Trade Thread (TRADE WARS EPISODE V: The Empire Strikes Back)

[Commodor]

Does anyone here follow the Trades board? I hadn't looked in a while, and when I recently did, like half the trades are some variant of:
Warriors give: Wiggins, 2020 first round pick
Warriors get: a bunch of random garbage

Why for the Warriors: they get out of Wiggins contract and get "depth"

Am I alone in thinking this makes no sense at all? It amounts to tapping out and saying, "We aren't going to win, so who cares if we get worse, at least Lacob will save some money." It puts us in no better position to build a contender, and arguably harms those chances greatly by giving away a high 1st. And some of the variants also have us giving away the Minnesota pick for next year.

Yeah, the main takeaway I see is that there will be a very healthy trade market for the picks.

These trades are all just fans trying to get their team a great pick without giving up any real substance.

Myers will have some fun this summer, but I think any trades will be centered around the TPE+1st.

[GQ Hot Dog]

Does anyone here follow the Trades board? I hadn't looked in a while, and when I recently did, like half the trades are some variant of:
Warriors give: Wiggins, 2020 first round pick
Warriors get: a bunch of random garbage

Why for the Warriors: they get out of Wiggins contract and get "depth"

Am I alone in thinking this makes no sense at all? It amounts to tapping out and saying, "We aren't going to win, so who cares if we get worse, at least Lacob will save some money." It puts us in no better position to build a contender, and arguably harms those chances greatly by giving away a high 1st. And some of the variants also have us giving away the Minnesota pick for next year.

The basis of all the suggested trades is that Wiggins must be sold low. Of course what's being ignored is that Wiggins was already sold low, to us. So then why should we turn around and sell him low again? It's like if I buy a stock in a company after a dip in the price after a poor sales forecast. I'm going to hold onto that stock for a while hoping the company can turn the ship around. I'm not buying low to immediately resell low, I'm buying low in the hopes of being able to one day sell high.

The truth is that what Myers did trading D'lo for Wiggins and a valuable first is a win provided Wiggins fits our needs better than the Wolves needs. People on the trade board don't get that. In their mind Wiggins is bad value on every team and our trade for him was a lateral move at best, probably many think we lost the trade. In their minds, we messed up and sold D'lo low and so we need to cut our losses by selling Wiggins low and at the very least turn low quality into high quantity and pay someone in draft picks for their willingness to accommodate us.

[wco81]

I don't know is there really that much demand for Wiggins?

He was widely seen as a big bust, with a very unappealing contract.

Trying to look at teams which need more scoring from SF: Miami, Washington, Portland, Memphis, Houston, OKC, Utah (with Bogdanovic out for season).

I don't see any of these teams making a big play for a $30 million a year Wiggins.

[Coxy]

Does anyone here follow the Trades board? I hadn't looked in a while, and when I recently did, like half the trades are some variant of:
Warriors give: Wiggins, 2020 first round pick
Warriors get: a bunch of random garbage

Why for the Warriors: they get out of Wiggins contract and get "depth"

Am I alone in thinking this makes no sense at all? It amounts to tapping out and saying, "We aren't going to win, so who cares if we get worse, at least Lacob will save some money." It puts us in no better position to build a contender, and arguably harms those chances greatly by giving away a high 1st. And some of the variants also have us giving away the Minnesota pick for next year.

This has been me for the last 2 months on the T&T board about this exact type of trade.



"But that's the value of Wiggins and the 1st". Man if I read that reasoning 1 more time.......lol.

[Coxy]

I don't know is there really that much demand for Wiggins?

He was widely seen as a big bust, with a very unappealing contract.

Trying to look at teams which need more scoring from SF: Miami, Washington, Portland, Memphis, Houston, OKC, Utah (with Bogdanovic out for season).

I don't see any of these teams making a big play for a $30 million a year Wiggins.

Who cares of they want him or not? We have him, he fits as a 3rd to 4th option player for us, and can handle the ball as a 2nd/3rd initiator. Losing him now creates an enormous hole at SF, so unless something better is coming back, or he can be used to upgrade the C spot, just keep him, he'll be good.

Other than to lighten Lacobs deep deep pockets, we have no need to move him, and a LOT of reasons to keep him.

[wco81]

I'm not saying they should trade him. Just doubt that there's much of a trade market for him.

[ILOVEIT]

Just listened to an old take by Steven A Smith regarding Giannis.

Essentially he said if Durant comes back healthy to the Nets....Giannis is more likely to leave the East and join the Warriors because he knows he wouldn't be able to beat Durant and Kyrie.

His best chance at a championship is with the Warriors in that case.

[weekend_warrior]

The basis of all the suggested trades is that Wiggins must be sold low. Of course what's being ignored is that Wiggins was already sold low, to us. So then why should we turn around and sell him low again? It's like if I buy a stock in a company after a dip in the price after a poor sales forecast. I'm going to hold onto that stock for a while hoping the company can turn the ship around. I'm not buying low to immediately resell low, I'm buying low in the hopes of being able to one day sell high.

The truth is that what Myers did trading D'lo for Wiggins and a valuable first is a win provided Wiggins fits our needs better than the Wolves needs. People on the trade board don't get that. In their mind Wiggins is bad value on every team and our trade for him was a lateral move at best, probably many think we lost the trade. In their minds, we messed up and sold D'lo low and so we need to cut our losses by selling Wiggins low and at the very least turn low quality into high quantity and pay someone in draft picks for their willingness to accommodate us.

You are spot on.

I would add one thing: I think that most Warriors fans liked the improvement they saw this season from players like Paschall, Chriss, even Lee and Poole. Their stats for the entire season may not be great, but their play especially towards the end of the RS was quite promising.
For me these players aren't just mere throw-ins that need to be replaced with more expensive (!) versions of other teams benches. I am confident in them providing some solid minutes for us next year.
We have no need for these bang average players that are often an integral part of the trade proposals.

When I look at our roster, I see 3 spots we NEED to fill:

1) A solid 7ft center to fill some minutes against big teams. We did ok with Pachulia at minimum level for that. No need to pay a Vucevic 25m that doesn't even fit our play style.

2) A backup SF. Our MLE should do the job here.

3) A veteran combo guard. Hell, Alec Burks didn't look so bad for us at minimum this season.

Also there is our draft pick to fill one of these, if we decide to keep it. Or the TPE to take on some neutral value contract.

Now, if we could get a better player (that fits our style) at one of these positions by using the TPE and the pick (and maybe even the Min21), I am all for it. I haven't seen any proposals like that though.

[kingcong95]

The basis of all the suggested trades is that Wiggins must be sold low. Of course what's being ignored is that Wiggins was already sold low, to us. So then why should we turn around and sell him low again? It's like if I buy a stock in a company after a dip in the price after a poor sales forecast. I'm going to hold onto that stock for a while hoping the company can turn the ship around. I'm not buying low to immediately resell low, I'm buying low in the hopes of being able to one day sell high.

The truth is that what Myers did trading D'lo for Wiggins and a valuable first is a win provided Wiggins fits our needs better than the Wolves needs. People on the trade board don't get that. In their mind Wiggins is bad value on every team and our trade for him was a lateral move at best, probably many think we lost the trade. In their minds, we messed up and sold D'lo low and so we need to cut our losses by selling Wiggins low and at the very least turn low quality into high quantity and pay someone in draft picks for their willingness to accommodate us.

You are spot on.

I would add one thing: I think that most Warriors fans liked the improvement they saw this season from players like Paschall, Chriss, even Lee and Poole. Their stats for the entire season may not be great, but their play especially towards the end of the RS was quite promising.
For me these players aren't just mere throw-ins that need to be replaced with more expensive (!) versions of other teams benches. I am confident in them providing some solid minutes for us next year.
We have no need for these bang average players that are often an integral part of the trade proposals.

When I look at our roster, I see 3 spots we NEED to fill:

1) A solid 7ft center to fill some minutes against big teams. We did ok with Pachulia at minimum level for that. No need to pay a Vucevic 25m that doesn't even fit our play style.

2) A backup SF. Our MLE should do the job here.

3) A veteran combo guard. Hell, Alec Burks didn't look so bad for us at minimum this season.

Also there is our draft pick to fill one of these, if we decide to keep it. Or the TPE to take on some neutral value contract.

Now, if we could get a better player (that fits our style) at one of these positions by using the TPE and the pick (and maybe even the Min21), I am all for it. I haven't seen any proposals like that though.

I wouldn't mind doing something along the lines of:

To PHX: #5 or above in 2020
To GSW: Oubre, #10 in 2020 if Suns don't move up; if they do, it's a top 5 protected 2021 1st

The issue is that the other players that have been offered to us with the TPE aren't really interesting. Suns fans don't want to give up Oubre but he has too much in common with Mikal Bridges, who was traded up for, and may not want to stay in Phoenix.

Then draft Hayes, Haliburton, or Vassell with #10 to address the backup guard spot and sign a big bodied center with the MLE. Baynes (if he buys Steph a gift basket with part of his first paycheck with us) or Gasol would be the top of the list.

[GQ Hot Dog]

The basis of all the suggested trades is that Wiggins must be sold low. Of course what's being ignored is that Wiggins was already sold low, to us. So then why should we turn around and sell him low again? It's like if I buy a stock in a company after a dip in the price after a poor sales forecast. I'm going to hold onto that stock for a while hoping the company can turn the ship around. I'm not buying low to immediately resell low, I'm buying low in the hopes of being able to one day sell high.

The truth is that what Myers did trading D'lo for Wiggins and a valuable first is a win provided Wiggins fits our needs better than the Wolves needs. People on the trade board don't get that. In their mind Wiggins is bad value on every team and our trade for him was a lateral move at best, probably many think we lost the trade. In their minds, we messed up and sold D'lo low and so we need to cut our losses by selling Wiggins low and at the very least turn low quality into high quantity and pay someone in draft picks for their willingness to accommodate us.

You are spot on.

I would add one thing: I think that most Warriors fans liked the improvement they saw this season from players like Paschall, Chriss, even Lee and Poole. Their stats for the entire season may not be great, but their play especially towards the end of the RS was quite promising.
For me these players aren't just mere throw-ins that need to be replaced with more expensive (!) versions of other teams benches. I am confident in them providing some solid minutes for us next year.
We have no need for these bang average players that are often an integral part of the trade proposals.

When I look at our roster, I see 3 spots we NEED to fill:

1) A solid 7ft center to fill some minutes against big teams. We did ok with Pachulia at minimum level for that. No need to pay a Vucevic 25m that doesn't even fit our play style.

2) A backup SF. Our MLE should do the job here.

3) A veteran combo guard. Hell, Alec Burks didn't look so bad for us at minimum this season.

Also there is our draft pick to fill one of these, if we decide to keep it. Or the TPE to take on some neutral value contract.

Now, if we could get a better player (that fits our style) at one of these positions by using the TPE and the pick (and maybe even the Min21), I am all for it. I haven't seen any proposals like that though.

I wouldn't mind doing something along the lines of:

To PHX: #5 or above in 2020
To GSW: Oubre, #10 in 2020 if Suns don't move up; if they do, it's a top 5 protected 2021 1st

The issue is that the other players that have been offered to us with the TPE aren't really interesting. Suns fans don't want to give up Oubre but he has too much in common with Mikal Bridges, who was traded up for, and may not want to stay in Phoenix.

Then draft Hayes, Haliburton, or Vassell with #10 to address the backup guard spot and sign a big bodied center with the MLE. Baynes (if he buys Steph a gift basket with part of his first paycheck with us) or Gasol would be the top of the list.

I like your trade suggestion, I would take Patrick Williams at #10 although Vassell would be acceptable too. I don't think either Hayes or Haliburton will be there. Suddenly, long athletic wings would be a point of tremendous depth for us.

The only problem is that Oubre would likely be a short term answer for us. He's good enough to start on a lot of teams and talented, multi-skilled wings that don't need the ball to make an impact are highly sought after. So unless he falls in love with the organization, he's almost assuredly gone after next season for a max or near-max deal and a starting role with another team.

[TB]

Love both of those Oubre scenarios, mentioned them a few times in various threads.

My dream scenario is still the 21st FRP for Oubre, and then this years 1st and Looney for Detroit 1st and Kennard.

Wing situation solved.

[gswhoops]

Does anyone here follow the Trades board? I hadn't looked in a while, and when I recently did, like half the trades are some variant of:
Warriors give: Wiggins, 2020 first round pick
Warriors get: a bunch of random garbage

Why for the Warriors: they get out of Wiggins contract and get "depth"

Am I alone in thinking this makes no sense at all? It amounts to tapping out and saying, "We aren't going to win, so who cares if we get worse, at least Lacob will save some money." It puts us in no better position to build a contender, and arguably harms those chances greatly by giving away a high 1st. And some of the variants also have us giving away the Minnesota pick for next year.

Yup.

The MO is basically: offer whatever vets they don’t really need for Wiggins and the pick, then shout about how “Warriors fans are such homers they think Wiggins is an asset now” and “guess you’re happy wasting the rest of Curry’s prime” when we say no thanks.

[migya]

Does anyone here follow the Trades board? I hadn't looked in a while, and when I recently did, like half the trades are some variant of:
Warriors give: Wiggins, 2020 first round pick
Warriors get: a bunch of random garbage

Why for the Warriors: they get out of Wiggins contract and get "depth"

Am I alone in thinking this makes no sense at all? It amounts to tapping out and saying, "We aren't going to win, so who cares if we get worse, at least Lacob will save some money." It puts us in no better position to build a contender, and arguably harms those chances greatly by giving away a high 1st. And some of the variants also have us giving away the Minnesota pick for next year.

Unless they can get some ridiculous offer (most unlikely) I don't want to see them trade Wiggins at all. And certainly not with a 1st rd pick.

Using the Warriors' lottery pick, TWolves lottery pick and Wiggins is a must to get superstar while also getting rid of Wiggins and his way too big for a third or fourth option contract. Giannis would probably be the best player to get now but any star like player that would fit, be it a PG, SG or SF. Curry could play SG if needed, though obviously defensively it'd be awkward but it works both ways and Curry can out score most guards. Klay can play SF at 6'7.Wonder if Bradley Beal would fit well, he'd make a great scoring trio with Klay and Curry. Wonder if the Blazers think they don't have a chance to build a real contender and would trade Lillard. Maybe waiting one month into next season and seeing if Wiggins performs well is a better option.

[gobullschi]

Just listened to an old take by Steven A Smith regarding Giannis.

Essentially he said if Durant comes back healthy to the Nets....Giannis is more likely to leave the East and join the Warriors because he knows he wouldn't be able to beat Durant and Kyrie.

His best chance at a championship is with the Warriors in that case.

Steven A has been playing too much NBA 2K. How would that even work out though?

Capped out so you can’t sign him when he is an unrestricted free agent. Milwaukee is going to trade Giannis when they have a legit chance at winning a championship? I doubt it.

[FNQ]

Put it all on the line for Beal in the T&T board... basically our FRP/MIN 1st/2022 1st + Paschall/Poole for Beal and Ish Smith. Ish not necessary, but a decent 6m backup PG. Getting back to overloading the wings and stretching teams extremely thin on the perimeter to maximize Steph and Klay. Kinda like we were gonna do with DLo, but with a better player and better attitude. One last swing for the fences with Steph, Klay and Dray.

[Mylie10]

Put it all on the line for Beal in the T&T board... basically our FRP/MIN 1st/2022 1st + Paschall/Poole for Beal and Ish Smith. Ish not necessary, but a decent 6m backup PG. Getting back to overloading the wings and stretching teams extremely thin on the perimeter to maximize Steph and Klay. Kinda like we were gonna do with DLo, but with a better player and better attitude. One last swing for the fences with Steph, Klay and Dray.

Honestly, I dont hate that.

[wco81]

Beale at 2?

Then who plays the 3, Klay or Wiggins?

[Coxy]

Beale at 2?

Then who plays the 3, Klay or Wiggins?

Wiggins goes in the deal as well, FNQ forgot to add him in.

I'd be OK with the deal, but would really try to keep EP out of it. The haul is huge for Washington without Paschall.

[Chris Porter's Hair]

I'm not a fan of betting the ranch to get Beal. He's a lousy defender, and if playing him causes us to push Klay up to the 3, we also start to lose some of the defensive advantage we have now based on size. It would cost us a lot, and I'm not convinced we'd be much better, if at all.

[ChuckDurn]

I'm not a fan of betting the ranch to get Beal. He's a lousy defender, and if playing him causes us to push Klay up to the 3, we also start to lose some of the defensive advantage we have now based on size. It would cost us a lot, and I'm not convinced we'd be much better, if at all.

I agree.

I don’t think many people appreciate how having a 6’7” SG who is able to get his shot up over shorter defenders, and be able to competently guard at least 4 of the 5 positions on a switch-heavy defensive scheme during the age of pick’n’roll offenses, is basically a cheat code.