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Post#101 » by Daver » Tue May 26, 2020 1:07 pm

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I don't see the point of doing it right now other than to help Lebron


Absolutely agree with you this whole set up stinks of laker favoritism(my friend thinks its all a NBA conspiracy to make sure the fake show gets to the championship kinda like a bryant tribute).
With the teams in this scenerio the bucks would have to potentially go through to make the finals in comparison to the teams LA would need to go through i absolutely would say it favors the lakers.
1-8 east teams orlando 1-8 west teams phoenix or vegas finals in orlando.
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There's absolutely no reason to use 2 different locations given the logistics involved. It will all be in Orlando. And they won't be doing any kind of seed changes. They want the playoffs to be as "normal" as possible.


So then the way its set up now or talked about 1-16 2-15 etc as it happened in the NBA draft with the lakers just some how jumping up to 4 now comes this where they basically would have a absolutely damn near cake walk path to the finals while the bucks unless i misread the their bracket would be absolutely BRUTAL seems fair
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Post#102 » by Daver » Tue May 26, 2020 1:10 pm

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I don't see the point of doing it right now other than to help Lebron


Absolutely agree with you this whole set up stinks of laker favoritism(my friend thinks its all a NBA conspiracy to make sure the fake show gets to the championship kinda like a bryant tribute).
With the teams in this scenerio the bucks would have to potentially go through to make the finals in comparison to the teams LA would need to go through i absolutely would say it favors the lakers.
1-8 east teams orlando 1-8 west teams phoenix or vegas finals in orlando.
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There's absolutely no reason to use 2 different locations given the logistics involved. It will all be in Orlando. And they won't be doing any kind of seed changes. They want the playoffs to be as "normal" as possible.



So i dont misunderstand explain to me "no seed changes" please and how that plays out cause 1-16 etc is not normal
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Post#103 » by MickeyDavis » Tue May 26, 2020 1:44 pm

The playoffs will be the same format they always are. East 1-8, West 1-8'. East vs. West in the finals. There may very well be some kind of play in for the final couple of seeds. But that's the only variation. All of the speculation about 1-16 is just that, speculation. It won't actually happen.
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Post#104 » by jschligs » Tue May 26, 2020 1:52 pm

MickeyDavis wrote:The playoffs will be the same format they always are. East 1-8, West 1-8'. East vs. West in the finals. There may very well be some kind of play in for the final couple of seeds. But that's the only variation. All of the speculation about 1-16 is just that, speculation. It won't actually happen.


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Post#105 » by MVP2110 » Tue May 26, 2020 2:00 pm

As far as the projected timeline of the Finals ending in late September, along with the draft, & free agency, that will be a hectic (hopefully exciting) few weeks for Bucks fans
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Post#106 » by DingleJerry » Tue May 26, 2020 3:09 pm

I saw yesterday the league wants to get to 70 regular season games to fulfill their local TV deals and not have to pay back that money (or not got it, whatever the logistics are). Surprised I didn't see it mentioned here when running through. I agree the simpler thing is to just move to the playoffs as you can take out a lot of humans from the equation, it saves time, those teams aren't going to care anyway, etc. But the money talks.

IDK, maybe there is a way they could make a deal that the regional networks somehow get whatever small "play in" tourney there is for the last few seeds. Maybe something like that could be negotiated?
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Post#107 » by vital_signs » Tue May 26, 2020 3:21 pm

Guess I am in the minority but I would thoroughly enjoy 1-16 seeding this year and years after.
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Post#108 » by DingleJerry » Tue May 26, 2020 3:29 pm

vital_signs wrote:Guess I am in the minority but I would thoroughly enjoy 1-16 seeding this year and years after.


In general, I don't think I'd be opposed to that format down the line. I'd lean towards keeping the current format, but not too passionate about it. I like the sometimes regional rivalries that can come from it, the game theory of building your teams knowing you're going to have to face this and that team in the playoffs.

But I'd definitely be against changing the system on the fly like this. Besides the fact that it clearly hurts the Bucks chances, I just think it's wrong on principle to do it. If you're gong to have a 16 team tournament there is no reason to not play in the same format that was agreed to by everyone going into the year.
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Post#109 » by MickeyDavis » Tue May 26, 2020 3:34 pm

^^^ Absolutely. Baseball is changing things up (if they play) for divisions/playoffs but they haven't started playing yet. NBA was almost done.
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Post#110 » by WeekapaugGroove » Tue May 26, 2020 3:40 pm

On the off-season timing I think this would be a good opportunity to try putting FA before the draft. IMO the perfect way would be to start FA on a Friday or Saturday then have the draft that Thursday. This way most of the big priority FAs sign prior to the draft but you'd still get a second wave of role players signing after teams know what they got in the draft.

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Post#111 » by tski1972 » Tue May 26, 2020 3:43 pm

WeekapaugGroove wrote:On the off-season timing I think this would be a good opportunity to try putting FA before the draft. IMO the perfect way would be to start FA on a Friday or Saturday then have the draft that Thursday. This way most of the big priority FAs sign prior to the draft but you'd still get a second wave of role players signing after teams know what they got in the draft.

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Post#112 » by MickeyDavis » Tue May 26, 2020 3:44 pm

WeekapaugGroove wrote:On the off-season timing I think this would be a good opportunity to try putting FA before the draft. IMO the perfect way would be to start FA on a Friday or Saturday then have the draft that Thursday. This way most of the big priority FAs sign prior to the draft but you'd still get a second wave of role players signing after teams know what they got in the draft.

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I'd like to see this as well. Football does FA before the draft, and then after the draft you fill in the roster with the remaining FA's.
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Post#113 » by StickeeFingaz » Tue May 26, 2020 3:57 pm

Not a fan of the "group stage" idea presented by KOC this morning; doesn't give enough of a reward to the top regular season teams before the suspension.
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Post#114 » by WeekapaugGroove » Tue May 26, 2020 5:45 pm

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WeekapaugGroove wrote:On the off-season timing I think this would be a good opportunity to try putting FA before the draft. IMO the perfect way would be to start FA on a Friday or Saturday then have the draft that Thursday. This way most of the big priority FAs sign prior to the draft but you'd still get a second wave of role players signing after teams know what they got in the draft.

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I'd like to see this as well. Football does FA before the draft, and then after the draft you fill in the roster with the remaining FA's.
Yeah works well for football. I do think the gap between FA and the draft is a little too long in the NFL and NBA players and agents would want a shorter period so their role player types don't sit in limbo too long.

I think part of the reason the NBA does it right after the season is they want summer league to be that 1st week in July but if they end up changing the schedule of the season/playoffs in future years it would be a good time to make the draft / fa change too. At least give it a try this off-season.

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Post#115 » by MickeyDavis » Tue May 26, 2020 6:11 pm

Agreed, summer league is a big reason the draft comes first and is right after the finals. Football has a long gap because they spread out their off season events to keep interest in the league up. Basketball offseason is so short. Free agency, the combine, various college pro days, the draft, mini camps, training camp and finally the season. The NFL draft is 2 1/2 months after the Super Bowl.
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Post#116 » by JayMKE » Tue May 26, 2020 6:31 pm

Never thought I'd actually miss David Stern. Group stage would be a completely and total abomination, our near 70 win season would be declared completely meaningless. They already took home court, now they want to completely stack the deck!?! This is all because they want Zion in the playoffs and a possible LA vs LA finals.
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Post#117 » by tonyreyes123 » Tue May 26, 2020 6:34 pm

JayMKE wrote:Never thought I'd actually miss David Stern. Group stage would be a completely and total abomination, our near 70 win season would be declared completely meaningless. They already took home court, now they want to completely stack the deck!?! This is all because they want Zion in the playoffs and a possible LA vs LA finals.




Lol stop whining dude, it’s an unconventional almost lost season here’s the chance to test out a new format
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Post#118 » by Reddeye » Tue May 26, 2020 6:35 pm

Looking like the NBA wants a Lakers Clippers final.
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Post#119 » by JayMKE » Tue May 26, 2020 6:38 pm

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JayMKE wrote:Never thought I'd actually miss David Stern. Group stage would be a completely and total abomination, our near 70 win season would be declared completely meaningless. They already took home court, now they want to completely stack the deck!?! This is all because they want Zion in the playoffs and a possible LA vs LA finals.




Lol stop whining dude, it’s an unconventional almost lost season here’s the chance to test out a new format

It's a **** format then, now, forever. What even is the point of the regular season? They should have a completely randomized draft lottery too so everybody has a 1/30 chance at the top pick since the RS is meaningless anyways. This really is a huge asterisk, I'd rather them cancel the season. Silver is terrible!
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Post#120 » by WeekapaugGroove » Tue May 26, 2020 6:47 pm

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JayMKE wrote:Never thought I'd actually miss David Stern. Group stage would be a completely and total abomination, our near 70 win season would be declared completely meaningless. They already took home court, now they want to completely stack the deck!?! This is all because they want Zion in the playoffs and a possible LA vs LA finals.




Lol stop whining dude, it’s an unconventional almost lost season here’s the chance to test out a new format

It's a **** format then, now, forever. What even is the point of the regular season? They should have a completely randomized draft lottery too so everybody has a 1/30 chance at the top pick since the RS is meaningless anyways. This really is a huge asterisk, I'd rather them cancel the season. Silver is terrible!
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