Back Alley brawl: Zion vs McGregor who wins?

[NoDopeOnSundays]

All the people posting with the argument "obviously the pro fighter wins" has never been close to fight sports more than drinking beer and thinking WWE was a real thing before Pride and UFC get popularity.

Seriously you can't fight that weight back. I don't know how many Bruce Lee movies have you seen guys, but I can guarantee that Bruce Lee wasn't able to beat Kareem. And we're talking about the greatest martial artist ever.

Again, are we talking about Zion fighting Cormier? Damn he doesn't have a chance. But McGregor is SMALL. Forget all the bs you have seen in the movies, and the that laughable thinking.

Hey, Saenchai, maybe the greatest technical fighter (muay fimeu at his best), is conceded some weight to his opponents. But in his last years he's fighting mostly foreigners who wants some recognition, he's not fighting any top class fighter of those categories.

And being as good as Saenchai is, he wouldn't be able to fight Yassine Boughanem. If you think he could, congratulations, you're a delusional kid flashed by Hollywood.

Weight classes in pro sports exist because everyone is trained, we have already seen what happens when random strong men try and fight trained people in the early days of UFC back when it was a free for all. You guys are arguing something that has already happened.

Nevermind the fact there are literal compilations all over Youtube of small people beating up big people in the street because NON TRAINED people don't even know how to throw proper punches.

[goodboy]

Not a Conman fan, but he would sleep Zion within seconds.


Sure terms of sheer power and brute force Zion posses.. would be unmatched by the skill/precision and technique Conor would use on him.

[In SVG We Trust]

All the people posting with the argument "obviously the pro fighter wins" has never been close to fight sports more than drinking beer and thinking WWE was a real thing before Pride and UFC get popularity.

Seriously you can't fight that weight back. I don't know how many Bruce Lee movies have you seen guys, but I can guarantee that Bruce Lee wasn't able to beat Kareem. And we're talking about the greatest martial artist ever.

Again, are we talking about Zion fighting Cormier? Damn he doesn't have a chance. But McGregor is SMALL. Forget all the bs you have seen in the movies, and the that laughable thinking.

Hey, Saenchai, maybe the greatest technical fighter (muay fimeu at his best), is conceded some weight to his opponents. But in his last years he's fighting mostly foreigners who wants some recognition, he's not fighting any top class fighter of those categories.

And being as good as Saenchai is, he wouldn't be able to fight Yassine Boughanem. If you think he could, congratulations, you're a delusional kid flashed by Hollywood.

Weight classes in pro sports exist because everyone is trained, we have already seen what happens when random strong men try and fight trained people in the early days of UFC back when it was a free for all. You guys are arguing something that has already happened.

Nevermind the fact there are literal compilations all over Youtube of small people beating up big people in the street because NON TRAINED people don't even know how to throw proper punches.

And again you're comparing a crackhead of your neighborhood or the guy who thinks he can fight because he goes to the gym with one of the best prospects ever in the best league in the world of one sport who's playing mainly by giants. Basically because his combination of size, weight, explosiveness and mobility, Zion is a freak of the nature.

Still you can't think McGregor is a small fighter, and he doesn't have enough power when we're talking about that BIG.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

NoDope please stop this nonsense. You're talking about 20lb or something around like it was nothing... Even 6lb can be massive advantage when we're talking about elite pro fighters.

So you name, McGregor, then name Canelo, then Shogun Rua, and your final conclusion would be McGregor is pretty close to Zion's size.

Weight matters among trained fighters, why is this difficult to grasp? Weight classes exist because everyone has some level of skill, please tell me what fighting skill Zion has.

He doesn't know how to stop a takedown so the size means nothing, or the years of Royce Gracie beating guys much larger than himself didn't happen? Can Zion take a punch? Who knows, we know guys like Canelo and Connor can take punishment, we know that they know how to throw punches with their hips. Trained vs untrained the weight doesn't matter that much at all.

Plain and simple, if it were simply about being big and strong why aren't there undrafted college 300-320lbs linemen dominating the heavyweight division in UFC? Is Arena or Canadian football league money too good to pass up, or is it that it takes more to be a great fighter than being big.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

All the people posting with the argument "obviously the pro fighter wins" has never been close to fight sports more than drinking beer and thinking WWE was a real thing before Pride and UFC get popularity.

Seriously you can't fight that weight back. I don't know how many Bruce Lee movies have you seen guys, but I can guarantee that Bruce Lee wasn't able to beat Kareem. And we're talking about the greatest martial artist ever.

Again, are we talking about Zion fighting Cormier? Damn he doesn't have a chance. But McGregor is SMALL. Forget all the bs you have seen in the movies, and the that laughable thinking.

Hey, Saenchai, maybe the greatest technical fighter (muay fimeu at his best), is conceded some weight to his opponents. But in his last years he's fighting mostly foreigners who wants some recognition, he's not fighting any top class fighter of those categories.

And being as good as Saenchai is, he wouldn't be able to fight Yassine Boughanem. If you think he could, congratulations, you're a delusional kid flashed by Hollywood.

Weight classes in pro sports exist because everyone is trained, we have already seen what happens when random strong men try and fight trained people in the early days of UFC back when it was a free for all. You guys are arguing something that has already happened.

Nevermind the fact there are literal compilations all over Youtube of small people beating up big people in the street because NON TRAINED people don't even know how to throw proper punches.

And again you're comparing a crackhead of your neighborhood or the guy who thinks he can fight because he goes to the gym with one of the best prospects ever in the best league in the world of one sport who's playing mainly by giants. Basically because his combination of size, weight, explosiveness and mobility, Zion is a freak of the nature.

Still you can't think McGregor is a small fighter, and he doesn't have enough power when we're talking about that BIG.

You have got to be kidding me, being good at one sport doesn't mean you're going to be great at fighting. This is like thinking Shaq who is also a freak of nature would have beaten Evander Holyfield or Mike Tyson, which as an bigger size disparity than the one between Zion and Connor.

This is pretty much insulting to anyone that steps foot in the ring or the octagon.

[madmaxmedia]

Maybe if Zion reads through this thread first, he would pick up enough tips to help him.

[madmaxmedia]

Someone brought up Roy Jones Jr earlier. I'm a huge fan of his, so I just wanted to point out that he is arguably the most athletic person to ever compete in a combat sport and won a heavyweight title in boxing. Hes just as much of an athletic freak as someone like Zion and hes also bigger than Conor.

I'm mostly just posting out of appreciation for Roy, because he might honestly be the best fighter ever at his peak, but doesn't get that kind of recognition because the division he fought in for most of his prime wasn't that great.

Watch on YouTube

I will always remember watching his Olympic medal match live on TV. At the time there was already controversy about the judging, after the bout I was like, "Okay, this time there can be no doubt about who won that fight, Roy Jones absolutely gets the gold medal."

And then the decision was announced...

[lakerz12]

NoDope please stop this nonsense. You're talking about 20lb or something around like it was nothing... Even 6lb can be massive advantage when we're talking about elite pro fighters.

So you name, McGregor, then name Canelo, then Shogun Rua, and your final conclusion would be McGregor is pretty close to Zion's size.

Weight matters among trained fighters, why is this difficult to grasp? Weight classes exist because everyone has some level of skill, please tell me what fighting skill Zion has.

He doesn't know how to stop a takedown so the size means nothing, or the years of Royce Gracie beating guys much larger than himself didn't happen? Can Zion take a punch? Who knows, we know guys like Canelo and Connor can take punishment, we know that they know how to throw punches with their hips. Trained vs untrained the weight doesn't matter that much at all.

Plain and simple, if it were simply about being big and strong why aren't there undrafted college 300-320lbs linemen dominating the heavyweight division in UFC? Is Arena or Canadian football league money too good to pass up, or is it that it takes more to be a great fighter than being big.

Dude...

Weight, size, and strength are objective factors in a fight just like skill level is.

Skill level is more important. But weight, size, and strength are still factors that have to be accounted for.

You honestly think weight only "matters among trained fighters"? Seriously?

Why? Where is your evidence for that? That makes zero sense.

Picture two guys on a playground who both have zero training. One is 200 pounds. One is 100 pounds. You think weight doesn't matter because they aren't trained? Do you realize how stupid that sounds?

Of course weight/size/strength matters. It's always mattered. That's why they weigh the fighters because if skill is similar, size/strength/weight plays a significant factor. Guess what, if skill isn't similar - - -weight still matters. Because excessive weight/strength can sway the fight toward the guy who is less skilled. This is common knowledge.

It always plays a significant factor. It's a physical event.

Saying weight doesn't matter unless the guys are trained is the same as saying it doesn't matter if a basketball player is 7'5" unless he's trained. Of course it matters. Training expands upon the physical gifts and makes them more useful. But the physical gifts are still valuable and useful on their own, with any level of training.

Also, it doesn't take a lot of training to swing your arm at someone's head. 300 lb stud will knock out highly trained 100 lb guy. This really shouldn't need to be explained to you.

To be clear, I am not saying Zion would beat McGregor. I am saying that the idea that weight only matters when you have two trained fighters is absurd and illogical.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

NoDope please stop this nonsense. You're talking about 20lb or something around like it was nothing... Even 6lb can be massive advantage when we're talking about elite pro fighters.

So you name, McGregor, then name Canelo, then Shogun Rua, and your final conclusion would be McGregor is pretty close to Zion's size.

Weight matters among trained fighters, why is this difficult to grasp? Weight classes exist because everyone has some level of skill, please tell me what fighting skill Zion has.

He doesn't know how to stop a takedown so the size means nothing, or the years of Royce Gracie beating guys much larger than himself didn't happen? Can Zion take a punch? Who knows, we know guys like Canelo and Connor can take punishment, we know that they know how to throw punches with their hips. Trained vs untrained the weight doesn't matter that much at all.

Plain and simple, if it were simply about being big and strong why aren't there undrafted college 300-320lbs linemen dominating the heavyweight division in UFC? Is Arena or Canadian football league money too good to pass up, or is it that it takes more to be a great fighter than being big.

Dude...

Weight, size, and strength are objective factors in a fight just like skill level is.

Skill level is more important. But weight, size, and strength are still factors that have to be accounted for.

You honestly think weight only "matters among trained fighters"? Seriously?

Why? Where is your evidence for that? That makes zero sense.

Picture two guys on a playground who both have zero training. One is 200 pounds. One is 100 pounds. You think weight doesn't matter because they aren't trained? Do you realize how stupid that sounds?

Of course weight/size/strength matters. It's always mattered. That's why they weigh the fighters because if skill is similar, size/strength/weight plays a significant factor.

It always plays a significant factor. It's a physical event.

Saying weight doesn't matter unless the guys are trained is the same as saying it doesn't matter if a basketball player is 7'5" unless he's trained. Of course it matters. Training expands upon the physical gifts and makes them more useful. But the physical gifts are still valuable and useful on their own, with any level of training.

Also, it doesn't take a lot of training to swing your arm at someone's head. 300 lb stud will knock out highly trained 100 lb guy. This really shouldn't need to be explained to you.

Watch on YouTube

How much you weigh has no bearing on the punch resistance of your chin


And I'll say it one more time, trained fighters know how to move, it isn't just about punching or striking. You swing your arm at someones head and they get out the way and counter? chances are it's night night like the video above. Here's an example of the average joe throwing punches at someone who has trained a bit.....

Watch on YouTube

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[pwayknicks]

Go watch kimbo slice get slaughtered by professionals and let me know if you think Zion still has a chance


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[Braggins]

Someone brought up Roy Jones Jr earlier. I'm a huge fan of his, so I just wanted to point out that he is arguably the most athletic person to ever compete in a combat sport and won a heavyweight title in boxing. Hes just as much of an athletic freak as someone like Zion and hes also bigger than Conor.

I'm mostly just posting out of appreciation for Roy, because he might honestly be the best fighter ever at his peak, but doesn't get that kind of recognition because the division he fought in for most of his prime wasn't that great.

Watch on YouTube

I will always remember watching his Olympic medal match live on TV. At the time there was already controversy about the judging, after the bout I was like, "Okay, this time there can be no doubt about who won that fight, Roy Jones absolutely gets the gold medal."

And then the decision was announced...

Ive heard his olympic gold medal match referred to as the worst decision in amateur boxing history.

[Suprasc1]

Go watch kimbo slice get slaughtered by professionals and let me know if you think Zion still has a chance


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Vs guys his size.

That's like saying a middle school kid with a karate black belt would beat up a senior jock star athlete lmao no way sorry

[SCTwins]

McGregor is not strong man, that's what you can't understand.

If you say who wins, Zion or Overeem, Zion doesn't have a single chance. No way, he would be out in 10 seconds.

I don't think you understand how important the size and weight are in a fight. Specially when the difference is between a regular guy size and a monster.

I mean a heavyweight can knockout another like Fedor won against Hong Man Choi, but that's because Fedor was +100kg and strong enough.

You're talking about a 70kg dude. Seriously, don't debate this, it just makes you look like you have no clue about what you talking.

It’s a topic that we could debate forever until or unless such a situation actually occurred.

I understand you have experience as a Muy Tai fighter—I have experience as a wrestler. I know exactly what I’m talking about. I’ve seen and been involved in practices and training sessions where experience and technique won over shear size and strength many times. Sure it went the other way too, but you’re trying to argue that it’s impossible to overcome a size advantage. Especially in your discipline, I’m surprised that your stance is basically that the bigger guy always wins. There are so many ways to get around that—leg sweeps, attacks to the knees and torso, submissions—it isn’t a sanctioned boxing match we are talking about.

And I’m sorry man, but your arrogance in your posts is incredible. The only point you’re making that is accurate is that Zion is a giant—as in, he’s tall. You then jump to compare how CM would get destroyed by other elite professional fighters that are way out of his weight class—well yeah, of course—Zion is not an elite fighter. Zion has zero training as a fighter. He jumps high and is really tall. You also say “legendary strength” wtf are you talking about? Compared to what or whom? I’d suggest getting off your high horse because you recreationally go to a kickboxing gym.

You're now making the same fail as a lot of posters here. Yeah man, I've dominated guys who are much taller and weights more than me, because I had the superior technique.

Yeah you beat some big amateur wrestlers. Are you comparing them to Zion? For Goku's sake, there is someone in this topic who has seen Zion play? Because he absorb A LOT of contact of giants and he's like a wrecking ball in the sports with the biggest guys on earth.

He's a monster so he can only be beaten by monsters. Of course at certain weight he would be knocked out very easily, but that's only by guys of a respectable size.

Seriously, McGregor isn't strong and he is a small fighter. I mean he's strong af in his weight and he could beat all of us in seconds. Technique is very very important, but if you double on strength the other guy, it doesn't matter at all.

And don't forget strength is mass x acceleration. When you see guys like Hong Man Choi, they could have less strengh in a strike than Fedor or Crocop. I mean the have more pure strenght, but that doesn't translate to the strikes, because they moves real slow.

Zion is a very coordinate guy with a crazy speed and explosiveness for his size. Even if he makes a gorilla punch, the weight and acceleration of that punch is something McGregor's body can't take.

A gorilla punch?? Lmao. The worst thing Zion could do is throw a haymaker at a counter striker. He would touch air and then eat a shin bone.

I'm being punked, right..?

[Suprasc1]

It’s a topic that we could debate forever until or unless such a situation actually occurred.

I understand you have experience as a Muy Tai fighter—I have experience as a wrestler. I know exactly what I’m talking about. I’ve seen and been involved in practices and training sessions where experience and technique won over shear size and strength many times. Sure it went the other way too, but you’re trying to argue that it’s impossible to overcome a size advantage. Especially in your discipline, I’m surprised that your stance is basically that the bigger guy always wins. There are so many ways to get around that—leg sweeps, attacks to the knees and torso, submissions—it isn’t a sanctioned boxing match we are talking about.

And I’m sorry man, but your arrogance in your posts is incredible. The only point you’re making that is accurate is that Zion is a giant—as in, he’s tall. You then jump to compare how CM would get destroyed by other elite professional fighters that are way out of his weight class—well yeah, of course—Zion is not an elite fighter. Zion has zero training as a fighter. He jumps high and is really tall. You also say “legendary strength” wtf are you talking about? Compared to what or whom? I’d suggest getting off your high horse because you recreationally go to a kickboxing gym.

You're now making the same fail as a lot of posters here. Yeah man, I've dominated guys who are much taller and weights more than me, because I had the superior technique.

Yeah you beat some big amateur wrestlers. Are you comparing them to Zion? For Goku's sake, there is someone in this topic who has seen Zion play? Because he absorb A LOT of contact of giants and he's like a wrecking ball in the sports with the biggest guys on earth.

He's a monster so he can only be beaten by monsters. Of course at certain weight he would be knocked out very easily, but that's only by guys of a respectable size.

Seriously, McGregor isn't strong and he is a small fighter. I mean he's strong af in his weight and he could beat all of us in seconds. Technique is very very important, but if you double on strength the other guy, it doesn't matter at all.

And don't forget strength is mass x acceleration. When you see guys like Hong Man Choi, they could have less strengh in a strike than Fedor or Crocop. I mean the have more pure strenght, but that doesn't translate to the strikes, because they moves real slow.

Zion is a very coordinate guy with a crazy speed and explosiveness for his size. Even if he makes a gorilla punch, the weight and acceleration of that punch is something McGregor's body can't take.

A gorilla punch?? Lmao. The worst thing Zion could do is throw a haymaker at a counter striker. He would touch air and then eat a shin bone.

I'm being punked, right..?

That shin would break

[HeartBreakKid]

Why are people saying Zion will hit with so much weight? How much does Zion Williamsons arm weight because that's what he would be hitting with.

Arm punches don't do much damage - if Zion threw his bodyweight behind his punches that would mean something, but he's not a boxer.

Fact is - when the hell have we ever seen players in the NBA get knocked out when they fight? Even when guys fight smaller guys there is never anything close to a knock out in a basketball fight. Players in the NBA are frantic, and do the type of punches you would do when you want to give your brother a dead arm, that would never work against a 180 pound UFC champ.

Connor McGregor isn't small. Don't know why people keep saying that. He's an average size man. He has enough power in his hand to hurt a bigger person.


McGregor is a comparable size to Roy Jones Jr (even when RJJ won the HW championship he was only 192 or so). RJJ isn't small, and no NBA player in their right mind would think they could beat him up.

[ssang]

You can tell who only watches basketball and who expands their sports horizons in this thread alone. Having large muscles doesn't mean your brain isn't going to turn to mush when someone throws an accurate hammer first.

I endorse this notion, as well as the notions of any others that understand that this entire proposition, if to be taken seriously, is preposterous on its face, for exactly the reason that is alluded to here.

I would also also speculate in adding that a lack of age/life experience may be indicative in some of these folks who believe otherwise, too.

I struggle to see how any logically thinking adult male (say 25 and above) with even remedial critical thinking skills would fail to take into account that, regardless of size difference, a professionally trained blow (which means accurate, properly placed), starting from the very first hit, given from fully trained world-class professional fighter, to any area of the body unprotected by muscle (i.e face, jaw, head, knees...hell, even shins), is going to inflict an immediate bout of blinding pain, causing an instant jolt to the system to a totally untrained, completely unaccustomed person, no matter how big and strong and jacked that dude is.

And the moment that first properly executed hit takes shape, that untrained person is left entirely at the professional fighter’s mercy.

I don’t care how big and strong he is, at that point it’s lights-out for the untrained big fella, and it’s gonna be light’s out however the pro fighter damn-well pleases. A flurry of fists, elbows, knees, and/or kicks to the head and/or face for a quick knockout - conscious or otherwise; a body-part contortion that garners an instant merciful submission; you name it.

Any untrained person/big strong athlete who’s unaccustomed to fighting, I don’t care what their plan is...because, just as Mike Tyson famously stated - everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face.

One has to understand, Zion isn’t trained, not even in the slightest, to take advantage of his size and natural strength to go on the offensive. He wouldn’t be able to hit McGregor in any meaningful or impactful way. And for however untrained Zion is in going on the offensive - which is to say none - he is just as ill-prepared to avoid taking hits nor as how to defend himself to counteract any of the things McGregor would or could possibly throw at him. And like I was saying, all it would take is one shot from Connor to put Zion in a vulnerable position; a vulnerable position that he would have absolutely no answer for. The fight would be over nearly just as soon as it began.

Zion would want no part of this action.

[chitownsalesmen]

He's going to get 1 good lucky uppercut and break his face c'mon now. If that doesn't happen.. Just get on the ground and body slam him.

yeah go to the ground against a world class mma champion.

can't imagine that going bad for zion.

He fights 140lb 5'6 guys lol. 6'6 270lbs would be too strong

until mr 6'6' 270lbs gets his huge leg snapped.

[bearadonisdna]

True basketball muscle is different than fighter muscle.

Just cuz zion is built like a linebacker it doesnt mean he is stronger than a professional tailback in the hole.

Whos gonna fix his sink better?
A professional plumber
Or a harvard doctor getting instructions on google?

[mtron929]

I just don't get it. We have dozens of footage of basketball players fighting and clearly most of them cannot fight. So the correct default assumption (unless there is counter-evidence) is that Zion (while big/strong) will be a terrible fighter. Moreover, people who are saying that Zion will take McGregor to the ground... umm. the common instinct of someone who is a non-fighter is to just swing wildly. it isn't to take someone down to the ground. Finally, mentally Zion will be out of it before the fight even begins. This would be Zion's first ever fight against a professional and there is no way that he would be calm and collected in this environment.

[In SVG We Trust]

Why people here have such a low IQ? Why u still comparing Zion with some big guys of a YouTube street fight or to an average NBA player?

It's getting a pathetic discussion; one guy posted a long boring message about how adults can't understand and lacks of experience and blablabla.

Dude, I'm 30, I've been in fights with gipsies, I've been fighting in the streets since I was I kid, I've seen knifes, baseball bats. Got enough scars. Obviously you're not gonna trust me, and I wouldn't if I read something like this, for sure.

But that's the truth, and NO ONE wants to fight such a big guys. I've seen a security guard (with no longer fighter experience) grab one guy (a stupid kick boxing fighter on cocaine, very famous where I live because he's always getting troubles to the others) and go against him, grab it and throw to the floor like a potatoes bag.

I'm not saying you can compare that guy to McGregor, but how many humans can be compared to Zion?

Guys why you s**t on science? Strength=mxa. That's just the truth. And the truth is, if you don't have enough size and weight to stop it, Zion would run against you like a bull.

"But but but McGregor have a lot of experience and know the angles and he would give him a lowkick..."

I never thought some people could be that blinded by Hollywood. Man, the biggest almost always win. Those videos are famous for a reason; they are anomalies.