Anyone old enough to remember Magic getting HIV?

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Re: Anyone old enough to remember Magic getting HIV? 

Post#61 » by Doctor MJ » Mon May 25, 2020 5:22 pm

dhsilv2 wrote:There wasn't an internet full of trolls back then. It was just shocking and confusing. But it was also a pretty quick story and then people discussed it with people who they knew....hard to really compare to today.

Basically it was like so magic is going to die soon, and next at 8 why your kids will die of something or you should be scared (news otherwise was the same).


Ain't that the truth. We're a different people now, and this troll-culture and its other analogues is killing us.

It's funny, when we first got mass access to the internet, I thought it really made us a better people. But once the social web went mainstream, it all curdled.
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Re: Anyone old enough to remember Magic getting HIV? 

Post#62 » by mccluskey » Mon May 25, 2020 5:59 pm

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dhsilv2 wrote:There wasn't an internet full of trolls back then. It was just shocking and confusing. But it was also a pretty quick story and then people discussed it with people who they knew....hard to really compare to today.

Basically it was like so magic is going to die soon, and next at 8 why your kids will die of something or you should be scared (news otherwise was the same).


Ain't that the truth. We're a different people now, and this troll-culture and its other analogues is killing us.

It's funny, when we first got mass access to the internet, I thought it really made us a better people. But once the social web went mainstream, it all curdled.


100% agree man, the internet and social media were great at first and have now turned into some of the most divisive and dangerous things in human history. Now it's just a giant hive mind of unchecked emotion out there with almost no attempts at reason or logical thinking, and crazy people who used to have no outlet for their ideas can now band together with like minded morons across the country and hijack and poison any news or narrative.
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Re: Anyone old enough to remember Magic getting HIV? 

Post#63 » by MotownMadness » Mon May 25, 2020 6:06 pm

The Rodzilla wrote:yes it was a death sentence, this ad scared me as a kid ffs


Yeah thats a frightening ad
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Re: Anyone old enough to remember Magic getting HIV? 

Post#64 » by MotownMadness » Mon May 25, 2020 6:07 pm

I was only 6 at the time
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Re: Anyone old enough to remember Magic getting HIV? 

Post#65 » by dhsilv2 » Mon May 25, 2020 9:04 pm

Doctor MJ wrote:
dhsilv2 wrote:There wasn't an internet full of trolls back then. It was just shocking and confusing. But it was also a pretty quick story and then people discussed it with people who they knew....hard to really compare to today.

Basically it was like so magic is going to die soon, and next at 8 why your kids will die of something or you should be scared (news otherwise was the same).


Ain't that the truth. We're a different people now, and this troll-culture and its other analogues is killing us.

It's funny, when we first got mass access to the internet, I thought it really made us a better people. But once the social web went mainstream, it all curdled.


I still recall AOL days discussing N64 vs PSX...even then I didn't realize how toxic things were going to get and that was pretty toxic.

But at the same time to this question, I think there's something to how today we do in a way get a better feeling for how people feel. It's biased and skewed and messy, but we if we REALLY try can read between the lines. So maybe there's something good here in this sea of well..sewage.
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Re: Anyone old enough to remember Magic getting HIV? 

Post#66 » by SSUBluesman » Mon May 25, 2020 10:01 pm

Yes.

There was a significant level of homophobia and racism about it through the 80's (as evidenced by the despicable lack of response by the US federal government). There was also a lot of fear and paranoia around transmission which was what led to his unneeded retirement.
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Re: Anyone old enough to remember Magic getting HIV? 

Post#67 » by BladeDaywalker » Mon May 25, 2020 10:09 pm

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axeman23 wrote:Yeah, at the time the line in most people's minds between HIV and AIDS were much more blurred, and it was widely viewed as somewhat of a death sentence, as others have mentioned. As far as other players went, Isaiah's attitude toward Magic/HIV get slammed now, but I don't think they were even remotely comparable to Tim Hardaway's stance on gay people...

Meh tim Hardaway just doesn't agree with homosexuality, millions have that view


Actually, if you look at Hardaway these day, he changed a lot in term of his view toward the LGBT community.

He even admitted in an interview back in 2017 that his past remarks were hurtful and made him cringe.

He is a good example of how people have evolved on the issue of LGBT rights compared to the beliefs they held in the 1980s, 90s, and early 2000s.
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Re: Anyone old enough to remember Magic getting HIV? 

Post#68 » by The Rebel » Mon May 25, 2020 10:57 pm

The media and some people talk about remembering where they were when Jordan announced his 1st retirement, I don't remember where I even heard it but it had been rumored for a few days before it happened. With Magic we just knew that he had been out sick for a few days, I rushed home from school that day and caught the beginning of his speech. I had not even sat down when the announcement was made.

One thing younger people today do not really understand is how HIV and aids were thought of back then. There was a guy down the street who had aids for a couple of years before he died and had been HIV positive for a couple of years before that, so I knew it took time, but nobody thought he would survive longer than a few years. Watching what happened to teh guy down the street was scary as could be, he literally wasted away, went from a body builder type to looking anorexic just prior to his death. I did not want to watch Magic or anybody else go through that again, but especially Magic since he was one of my childhood heros like many of my generation.

Oddly his getting HIV was key to the treatment for patients and public acceptance that people with HIV experience now. Prior to that nobody knew much about how to get it, there were rumors it was gay sex only, it was blood transfusions, sharing drug needles, and some who insisted on straight sex being possible. The research was limited he raised millions upon millions for research. The public knowledge was even more limited, everybody especially kids and their parents started learning everything they could about HIV, Aids, and all that goes with it. I also knew a lot of guys who started wearing condoms religiously after that. There is no way to measure the lives he has saved and the knowledge we gained from him becoming HIV positive, so there is some silver lining to him going through what he did.
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Re: Anyone old enough to remember Magic getting HIV? 

Post#69 » by Pinkyring » Mon May 25, 2020 11:20 pm

2012NadalShadow wrote:
Pinkyring wrote:
axeman23 wrote:Yeah, at the time the line in most people's minds between HIV and AIDS were much more blurred, and it was widely viewed as somewhat of a death sentence, as others have mentioned. As far as other players went, Isaiah's attitude toward Magic/HIV get slammed now, but I don't think they were even remotely comparable to Tim Hardaway's stance on gay people...

Meh tim Hardaway just doesn't agree with homosexuality, millions have that view


Actually, if you look at Hardaway these day, he changed a lot in term of his view toward the LGBT community.

He even admitted in an interview back in 2017 that his past remarks were hurtful and made him cringe.

He is a good example of how people have evolved on the issue of LGBT rights compared to the beliefs they held in the 1980s, 90s, and early 2000s.

Peoples core views don't change in their 40s and 50s, I'm 36 i don't agree with homosexuality, that won't change but i don't spew hate
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Re: Anyone old enough to remember Magic getting HIV? 

Post#70 » by HMFFL » Tue May 26, 2020 12:09 am

Pinkyring wrote:
2012NadalShadow wrote:
Pinkyring wrote:Meh tim Hardaway just doesn't agree with homosexuality, millions have that view


Actually, if you look at Hardaway these day, he changed a lot in term of his view toward the LGBT community.

He even admitted in an interview back in 2017 that his past remarks were hurtful and made him cringe.

He is a good example of how people have evolved on the issue of LGBT rights compared to the beliefs they held in the 1980s, 90s, and early 2000s.

Peoples core views don't change in their 40s and 50s, I'm 36 i don't agree with homosexuality, that won't change but i don't spew hate
People can and do change depe ding on the experiences they have as life goes on. In Tim Hardaway'a case I believe he's done what he can to improve his image to help him get back involved in the game. It hasn't helped!

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