2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 5) -LOTTO 8/25 DRAFT 10/15!

[HEZI]

Zeke Nnaji's similarities to Jordan Hill are a bit disturbing. For that reason, no thanks!

[Nazrmohamed]

All this talk about obi is making me sick.

If we do end up drafting obi we should all say bye bye to Mitch because him and obi don’t fit together at all.

I honestly dont trust Mitch being a full time starter at this point, so the draft shouldnt be focused on whether he is here or not.

Why? I can't understand why the Knicks won't start him now. His defensive numbers are the best on the team and we play better defense as a team when he starts. Hes our most efficient player.

The only reason they don't start him is because of this ridiculous notion that we have to teach him not to foul and he does indeed average 3 in 23minutes, its likely that he would foul out by 36 but wgaf? Let him foul out. Its annoying, don't get me wrong and I guess you want to teach him to play the right way but to start guys clearly worse than him to teach this lesson is dumb to me and then as a fan to know this and then think he can't start. Its like focusing on one flaw while ignoring all the positives.

[Triple C]

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This shouldn't surprise anyone who has followed the 2020 draft class, but the Knicks have LaMelo Ball ranked as the top point guard on their draft board, an SNY source confirmed..

That said, if the Knicks end up with the No. 6 pick, there are other factors to think about when discussing whether or not they'd move up. Who has the first four picks? Are any of those teams open to moving down for multiple picks or for a player and a pick? Just how much would New York be willing to sacrifice to move up a few spots to draft Ball?

It's tough to even speculate about that without knowing the draft order. I think the one thing you can say with a degree of certainty is that the Knicks, like all teams around the time of the draft, will be open to listening to trade opportunities available to them before they settle on a pick.

Regarding @Jiggyx_1's question, given that the Knicks are in need of a point guard and have Ball currently ranked at the top of their board, it's logical to assume that they'd be open to trading up for him. But it depends on the price, obviously. And that depends on which teams are ahead of the Knicks in the draft order.

We know that LaVar Ball would like to see LaMelo in New York. There are others in LaMelo's circle -- outside of LaVar -- who would love to see him end up in New York, SNY sources say. The New York Post reported that some in the NBA believe LaVar will try to steer LaMelo to the Knicks.

It seems like it would be difficult for Ball's camp to coordinate his landing LaMelo in New York if the Knicks end up with the No. 6 pick. Maybe withholding Ball's medical information from teams ahead of the Knicks could lead him to slide down? But it seems unlikely that he slides all the way to No. 6.

[WargamesX]

All this talk about obi is making me sick.

If we do end up drafting obi we should all say bye bye to Mitch because him and obi don’t fit together at all.

I honestly dont trust Mitch being a full time starter at this point, so the draft shouldnt be focused on whether he is here or not.

Why? I can't understand why the Knicks won't start him now. His defensive numbers are the best on the team and we play better defense as a team when he starts. Hes our most efficient player.

The only reason they don't start him is because of this ridiculous notion that we have to teach him not to foul and he does indeed average 3 in 23minutes, its likely that he would foul out by 36 but wgaf? Let him foul out. Its annoying, don't get me wrong and I guess you want to teach him to play the right way but to start guys clearly worse than him to teach this lesson is dumb to me and then as a fan to know this and then think he can't start. Its like focusing on one flaw while ignoring all the positives.

I think it’s more they want him to be available to play at the end of games. His defense could be a major factor in close games. Look at the rockets game where a combination of Frank + Mitch was enough to force Russell to take a awkward midrange shot.

[Deeeez Knicks]

I honestly dont trust Mitch being a full time starter at this point, so the draft shouldnt be focused on whether he is here or not.

Why? I can't understand why the Knicks won't start him now. His defensive numbers are the best on the team and we play better defense as a team when he starts. Hes our most efficient player.

The only reason they don't start him is because of this ridiculous notion that we have to teach him not to foul and he does indeed average 3 in 23minutes, its likely that he would foul out by 36 but wgaf? Let him foul out. Its annoying, don't get me wrong and I guess you want to teach him to play the right way but to start guys clearly worse than him to teach this lesson is dumb to me and then as a fan to know this and then think he can't start. Its like focusing on one flaw while ignoring all the positives.

I think it’s more they want him to be available to play at the end of games. His defense could be a major factor in close games. Look at the rockets game where a combination of Frank + Mitch was enough to force Russell to take a awkward midrange shot.

I think they just need to start Mitch and see how he works out. See if he can consistently start and play more minutes. Let him learn in that role and see what he can do starting. Nothing really to lose. It is crazy to me that they barely attempted that this year.

[knickstape21]

Why? I can't understand why the Knicks won't start him now. His defensive numbers are the best on the team and we play better defense as a team when he starts. Hes our most efficient player.

The only reason they don't start him is because of this ridiculous notion that we have to teach him not to foul and he does indeed average 3 in 23minutes, its likely that he would foul out by 36 but wgaf? Let him foul out. Its annoying, don't get me wrong and I guess you want to teach him to play the right way but to start guys clearly worse than him to teach this lesson is dumb to me and then as a fan to know this and then think he can't start. Its like focusing on one flaw while ignoring all the positives.

I think it’s more they want him to be available to play at the end of games. His defense could be a major factor in close games. Look at the rockets game where a combination of Frank + Mitch was enough to force Russell to take a awkward midrange shot.

I think they just need to start Mitch and see how he works out. See if he can consistently start and play more minutes. Let him learn in that role and see what he can do starting. Nothing really to lose. It is crazy to me that they barely attempted that this year.

Agreed. So frustrating. Always a slow start and then he comes in and changes the whole game. A terror on defense. Some don’t even bother going at him anymore.

[mpharris36]

Zeke Nnaji's similarities to Jordan Hill are a bit disturbing. For that reason, no thanks!

yeah if we are going big I would rather get one of those new age bigs that have some spacing potential while still being able to protect the rim...

Jalen Smith
Patrick Williams
Paul Reed

[3toheadmelo]

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[HEZI]

Zeke Nnaji's similarities to Jordan Hill are a bit disturbing. For that reason, no thanks!

yeah if we are going big I would rather get one of those new age bigs that have some spacing potential while still being able to protect the rim...

Jalen Smith
Patrick Williams
Paul Reed

Diakite

[mpharris36]

Zeke Nnaji's similarities to Jordan Hill are a bit disturbing. For that reason, no thanks!

yeah if we are going big I would rather get one of those new age bigs that have some spacing potential while still being able to protect the rim...

Jalen Smith
Patrick Williams
Paul Reed

Diakite

yes add him to the list as well of players I would be interested in.

[Deeeez Knicks]

Zeke Nnaji's similarities to Jordan Hill are a bit disturbing. For that reason, no thanks!

yeah if we are going big I would rather get one of those new age bigs that have some spacing potential while still being able to protect the rim...

Jalen Smith
Patrick Williams
Paul Reed

If there was a way to trade down and get 2 picks in the 10-20 range, I might even love to do that. May not be realistic though. I like a lot of guys in that range so would be nice to get 2.

[KnicksGadfly]

Why? I can't understand why the Knicks won't start him now. His defensive numbers are the best on the team and we play better defense as a team when he starts. Hes our most efficient player.

The only reason they don't start him is because of this ridiculous notion that we have to teach him not to foul and he does indeed average 3 in 23minutes, its likely that he would foul out by 36 but wgaf? Let him foul out. Its annoying, don't get me wrong and I guess you want to teach him to play the right way but to start guys clearly worse than him to teach this lesson is dumb to me and then as a fan to know this and then think he can't start. Its like focusing on one flaw while ignoring all the positives.

I think it’s more they want him to be available to play at the end of games. His defense could be a major factor in close games. Look at the rockets game where a combination of Frank + Mitch was enough to force Russell to take a awkward midrange shot.

I think they just need to start Mitch and see how he works out. See if he can consistently start and play more minutes. Let him learn in that role and see what he can do starting. Nothing really to lose. It is crazy to me that they barely attempted that this year.

Honestly, I think the real reason is this:

1. Randle's weak mindset needs to be protected. Mitch and Randle can't play together. Randle already is a zero on defense and shooting. So if Mitch comes in, and clogs the paint, Randle is going to be negative value.

2. We also signed Portis, Taj, etc. to huge contracts. So if we don't play them, these guys get grumpy AND Dolan is gonna get even more pissed.

3. Mitch is young, so we can bench him, even though Randle is the guy who deserves to be benched.

[mpharris36]

Zeke Nnaji's similarities to Jordan Hill are a bit disturbing. For that reason, no thanks!

yeah if we are going big I would rather get one of those new age bigs that have some spacing potential while still being able to protect the rim...

Jalen Smith
Patrick Williams
Paul Reed

If there was a way to trade down and get 2 picks in the 10-20 range, I might even love to do that. May not be realistic though. I like a lot of guys in that range so would be nice to get 2.

depends if we are 7-8 and Edwards/LaMelo/Hayes/Haliburton are off the list. I would absolutely consider a potential trade down. The only issue with that is I don't think any team holds two picks in that scenario.

Boston I think owns 17 and 26 but that wouldn't even come close to the value to trade down. But as we know a team can always get a 2nd 1st rounder as well if a team can acquire one and we can move down a few spots.

[Deeeez Knicks]

I think it’s more they want him to be available to play at the end of games. His defense could be a major factor in close games. Look at the rockets game where a combination of Frank + Mitch was enough to force Russell to take a awkward midrange shot.

I think they just need to start Mitch and see how he works out. See if he can consistently start and play more minutes. Let him learn in that role and see what he can do starting. Nothing really to lose. It is crazy to me that they barely attempted that this year.

Honestly, I think the real reason is this:

1. Randle's weak mindset needs to be protected. Mitch and Randle can't play together. Randle already is a zero on defense and shooting. So if Mitch comes in, and clogs the paint, Randle is going to be zero value.

2. We also signed Portis, Taj, etc. to huge contracts. So if we don't play them, these guys get grumpy AND Dolan is gonna get even more pissed.

3. Mitch is young, so we can bench him, even though Randle is the guy who deserves to be benched.

Yea, I think that is why they did it. They focused on constructing the roster around Randle and the vets they signed, rather then focus on Mitch/RJ. Randle looked horrible in the beginning, so they tried everything they could to make him look better in order to justify the signing. Just a really horrible decision starting from signing these guys in the first place, but they were desperate.

[3toheadmelo]

If Haliburton had Lamelo’s handles, he would be the best point guard in the draft.

[Deeeez Knicks]

yeah if we are going big I would rather get one of those new age bigs that have some spacing potential while still being able to protect the rim...

Jalen Smith
Patrick Williams
Paul Reed

If there was a way to trade down and get 2 picks in the 10-20 range, I might even love to do that. May not be realistic though. I like a lot of guys in that range so would be nice to get 2.

depends if we are 7-8 and Edwards/LaMelo/Hayes/Haliburton are off the list. I would absolutely consider a potential trade down. The only issue with that is I don't think any team holds two picks in that scenario.

Boston I think owns 17 and 26 but that wouldn't even come close to the value to trade down. But as we know a team can always get a 2nd 1st rounder as well if a team can acquire one and we can move down a few spots.

Yea, it would depend who is available and is unlikely. Agree that 17+26 wouldnt be worth it.

Just thinking that I like a lot of those guys, but tough to justify picking them top 10. Would be nice if we could diversify and have some options to pick up 2 prospects

[Deeeez Knicks]

If Haliburton had Lamelo’s handles, he would be the best point guard in the draft.

If he had his handles + aggressiveness....then add shooting off the dribble and he would be a stud

[robillionaire]

if haliburton was lamelo he would be the best PG in the draft, no question about it

[mpharris36]

If there was a way to trade down and get 2 picks in the 10-20 range, I might even love to do that. May not be realistic though. I like a lot of guys in that range so would be nice to get 2.

depends if we are 7-8 and Edwards/LaMelo/Hayes/Haliburton are off the list. I would absolutely consider a potential trade down. The only issue with that is I don't think any team holds two picks in that scenario.

Boston I think owns 17 and 26 but that wouldn't even come close to the value to trade down. But as we know a team can always get a 2nd 1st rounder as well if a team can acquire one and we can move down a few spots.

Yea, it would depend who is available and is unlikely. Agree that 17+26 wouldnt be worth it.

Just thinking that I like a lot of those guys, but tough to justify picking them top 10. Would be nice if we could diversify and have some options to pick up 2 prospects

yeah me personally I would prefer something like

Kira Lewis and Pokuševski over just selecting one of Cole Anthony or Ob Toppin (thats just me though).

You could go in a lot of directions. You could think about Tre Jones in one of those spots...that would then open the idea of also getting a really talented shooter with one of those picks like Nesmith, Saddiq Bey, or Vassell along with a a Kira Lewis/Jones.

Then at 27 go one of those bigs that can shoot...you could really change the dynamic of the team from a team that can't shoot with a team that drafted a lot of potential shooting.

[mpharris36]

if haliburton was lamelo he would be the best PG in the draft, no question about it

you mean just had his name?