payitforward wrote:Ruzious wrote:payitforward wrote:I'd be grateful for some help in understanding why both you guys are so high on Saddiq Bey.
Don't get me wrong -- I have no reason to be particularly negative about him -- not at all -- & looking at highlight reels, I see a bunch of obviously positive stuff. Above all, he hits the 3 with range, & his release is extremely quick. He also has a strong handle & can finish with either hand. He's very crafty & imaginative, slick, posting up.
But, some of his numbers really give me pause. He's a pretty poor rebounder, & he doesn't seem to pass well. Low on steals.
Mostly what you see in highlights is him making 3's & that he's a good 1-on-1 player (I wonder if the latter will translate at the next level).
Now... I haven't taken a really deep dive here! & I didn't get to see 'Nova play. So... am I missing important stuff? If so, what...?
Fits the 3 & D role perfectly for today's NBA. The importance of spacing is still underestimated by some people. How many 3's are particularly good rebounders? In today's game, 3's are asked first to get up and down court quickly in transition - that gives them fewer opportunities to rebound. I'd like it if he got more steals, but from what I've seen, he's a good defender - with really good size - at 6'8 220ish - and that size allows him to switch defensively on all kinds of players. Another thing I like about him - he was improving as the season wore on. And look around the NBA, and there really aren't a lot of high quality 3's that make a high volume of 3's at a good percentage.
...Independent of Bey & of your comments on him specifically, I want to respond to this...Ruzious wrote:How many 3's are particularly good rebounders? In today's game, 3's are asked first to get up and down court quickly in transition - that gives them fewer opportunities to rebound....
...because this kind of thing is starting to drive me nuts.
First we get I_Like_Dirt saying that 4s (i.e. like Rui) don't have to rebound, now 3s aren't good rebounders. &, of course, the days of the big-rebounding Center are long gone. Not to mention that if someone points out that a guy is a good rebounder for a guard the response is almost always that it doesn't mean anything.
Games have no fewer rebounds than they ever did. Teams still only put 5 guys on the court. A rebound has the same value it has always had (until the basic rules of the game change, that value can't change). Identical. Permanent. Unchanging.
To the exact degree that someone at a position is less of a rebounder than someone else at the same position he is simply less good at the position. Other things may make him better of course, but he'll have to overcome the deficit of being less good at rebounding the ball for those other things to make him the better player. Period.
What is this a list of: Cleveland Cavaliers, Atlanta Hawks, Phoenix Suns, Golden State Warriors, Sacramento Kings, Detroit Pistons, Charlotte Hornets, Washington Wizards, Chicago Bulls?
Those are the 9 worst defensive rebounding teams in the league this season. Combined record 197-379.
Pif Pif Pif, now you're saying defensive rebounding is the end all and be all? Didn't you used to say defensive rebounds are basically nothing compared to offensive rebounds? The answer is yes, you did. Why the change? Because if fits your current argument?
I know you're not going to listen, but players that go for offensive rebounds often hurt their team because if they miss - their man is going downcourt for an easy fast-break dunk. When small forwards go for defensive rebounds, that indicates a problem with the 4 and 5, because the 3 could be running downcourt to get fastbreak points. I'd rather see Troy Brown, Jr running downcourt for a layup than having to help out Rui and Bertans on the defensive boards. A guy like Westbrook trying to get rebounding stats for himself is going to hurt his team just as much as he helps it.
Here's an article that I pretty much agree with. https://collegebasketball.nbcsports.com/2020/04/26/saddiq-bey-2020-nba-draft-propsect-breakdown/