Beal to Nets with Warriors

[azwfan]

I think that Wizards would ask for Poole instead of Paschall in this deal.

Is that like a self-loathing thing or what?

Wizards are going to need guards. What are they going to do with Paschall? Are you suggesting Paschall has more value than Poole? You only need to look to last year's draft to see that Poole was drafted 28th and Paschall was drafted 41st. I get that EP put up numbers on a bad squad, but he's not as valuable as Poole.

I have some stuff to sell you, please pm immediately!

For real tho, Poole sucks man. To give an idea of how bad Poole was his rookie year - there was some question on who the worst player in the league was between him and Jacob Evans. Thats insanely bad. Luckily Poole had a good stretch (a few weeks to a month maybe?) to end the year to give us hope for the future, but #neverforget how bad he was for the majority of the season.

Putting up numbers on a bad team is better than sucking badly on a bad team.

BTW...
KAT, Booker, and Beal himself put up numbers on bad teams. Think we need to extend the conversation beyond that a tad.

Paschall has got a killer midrange game. Explosive and very strong. He is a scorer.

Weakness: 3’s (which he’s supposedly working on a set shot but didnt unveil during the season) and rebounding (which is frustrating and i honestly dont see him improving significantly).

Pooles strength: swag
Pooles weakness: basketball

Seriously though Poole doesnt do anything at an above average level (maybe free throws?).

[kingcong95]

I think that Wizards would ask for Poole instead of Paschall in this deal.

Is that like a self-loathing thing or what?

Wizards are going to need guards. What are they going to do with Paschall? Are you suggesting Paschall has more value than Poole? You only need to look to last year's draft to see that Poole was drafted 28th and Paschall was drafted 41st. I get that EP put up numbers on a bad squad, but he's not as valuable as Poole.

OK, done. Based on this year, Poole's ceiling in my wildest dreams is a 10 year career as a backup PG who gets traded several times for a 2nd or two and salary ballast.

[getrichordie]

I'm not putting a lot of stock into anything that was done on the Warriors this year. That team was really bad. Hard for any player to put up good numbers on a team when they spend the majority of their minutes playing with a Paschall, Spellman, Chriss, Burks, and a Bowman.

Also, Poole is 3 years younger than Paschall who is an undersized 4? Oversized 3? Small ball 5 at best on a contender? I'll place my bet on Poole, please and thank you.

[azwfan]

I'm not putting a lot of stock into anything that was done on the Warriors this year. That team was really bad. Hard for any player to put up good numbers on a team when they spend the majority of their minutes playing with a Paschall, Spellman, Chriss, Burks, and a Bowman.

Also, Poole is 3 years younger than Paschall who is an undersized 4? Oversized 3? Small ball 5 at best on a contender? I'll place my bet on Poole, please and thank you.

Well I sure hope you are right, cause if Poole is better than Paschall we’re gonna have another nice player. What are your feelings on Smailagic? 19 years old, 50% fg and 80% from the line. 6’10” high flying serbian.
Edit: video for reference

Watch on YouTube

[getrichordie]

I'm not putting a lot of stock into anything that was done on the Warriors this year. That team was really bad. Hard for any player to put up good numbers on a team when they spend the majority of their minutes playing with a Paschall, Spellman, Chriss, Burks, and a Bowman.

Also, Poole is 3 years younger than Paschall who is an undersized 4? Oversized 3? Small ball 5 at best on a contender? I'll place my bet on Poole, please and thank you.

Well I sure hope you are right, cause if Poole is better than Paschall we’re gonna have another nice player. What are your feelings on Smailagic? 19 years old, 50% fg and 80% from the line. 6’10” high flying serbian.
Edit: video for reference

Watch on YouTube

Haven't seen a ton of Smailagic so don't have an opinion. Not sure why him being Serbian matters... but I'll get back to you on that.

[rugbyrugger23]

Since the Warriors are giving up the vast majority of the value for Beal, I’d cut out Brooklyn and try to find another team that can give us more value/better fitting pieces for him.

Or just take Beal and move Klay to the SF. But yeah GSW is paying the price and the Nets are getting the guy.

I thought Beal to GSW has been beaten to death as a no go. Klay isn’t ideal at SF and such. But thread in itself.

To the value, Nets are giving more value in OP.

Wiggins + Wolves 2021 = Russell. I think either Dinwiddie or LeVert has equal value to Russell (maybe more).

Are you saying GSW 2020 FRP has more value than Dinwiddie or LeVert + Allen + #20 + FFRP???

[rugbyrugger23]

Since the Warriors are giving up the vast majority of the value for Beal, I’d cut out Brooklyn and try to find another team that can give us more value/better fitting pieces for him.

I would have a serious problem with being involved in a Beal trade and not getting Beal.

I mean really, the Nets are just adding the #20 and a 2022 FRP for Beal over our offer. We should be able to cover that value amount.

I am going to ask the same of both of you as TC.

To the value, Nets are giving more value in OP than Warriors.

Wiggins + Wolves 2021 = Russell. I think either Dinwiddie or LeVert [or Allen] has equal value to Russell (maybe more).

Are you saying GSW 2020 FRP has more value than Dinwiddie or LeVert + Allen + #20 + FFRP???

[Texas Chuck]

Since the Warriors are giving up the vast majority of the value for Beal, I’d cut out Brooklyn and try to find another team that can give us more value/better fitting pieces for him.

Or just take Beal and move Klay to the SF. But yeah GSW is paying the price and the Nets are getting the guy.

I thought Beal to GSW has been beaten to death as a no go. Klay isn’t ideal at SF and such. But thread in itself.

To the value, Nets are giving more value in OP.

Wiggins + Wolves 2021 = Russell. I think either Dinwiddie or LeVert has equal value to Russell (maybe more).

Are you saying GSW 2020 FRP has more value than Dinwiddie or LeVert + Allen + #20 + FFRP???

Washington is still eating Wiggins either way. And value is fluid. For the Warriors getting one of the guards and Allen for their pick is fairly reasonable because they want to win right now and those guys could help. For Washington, they'd certainly rather take their chances finding a player better than any of that pile of okay stuff plus have him under rookie contract for 4 years. Especially since they are eating Wiggins and have Wall. They need the cheap labor.

So yes absolutely I think the Warriors are providing the value that Washington would be interested in and turning lessor assets into a more premium one. Nets don't have any premium assets so they have no shot at Beal without the Warriors. And since the Warriors are trying to win now and a player like Beal absolutely helps with that they would be cutting the Nets out and quickly.

And let's pretend Klay can't play SF even though he obviously can especially in a league going increasingly small. He would only be playing 15-18 mpg there anyway since you'd want to stagger him and Beal.

But yeah Klay at SF and Beal at SG is infinitely better than Wiggins at SF and Klay at SG or Klay at SF and Levert or Dinwiddie at SG as you are proposing anyway.

[gswhoops]

I'm not putting a lot of stock into anything that was done on the Warriors this year. That team was really bad. Hard for any player to put up good numbers on a team when they spend the majority of their minutes playing with a Paschall, Spellman, Chriss, Burks, and a Bowman.

Also, Poole is 3 years younger than Paschall who is an undersized 4? Oversized 3? Small ball 5 at best on a contender? I'll place my bet on Poole, please and thank you.

Hey end of the day if you want Poole over Paschall, be my guest. Just kinda surprising.

[rugbyrugger23]

Or just take Beal and move Klay to the SF. But yeah GSW is paying the price and the Nets are getting the guy.

I thought Beal to GSW has been beaten to death as a no go. Klay isn’t ideal at SF and such. But thread in itself.

To the value, Nets are giving more value in OP.

Wiggins + Wolves 2021 = Russell. I think either Dinwiddie or LeVert has equal value to Russell (maybe more).

Are you saying GSW 2020 FRP has more value than Dinwiddie or LeVert + Allen + #20 + FFRP???

Washington is still eating Wiggins either way. And value is fluid. For the Warriors getting one of the guards and Allen for their pick is fairly reasonable because they want to win right now and those guys could help. For Washington, they'd certainly rather take their chances finding a player better than any of that pile of okay stuff plus have him under rookie contract for 4 years. Especially since they are eating Wiggins and have Wall. They need the cheap labor.

So yes absolutely I think the Warriors are providing the value that Washington would be interested in and turning lessor assets into a more premium one. Nets don't have any premium assets so they have no shot at Beal without the Warriors. And since the Warriors are trying to win now and a player like Beal absolutely helps with that they would be cutting the Nets out and quickly.

And let's pretend Klay can't play SF even though he obviously can especially in a league going increasingly small. He would only be playing 15-18 mpg there anyway since you'd want to stagger him and Beal.

But yeah Klay at SF and Beal at SG is infinitely better than Wiggins at SF and Klay at SG or Klay at SF and Levert or Dinwiddie at SG as you are proposing anyway.

You don’t really answer the question.

The whole reason I involved a third team in OP is because Nets don’t have the assets Wizards would desire. Enter Warriors.

But that doesn’t mean Warriors are paying more value. Nets still send more to way more value out than Warriors.

[Nate the Great]

Or just take Beal and move Klay to the SF. But yeah GSW is paying the price and the Nets are getting the guy.

I thought Beal to GSW has been beaten to death as a no go. Klay isn’t ideal at SF and such. But thread in itself.

To the value, Nets are giving more value in OP.

Wiggins + Wolves 2021 = Russell. I think either Dinwiddie or LeVert has equal value to Russell (maybe more).

Are you saying GSW 2020 FRP has more value than Dinwiddie or LeVert + Allen + #20 + FFRP???

Washington is still eating Wiggins either way. And value is fluid. For the Warriors getting one of the guards and Allen for their pick is fairly reasonable because they want to win right now and those guys could help. For Washington, they'd certainly rather take their chances finding a player better than any of that pile of okay stuff plus have him under rookie contract for 4 years. Especially since they are eating Wiggins and have Wall. They need the cheap labor.

So yes absolutely I think the Warriors are providing the value that Washington would be interested in and turning lessor assets into a more premium one. Nets don't have any premium assets so they have no shot at Beal without the Warriors. And since the Warriors are trying to win now and a player like Beal absolutely helps with that they would be cutting the Nets out and quickly.

And let's pretend Klay can't play SF even though he obviously can especially in a league going increasingly small. He would only be playing 15-18 mpg there anyway since you'd want to stagger him and Beal.

But yeah Klay at SF and Beal at SG is infinitely better than Wiggins at SF and Klay at SG or Klay at SF and Levert or Dinwiddie at SG as you are proposing anyway.

So, you’re just ignoring that 1. Beal plays no defense whatsoever, 2. Wiggins played very good defense for the Warriors and 3. Klay is a better defender when he plays shooting guard? Or does defense just not matter to winning basketball? That Warriors lineup would score a lot of points, but would lose more games because they’d be much worse on defense.

[Jay 20]

I'm sitting firmly on the keep Wiggins train. I have to imagine the Warriors feel this way too. They must like the fit better because as far as a trade piece I don't know that Wiggins is much better than Russell is so getting Wiggins is more about keeping and using him.

Unless Wiggins is for a crazy deal involving Giannis..

[HartfordWhalers]

Paschall >>>>>>> Poole

[Texas Chuck]

the idea that the Warriors would rather have Wiggins than Beal is not one I can take seriously. And I continue to be amazed how much stock is being put into 400 minutes on a roster nothing like the one the Warriors will employ next year---and oh yeah the very relevant detail that he wasn't even very good during those minutes.

And yes Rugby I answered the question. Just because you didn't like the answer doesn't mean you didn't get it.

[FNQ]

Since the Warriors are giving up the vast majority of the value for Beal, I’d cut out Brooklyn and try to find another team that can give us more value/better fitting pieces for him.

I would have a serious problem with being involved in a Beal trade and not getting Beal.

I mean really, the Nets are just adding the #20 and a 2022 FRP for Beal over our offer. We should be able to cover that value amount.

I am going to ask the same of both of you as TC.

To the value, Nets are giving more value in OP than Warriors.

Wiggins + Wolves 2021 = Russell. I think either Dinwiddie or LeVert [or Allen] has equal value to Russell (maybe more).

Are you saying GSW 2020 FRP has more value than Dinwiddie or LeVert + Allen + #20 + FFRP???

I’m saying what I said already: the Wizards are only getting the #20 and a 2022 FRP from the Nets over what the Warriors are providing. I’d much rather try and close that gap for the W’s than help someone else get a superstar. That it’s 2 (likely) picks in the 20s means the value gap isn’t that significant.

[azwfan]

I would have a serious problem with being involved in a Beal trade and not getting Beal.

I mean really, the Nets are just adding the #20 and a 2022 FRP for Beal over our offer. We should be able to cover that value amount.

I am going to ask the same of both of you as TC.

To the value, Nets are giving more value in OP than Warriors.

Wiggins + Wolves 2021 = Russell. I think either Dinwiddie or LeVert [or Allen] has equal value to Russell (maybe more).

Are you saying GSW 2020 FRP has more value than Dinwiddie or LeVert + Allen + #20 + FFRP???

I’m saying what I said already: the Wizards are only getting the #20 and a 2022 FRP from the Nets over what the Warriors are providing. I’d much rather try and close that gap for the W’s than help someone else get a superstar. That it’s 2 (likely) picks in the 20s means the value gap isn’t that significant.

How is Beal’s defense though? I agree, we should be looking for the “star” but I’d highly prefer one that defends.

[Nate the Great]

I am going to ask the same of both of you as TC.

To the value, Nets are giving more value in OP than Warriors.

Wiggins + Wolves 2021 = Russell. I think either Dinwiddie or LeVert [or Allen] has equal value to Russell (maybe more).

Are you saying GSW 2020 FRP has more value than Dinwiddie or LeVert + Allen + #20 + FFRP???

I’m saying what I said already: the Wizards are only getting the #20 and a 2022 FRP from the Nets over what the Warriors are providing. I’d much rather try and close that gap for the W’s than help someone else get a superstar. That it’s 2 (likely) picks in the 20s means the value gap isn’t that significant.

How is Beal’s defense though? I agree, we should be looking for the “star” but I’d highly prefer one that defends.

He’s probably the worst defensive guard in the association, at least the worst who get major minutes. He’d be great as a first player off the bench, given his ability to score, but he’s paid too well for that.

[azwfan]

I’m saying what I said already: the Wizards are only getting the #20 and a 2022 FRP from the Nets over what the Warriors are providing. I’d much rather try and close that gap for the W’s than help someone else get a superstar. That it’s 2 (likely) picks in the 20s means the value gap isn’t that significant.

How is Beal’s defense though? I agree, we should be looking for the “star” but I’d highly prefer one that defends.

He’s probably the worst defensive guard in the association, at least the worst who get major minutes. He’d be great as a first player off the bench, given his ability to score, but he’s paid too well for that.

I find that hard to believe. D’lo is the worst, i cant imagine how bad one would need to be to be worse than D’lo on defense.

[getrichordie]

How is Beal’s defense though? I agree, we should be looking for the “star” but I’d highly prefer one that defends.

He’s probably the worst defensive guard in the association, at least the worst who get major minutes. He’d be great as a first player off the bench, given his ability to score, but he’s paid too well for that.

I find that hard to believe. D’lo is the worst, i cant imagine how bad one would need to be to be worse than D’lo on defense.

Beal's defense isn't a whole lot better than Russell's but Russell is definitely one of the worst defenders in the NBA.

[FNQ]

I am going to ask the same of both of you as TC.

To the value, Nets are giving more value in OP than Warriors.

Wiggins + Wolves 2021 = Russell. I think either Dinwiddie or LeVert [or Allen] has equal value to Russell (maybe more).

Are you saying GSW 2020 FRP has more value than Dinwiddie or LeVert + Allen + #20 + FFRP???

I’m saying what I said already: the Wizards are only getting the #20 and a 2022 FRP from the Nets over what the Warriors are providing. I’d much rather try and close that gap for the W’s than help someone else get a superstar. That it’s 2 (likely) picks in the 20s means the value gap isn’t that significant.

How is Beal’s defense though? I agree, we should be looking for the “star” but I’d highly prefer one that defends.

Defense is a plus, not entirely necessary. Our roots are a team where you have to pick your poison on the perimeter.. ideal fits wont fall into our lap anymore. Or maybe they will? Who knows.. but right now Beal represents the top target IMO