2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 4)

Gravy · Post #1861 » by **Gravy** » Mon May 25, 2020 4:48 pm

It's not necessarily will we be a playoff team, its how long will we be in playoff contention throughout the year. If they are within a shot of the 8th seed they will keep trying to win.

If you want the worst record you pretty much have to start tanking in the first month of the season and hope all our draft picks look like busts.

newyorker4ever · Post #1862 » by **newyorker4ever** » Mon May 25, 2020 4:58 pm

NY 567 wrote:
Naughtyfatboy wrote:
NY 567 wrote:We'd be lucky to miss out on this player. People who think this is another Doncic or even Trae Young are going to be in for a shocking surprise. There are too many things he cant do at an NBA level. I know this isn't the strongest draft, but the hype this kid is getting is flat out bizarre

The same Trae young the board swore was to small to make a impact? While hyping up mo bamba and Mikal Bridges?

Lamelo has elite NBA handles and Elite level nba playmaking both of which the Knicks could use right now. Even if he’s not a great shooter he’s got the potential to be a good enough scorer in the NBA and isn’t hesitant to take the shots.

The only point guard in the draft you can really even put close to lamelo is Hayes who’s pretty good all around but 29% from 3 with a slower dribble package is nothing to really flex about either.

Cole nor hailburton are as skilled as either guy but I do feel these are safer pickS For the Knicks.

There were doubts about Trae but I don't think anyone questioned the fact that he had potential as a big time offensive player. Lamelo has stellar playmaking and size but that's all the kid has. He has huge red flags in three categories, three of the biggest categories in the sport. A guy who can't shoot, score, or defend isn't a lottery pick regardless of position and regardless of the caliber of draft. A guy who is a sub 40/30 shooter who can't defend anyone in a league that is frankly a very weak pro league in the NBL. If he was having problems shooting, scoring, and defending as an 18 year old in the Euroleague then I'd get it. If he had problems even in some of the more middling European pro leagues, then I'd still give him the benefit of the doubt. But the NBL? Nah, that's not a good look.

There were definitely multiple people on here that had doubts about T.Young making it in the NBA.

I can't even believe that there's still people talking about comparing L.Ball to Young and Doncic just because one person made a post about it. Both are horrible comparisons and play totally different games then Ball plays at this point.

robillionaire · Post #1863 » by **robillionaire** » Mon May 25, 2020 5:01 pm

Gravy wrote:It's not necessarily will we be a playoff team, its how long will we be in playoff contention throughout the year. If they are within a shot of the 8th seed they will keep trying to win.

If you want the worst record you pretty much have to start tanking in the first month of the season and hope all our draft picks look like busts.

I don't even need the top pick i'm good anywhere in the top 10 there's a lot of players I like in that draft

Zenzibar · Post #1864 » by **Zenzibar** » Mon May 25, 2020 5:03 pm

Gravy wrote:It's not necessarily will we be a playoff team, its how long will we be in playoff contention throughout the year. If they are within a shot of the 8th seed they will keep trying to win.

If you want the worst record you pretty much have to start tanking in the first month of the season and hope all our draft picks look like busts.

Or take an expiring from a team on the cusp of luxury tax hell and acquire an unconditional 2021 or at the minimum top 3 protected.

Then the team can start winning knowing they have three 1st round picks from different teams next year. Then let Frank Zanin and Walt Perrin go to work.

Post #1865 » by **Deeeez Knicks** » Mon May 25, 2020 5:07 pm

Gravy wrote:It's not necessarily will we be a playoff team, its how long will we be in playoff contention throughout the year. If they are within a shot of the 8th seed they will keep trying to win.

If you want the worst record you pretty much have to start tanking in the first month of the season and hope all our draft picks look like busts.

Let the younger players we drafted lead the way, with 1 to 3 vets sprinkled in as complimentary pieces and let the chips fall where they may. We will probably be in the lottery, but if we are in playoff contention let it be because of our younger/core players.

newyorker4ever · Post #1866 » by **newyorker4ever** » Mon May 25, 2020 5:17 pm

knickstape21 wrote:Hard not to like LaMelo Ball. He’s electric and the Knicks neeeeeed some juice.

Just worried about the media stuff and Lavar. Whether you dismiss it or not, there will be quotes that the media will hammer on.

“Lavar says Barrett needs to ‘take a seat’ after rough 3 game stretch”

ESPN, bleacher report, everyone just hammering at that crap. No matter how you slice it, this won’t be good.

But it's the NY media and they will always find something to hammer the Knicks about no matter if we get Ball or whoever we draft. We could be playing over expectations and the NY media will find things to hammer the Knicks about.

Gravy · Post #1867 » by **Gravy** » Mon May 25, 2020 5:23 pm

Deeeez Knicks wrote:
Gravy wrote:It's not necessarily will we be a playoff team, its how long will we be in playoff contention throughout the year. If they are within a shot of the 8th seed they will keep trying to win.

If you want the worst record you pretty much have to start tanking in the first month of the season and hope all our draft picks look like busts.

Let the younger players we drafted lead the way, with 1 to 3 vets sprinkled in as complimentary pieces and let the chips fall where they may. We will probably be in the lottery, but if we are in playoff contention let it be because of our younger/core players.

Its tough to predict because we don't know what Leon Rose wants to do. My guess is Knox, Frank, Trier, Dotson are the past regimes players and wont get much playing time. RJ and Mitch will have to prove themselves or they will get benched eventually too. If we draft an "alpha" like Cole, Ball, or Edwards they will start day 1. If we draft a project type like Hayes, Haliburton they will share time with more vet point guards.

newyorker4ever · Post #1868 » by **newyorker4ever** » Mon May 25, 2020 5:34 pm

Gravy wrote:
Deeeez Knicks wrote:
Gravy wrote:It's not necessarily will we be a playoff team, its how long will we be in playoff contention throughout the year. If they are within a shot of the 8th seed they will keep trying to win.

If you want the worst record you pretty much have to start tanking in the first month of the season and hope all our draft picks look like busts.

Let the younger players we drafted lead the way, with 1 to 3 vets sprinkled in as complimentary pieces and let the chips fall where they may. We will probably be in the lottery, but if we are in playoff contention let it be because of our younger/core players.

Its tough to predict because we don't know what Leon Rose wants to do. My guess is Knox, Frank, Trier, Dotson are the past regimes players and wont get much playing time. RJ and Mitch will have to prove themselves or they will get benched eventually too. If we draft an "alpha" like Cole, Ball, or Edwards they will start day 1. If we draft a project type like Hayes, Haliburton they will share time with more vet point guards.

Every player on the team is the past regimes players.

HarthorneWingo · Post #1869 » by **HarthorneWingo** » Mon May 25, 2020 5:43 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:
Richard4444 wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:
Yeah, make him the primary ball handler. Wait ..

Sorry, I am foreign. How do I name the player who has the ball in his hand most of the time? Main ball handler?

You call them Tom Brady

I wish I could say mine was Jennifer Garner

malik959 · Post #1870 » by **malik959** » Mon May 25, 2020 5:45 pm

O.k I would like to know how much is this years #1 pick? I'm asking not because I want Melo (Don't want) but because I went to the Golden State board and they said to trade with the Knicks they want our 6th, next years pick and 2 Dallas picks. The ****???? This weak draft's #1 is barely even worth the #6 and #27th. Next years draft is ten times better than this year so 2021's 10th pick could be better than this years top 3.

Post #1871 » by **Deeeez Knicks** » Mon May 25, 2020 5:46 pm

Haliburton can shoot and pass with a high IQ, but he does seem more like a glue/role/secondary playmaker type. He may never be a big scorer or put up big numbers..just doesn't seem like the aggressive or attacking type of G. Can do a little bit of everything, play smart with efficiency.

I still like Haliburton. Worth a pick in our 6 to 10 range imo. Just would temper expectations for anyone we draft in that range. Seems like we are looking at more of a solid starter type, which we could certainly use.

You never know though with ceilings.

Read on Twitter

HarthorneWingo · Post #1872 » by **HarthorneWingo** » Mon May 25, 2020 5:46 pm

malik959 wrote:
Naughtyfatboy wrote:
HEZI wrote:
His shot is not slow at all whatsoever. Not sure what you are seeing but he has one of the quickest releases out there. Very little motion and doesn't even dip the ball and he lets the fly in a split second.

His release is quick the wind up form into the release is dreadful. Actually pulling that off when he has to put the ball on the floor and create off the bounce and shoot off screens might be hard to watch Once he hits the NBA.. Even in the pick and roll he sheds some weaknesses he is shy of contact When he drives (more of a strength issue) never goes left and doesn’t shoot much free throws. So he will be really reliant on the jumper, if he can still shoot it at a high level in the NBA great if not his game becomes watered down by a lot imo

He is a system player to me somebody you really draft when you have a team already in place that has a decent form of structure/playstyle and looking for another glue piece to fit into it. He would look really good on the hawks next to Trae young Or on the warriors.

I’d take him because I really like his chances of being a high quality elite role player but not because he rubs off as BPA.

He has a push shot that is released at his head instead of being fully extended out. Because of that it is very quick. He's actually very good with it that you wonder if it would be a bad idea to change it

We have to let him test out his own skills and when it’s clear that there’s an issue, then you see what needs be changed imo

Gravy · Post #1873 » by **Gravy** » Mon May 25, 2020 5:48 pm

newyorker4ever wrote:
Gravy wrote:
Deeeez Knicks wrote:
Let the younger players we drafted lead the way, with 1 to 3 vets sprinkled in as complimentary pieces and let the chips fall where they may. We will probably be in the lottery, but if we are in playoff contention let it be because of our younger/core players.

Its tough to predict because we don't know what Leon Rose wants to do. My guess is Knox, Frank, Trier, Dotson are the past regimes players and wont get much playing time. RJ and Mitch will have to prove themselves or they will get benched eventually too. If we draft an "alpha" like Cole, Ball, or Edwards they will start day 1. If we draft a project type like Hayes, Haliburton they will share time with more vet point guards.

Every player on the team is the past regimes players.

When new management comes in

HEZI · Post #1874 » by **HEZI** » Mon May 25, 2020 5:54 pm

Watch on YouTube

He's a very unique player and that's what makes him so intriguing

Guano · Post #1875 » by **Guano** » Mon May 25, 2020 5:55 pm

after extensive research - watched about 15 mins of a live college game(Cole Anthony looked terrible) and a couple highlight vids with terrible music, skimming a few articles, perusing twitter, glossing over these threads- I've come to the infallible conclusion that the Knicks should draft that Hayes kid.*

*disclaimer- my opinion is subject to change on mood or more information. The former tends to be more influential.

robillionaire · Post #1876 » by **robillionaire** » Mon May 25, 2020 5:59 pm

malik959 wrote:O.k I would like to know how much is this years #1 pick? I'm asking not because I want Melo (Don't want) but because I went to the Golden State board and they said to trade with the Knicks they want our 6th, next years pick and 2 Dallas picks. The ****???? This weak draft's #1 is barely even worth the #6 and #27th. Next years draft is ten times better than this year so 2021's 10th pick could be better than this years top 3.

I’m sure they want that just like we want to give them nothing for it. The reality is somewhere in between

Also they only have a 14% chance of having said pick so they should probably pump the brakes

HEZI · Post #1877 » by **HEZI** » Mon May 25, 2020 6:24 pm

Deeeez Knicks wrote:Haliburton can shoot and pass with a high IQ, but he does seem more like a glue/role/secondary playmaker type. He may never be a big scorer or put up big numbers..just doesn't seem like the aggressive or attacking type of G. Can do a little bit of everything, play smart with efficiency.

I still like Haliburton. Worth a pick in our 6 to 10 range imo. Just would temper expectations for anyone we draft in that range. Seems like we are looking at more of a solid starter type, which we could certainly use.

You never know though with ceilings.

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I actually love that play. He looks to attack the right side early in the shot clock, the defense shifts over to that strong side, he recognizes that it's sealed off so he swings the ball back over to the other wing who has a lane to attack on the left. Imagine that guy he passed it to is RJ Barrett who now has a lane to go attack left where he loves to go to. Imagine that the guy under the basket is Mitchell Robinson who is waiting to either catch the lob from RJ driving and his man coming over to help or he's waiting to clean up the offensive glass. Easy play, not much clock wasted, no forced shot, just simple ball. Even if RJ gets sealed off on his drive there is plenty of time on the clock left to reset and go into another play. RJ's style is even if that lane gets sealed off he's going to try to attack you or turn around and back you down so if Haliburton's guy drops down even a little bit, there is room to hit Haliburton on the outside for the deep 3 ball. Quick and fast decision making, read and react, floor balance, it's a simple game really. As long as he's not a deer in the headlights and isn't shy to shoot from outside while maintaining a good percentage he's going to be just fine.

god shammgod · Post #1878 » by **god shammgod** » Mon May 25, 2020 6:27 pm

Deeeez Knicks wrote:Haliburton can shoot and pass with a high IQ, but he does seem more like a glue/role/secondary playmaker type. He may never be a big scorer or put up big numbers..just doesn't seem like the aggressive or attacking type of G. Can do a little bit of everything, play smart with efficiency.

I still like Haliburton. Worth a pick in our 6 to 10 range imo. Just would temper expectations for anyone we draft in that range. Seems like we are looking at more of a solid starter type, which we could certainly use.

You never know though with ceilings.

Read on Twitter

i just don't like this mentality. it's playing it safe. why do that ? we have no franchise players. why draft someone who almost nobody thinks can be one ? i understand, it's not as easy to find 6-10. but teams do. you got to be in it to win it.

thebuzzardman · Post #1879 » by **thebuzzardman** » Mon May 25, 2020 6:40 pm

god shammgod wrote:
Deeeez Knicks wrote:Haliburton can shoot and pass with a high IQ, but he does seem more like a glue/role/secondary playmaker type. He may never be a big scorer or put up big numbers..just doesn't seem like the aggressive or attacking type of G. Can do a little bit of everything, play smart with efficiency.

I still like Haliburton. Worth a pick in our 6 to 10 range imo. Just would temper expectations for anyone we draft in that range. Seems like we are looking at more of a solid starter type, which we could certainly use.

You never know though with ceilings.

Read on Twitter

i just don't like this mentality. it's playing it safe. why do that ? we have no franchise players. why draft someone who almost nobody thinks can be one ? i understand, it's not as easy to find 6-10. but teams do. you got to be in it to win it.

So, you're enjoying "shoot for the moon", "might develop" Knox, over SGA, right now?

god shammgod · Post #1880 » by **god shammgod** » Mon May 25, 2020 6:44 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:
god shammgod wrote:
Deeeez Knicks wrote:Haliburton can shoot and pass with a high IQ, but he does seem more like a glue/role/secondary playmaker type. He may never be a big scorer or put up big numbers..just doesn't seem like the aggressive or attacking type of G. Can do a little bit of everything, play smart with efficiency.

I still like Haliburton. Worth a pick in our 6 to 10 range imo. Just would temper expectations for anyone we draft in that range. Seems like we are looking at more of a solid starter type, which we could certainly use.

You never know though with ceilings.

Read on Twitter

i just don't like this mentality. it's playing it safe. why do that ? we have no franchise players. why draft someone who almost nobody thinks can be one ? i understand, it's not as easy to find 6-10. but teams do. you got to be in it to win it.

So, you're enjoying "shoot for the moon", "might develop" Knox, over SGA, right now?

one example doesn't mean much. there's examples both ways. it's how smart/lucky the guy is who's doing the picking.