him making weight at 170. He is dangerously dehydrated at 145.

Of course, this is common knowledge... Obviously McGregor doesn't walk around a **** skeleton in his day-to-day life... This is just loss of water to make a cut.

Anyway, i was just making a joke... At least acknowledge that it was funny. I mean, i laugh at it a bit myself

[dautjazz]

I doubt anyone has posted Connor vs. The Mountain but look that video up...

What exactly are we supposed to learn from them playing - and why would it be worth more than actual fight videos of trained fighters beating big guys?


Also, can people stop comparing Zion to the Mountain lol. Zion is nowhere near that big. Zion is a great run and jump athlete, but he isn't half as strong or nearly as heavy. The Mountain would beat up Zion Williamson easily and most NBA players, because they don't know how to fight and they are weak compared to him.

Yeah it's beyond ridiculous, I'm not an expert in the field of the world's strongest men vs MMA fighters, but do these guys ever fight in MMA at the level of UFC? Are they successful?

Second, the mountain weighs over 400lbs and can deadlift around 1100lbs, I'd be shocked if Zion can deadlift 400 lbs, and I'd be more inclined to think that the mountain has better fighting skills as there are plenty of body builders who take interest in MMA, and while there are some basketball players who are into martial arts, it's far less common.

So assuming even that the mountain could win a fight against Connor, has no correlation what so ever with Zion's chances. I remember thinking Connor had a chance against Mayweather in boxing, and while I think he put up a good fight in the realm of boxing against one of the all-time greats, and the same would happen, weather Zion is stronger than Connor or not, he's likely got no MMA skill, so he'd have no chance.

[dautjazz]

It depends on how good of a fighter Zion is. If he has any clue what he's doing he'd win easily because 100 extra pounds of muscle is a massive advantage.

He doesn't have 100lbs more of muscle, Connor has far less body fat, and his walking around weight is 180, Zion probably has an extra 50-60lbs of muscle at best, but doesn't mean he knows how to leverage it well in a fight. Zion carries plenty of excess weight at 280 or whatever he's at.

[NO-KG-AI]

I find it funny that people are trying to use the sparring with "The Mountain" as evidence that Conor would lose. He's a way way wayyy bigger and stronger guy than Zion, and he couldn't just walk up and pick Conor up like people think Zion can.

His job is literally to lift things, but picking up a person resisting is an entirely different thing, especially when they know how to not get picked up and slammed.

There's a whole lot of people in here that probably think Jiu Jitsu doesn't work because "I'd just punch in him the face bro"

[pesfan321]

It depends on how good of a fighter Zion is. If he has any clue what he's doing he'd win easily because 100 extra pounds of muscle is a massive advantage.

He doesn't have 100lbs more of muscle, Connor has far less body fat, and his walking around weight is 180, Zion probably has an extra 50-60lbs of muscle at best, but doesn't mean he knows how to leverage it well in a fight. Zion carries plenty of excess weight at 280 or whatever he's at.

I would say it's closer to 310 now in the off season. He does live in New Orleans doesn't he?

[pesfan321]

Why is it Zion and not LeBron James? Or James Johnson if you want it to be kind of fair.

[og15]

Lol, 20 pages, is it people trying to explain to others the difference between being a professional fighter and a person who has no actual fighting skill?

Come on, how does anyone think Zion wins? McGregor does it for a living, your size doesn't make your jaw any less susceptible or your defense good, or your striking accurate. McGregor will know how to stay away from anything Zion could possibly attempt and know how to disable him, this would be "light work".

[israelfirst]

basketball players rarely can fight. easy win for conrad

[CS707]

Im curious so Ill ask again. To those saying Zion would just rag doll him. At what size does Zion lose the ability to just rag doll someone?

Does he rag doll Khabib? 155 pound champ but walks around at 190
Does he rag doll Usman? 170 pound champ but walks around at 190+
Israel? the 185 pound champ but walks around 200+ pounds
Jon Jones? 205 champ but walks around in the 220+ range
Or Stipe the HW champ, 230-245 range

Im just really curious to those saying Zion is too big and would rag doll him, what one of those guys do you think Zion loses that ability?

It’s hard to give an exact answer but there are plenty of examples in combat sports of fighters whose power didn’t translate to higher weight classes. And, in this case, we’re talking about a 10-15lb jump. It’s silly to think the effect of striking power wouldn’t diminish over 100ish lbs.

[uberhikari]

I'll just leave this here:

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Zion has no shot...none. A trained fighter is nothing to play with.

[In SVG We Trust]

So what determines a street fight now? Vertical leap? Dunk?

Weight divisions matter in sanctioned fights because there has to be a measurable balance in a competitive fight—like rules and structure because it’s a sport or competition, not a fight of actual survival.

You’re talking about someone in Zion that to any of our knowledge, has ZERO experience as a trained fighter. Is his size and weight an advantage? Yes it is. Does CM’s technique and skill give him a sizable advantage as well? Yes it does.

How many examples exist out there of guys in sanctioned fights that are severely outmatched physically and win by knockout or submission? A lot. You’re completely discrediting the fact that CM is still strong in his own right and has years and years of experience.

McGregor is not strong man, that's what you can't understand.

If you say who wins, Zion or Overeem, Zion doesn't have a single chance. No way, he would be out in 10 seconds.

I don't think you understand how important the size and weight are in a fight. Specially when the difference is between a regular guy size and a monster.

I mean a heavyweight can knockout another like Fedor won against Hong Man Choi, but that's because Fedor was +100kg and strong enough.

You're talking about a 70kg dude. Seriously, don't debate this, it just makes you look like you have no clue about what you talking.

It’s a topic that we could debate forever until or unless such a situation actually occurred.

I understand you have experience as a Muy Tai fighter—I have experience as a wrestler. I know exactly what I’m talking about. I’ve seen and been involved in practices and training sessions where experience and technique won over shear size and strength many times. Sure it went the other way too, but you’re trying to argue that it’s impossible to overcome a size advantage. Especially in your discipline, I’m surprised that your stance is basically that the bigger guy always wins. There are so many ways to get around that—leg sweeps, attacks to the knees and torso, submissions—it isn’t a sanctioned boxing match we are talking about.

And I’m sorry man, but your arrogance in your posts is incredible. The only point you’re making that is accurate is that Zion is a giant—as in, he’s tall. You then jump to compare how CM would get destroyed by other elite professional fighters that are way out of his weight class—well yeah, of course—Zion is not an elite fighter. Zion has zero training as a fighter. He jumps high and is really tall. You also say “legendary strength” wtf are you talking about? Compared to what or whom? I’d suggest getting off your high horse because you recreationally go to a kickboxing gym.

You're now making the same fail as a lot of posters here. Yeah man, I've dominated guys who are much taller and weights more than me, because I had the superior technique.

Yeah you beat some big amateur wrestlers. Are you comparing them to Zion? For Goku's sake, there is someone in this topic who has seen Zion play? Because he absorb A LOT of contact of giants and he's like a wrecking ball in the sports with the biggest guys on earth.

He's a monster so he can only be beaten by monsters. Of course at certain weight he would be knocked out very easily, but that's only by guys of a respectable size.

Seriously, McGregor isn't strong and he is a small fighter. I mean he's strong af in his weight and he could beat all of us in seconds. Technique is very very important, but if you double on strength the other guy, it doesn't matter at all.

And don't forget strength is mass x acceleration. When you see guys like Hong Man Choi, they could have less strengh in a strike than Fedor or Crocop. I mean the have more pure strenght, but that doesn't translate to the strikes, because they moves real slow.

Zion is a very coordinate guy with a crazy speed and explosiveness for his size. Even if he makes a gorilla punch, the weight and acceleration of that punch is something McGregor's body can't take.

[chitownsalesmen]

Conor McGregor is not 145 pounds.

yeah, his walk around weight was around 175 when he was cutting to 145 to make weight. He can't make 145 anymore. He came in 170 against Cerrone and cut about 10-15lbs.

these people are functionally (Please Use More Appropriate Word).

[chitownsalesmen]

This thread:

"Some of you guys are underrating how much size matters, Zion would obviously win"

"Some of you guys are underrating how much skill matters, Conor would obviously win"

ad nauseam

Except the first group are talking about something they have no idea about.