Our Two Way Guys: Oshae Brissett and Paul Watson

[nabbs]

Our 3/4 or combo wing depth is quite bad and I really feel like wanting to keep our main guys together while also rounding out our roster on cheap deals is the key to our 2021 plans and beyond.

Cue OB and Watson.... These guys have produced in the gleague and in the case of OB, he has shown shooting improvements all season and has proved he can rebound and defend in NBA games. I really think the Raps should consider letting Rondae go, dumping Stanley Johnson and convert Watson and Brissett to full time roles.

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His shot has come quite a way as well. Still a WIP, but look at his highlight package from his last month in the gleague:

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Paul Watson on the other hand was probably one of the best Gleague players in the league.

All of this is to say that both guys would give us major size and dynamism on the wings.

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[OakleyDokely]

Both will compete for spots for sure.

Next year, I see the lineup looking like this:

One of Ibaka/Gasol
Siakam
OG
Powell
Lowry
Key Bench: Davis, Thomas, Boucher

The Raps will likely use the MLE on a big. The big wildcard is VV. I think the Raps will eventually sign him.

[Duffman100]

I like Brisset and Watson. More than I like McCaw and SJ. SJ belong in a category by himself as why the **** he has a player option.

[Kevin Willis]

I like Brisset and Watson. More than I like McCaw and SJ. SJ belong in a category by himself as why the **** he has a player option.

I'm trying to think who is more muscle-bound awkward - SJ or Joey Graham. Brisset and Watson have the game that better fits the Raptor's culture and the modern nba.

[RyderMike]

I really think the Raps should consider letting Rondae go, dumping Stanley Johnson and convert Watson and Brissett to full time roles.

Rondae is probably gone. He was on a 1-year deal to rebuld his value. He probably gets a bigger deal somewhere in the league as a FA - (cap dependent given the expected cap drop, we may be able to get his back on another value deal.)

Stanley has a player option for about $3.5 million. He'd be lucky to get any contract, so he will definitely pick up his option and dumping him requires someone to want him. Again with the expected cap drop, teams will be even less likely to be willing to absorb his hit, given there will be even less $$ available on teams cap. Masai may just keep him out of necessity due to the cap situation, rather than a buyout or paying the draft pick price to dump him.

[nabbs]

Both will compete for spots for sure.

Next year, I see the lineup looking like this:

One of Ibaka/Gasol
Siakam
OG
Powell
Lowry
Key Bench: Davis, Thomas, Boucher

The Raps will likely use the MLE on a big. The big wildcard is VV. I think the Raps will eventually sign him.

I think our big is going to be our first rounder. If Brissett and Watson get converted. We unload Johnson and let Boucher/RHJ walk

Gasol and Ibaka might take 1 year deals just given the whole covid situation and I'd imagine Fred resigns here.

WE have:

Kyle/TD
Fred/Norm/Thomas
OG/Brissett/Watson
Pascal/1st rounder
Serge/Marc/Dewan

[nabbs]

I really think the Raps should consider letting Rondae go, dumping Stanley Johnson and convert Watson and Brissett to full time roles.

Rondae is probably gone. He was on a 1-year deal to rebuld his value. He probably gets a bigger deal somewhere in the league as a FA - (cap dependent given the expected cap drop, we may be able to get his back on another value deal.)

Stanley has a player option for about $3.5 million. He'd be lucky to get any contract, so he will definitely pick up his option and dumping him requires someone to want him. Again with the expected cap drop, teams will be even less likely to be willing to absorb his hit, given there will be even less $$ available on teams cap. Masai may just keep him out of necessity due to the cap situation, rather than a buyout or paying the draft pick price to dump him.

WE have quite a bit of picks left so I wouldnt put it past the Raps to dump Stanley for a future second

[Duffman100]

I like Brisset and Watson. More than I like McCaw and SJ. SJ belong in a category by himself as why the **** he has a player option.

I'm trying to think who is more muscle-bound awkward - SJ or Joey Graham. Brisset and Watson have the game that better fits the Raptor's culture and the modern nba.

Are we Stanley's last NBA stop? I just can't see another team taking a shot on him after this.

Detroit, makes sense. Not great at developing players, meh organization over the last 10 years.

No excuses for him in a Raptors organization that's viewed as one of the best talent developing places in the league.

[JN]

I really think the Raps should consider letting Rondae go, dumping Stanley Johnson and convert Watson and Brissett to full time roles.

Rondae is probably gone. He was on a 1-year deal to rebuld his value. He probably gets a bigger deal somewhere in the league as a FA - (cap dependent given the expected cap drop, we may be able to get his back on another value deal.)

Stanley has a player option for about $3.5 million. He'd be lucky to get any contract, so he will definitely pick up his option and dumping him requires someone to want him. Again with the expected cap drop, teams will be even less likely to be willing to absorb his hit, given there will be even less $$ available on teams cap. Masai may just keep him out of necessity due to the cap situation, rather than a buyout or paying the draft pick price to dump him.

WE have quite a bit of picks left so I wouldnt put it past the Raps to dump Stanley for a future second

I don't think any teams will be interested in essentially paying $3.5 million (and losing cap space) for a future second rounder (or late one this year)

[alan_156]

Rondae definitely still has a use, I wouldn't dump him. Stanley Johnson and McCaw are useless, rather give those opportunities to brissett and PW.

[Psubs]

Brissett should play in the G-League until he can shoot 3's over 30%. Boucher is on thin ice unless he shoots better.

I think getting Watson precludes the Raptors drafting a SG.

[Kevin Willis]

I like Brisset and Watson. More than I like McCaw and SJ. SJ belong in a category by himself as why the **** he has a player option.

I'm trying to think who is more muscle-bound awkward - SJ or Joey Graham. Brisset and Watson have the game that better fits the Raptor's culture and the modern nba.

Are we Stanley's last NBA stop? I just can't see another team taking a shot on him after this.

Detroit, makes sense. Not great at developing players, meh organization over the last 10 years.

No excuses for him in a Raptors organization that's viewed as one of the best talent developing places in the league.

Yeah this has to be it. Joey Graham bounced around a bit and maybe he gets some 10 day contracts but SJ's not going to be a rotation guy.

[RyderMike]

Rondae is probably gone. He was on a 1-year deal to rebuld his value. He probably gets a bigger deal somewhere in the league as a FA - (cap dependent given the expected cap drop, we may be able to get his back on another value deal.)

Stanley has a player option for about $3.5 million. He'd be lucky to get any contract, so he will definitely pick up his option and dumping him requires someone to want him. Again with the expected cap drop, teams will be even less likely to be willing to absorb his hit, given there will be even less $$ available on teams cap. Masai may just keep him out of necessity due to the cap situation, rather than a buyout or paying the draft pick price to dump him.

WE have quite a bit of picks left so I wouldnt put it past the Raps to dump Stanley for a future second

I don't think any teams will be interested in essentially paying $3.5 million (and losing cap space) for a future second rounder (or late one this year)

What JN said. Remember we paid 2nd round picks to dump Greg Monroe and Malachi Richardson to the Nets and 76ers at the trade deadline. They were on min/near min deals at the deadline (so like maybe ~500k in real dollars left, plus the cap space was neglible for those teams since it was the deadline).

3.5 million is much more than 500k, plus unused cap space is a lot different in the offseason(when it can be used) and minutes before the deadline (when it will otherwise remain empty).

So it would likely take at least 2 2nds to dump, if not a first (best case scenario) plus we already do not have 2nd rounders in 2021,2022,and 2024. Plus, cap space will be at a premium due to the pandemic cap drop, so a 1st is the more likely price. We don't really have that many picks. We just own our own firsts, we don't have any picks from other teams and we'll need those picks to pick up cheap rotation pieces as guys like FVV, OG, TDIII get bigger deals

[RyderMike]

Are we Stanley's last NBA stop? I just can't see another team taking a shot on him after this.

Detroit, makes sense. Not great at developing players, meh organization over the last 10 years.

I doubt Detroit is an option for Stanley. He spent 3.5 years in Detroit before being dumped by them at the deadline, then signed with us a couple months later. He already had his chance in Detroit.

[Duffman100]

Are we Stanley's last NBA stop? I just can't see another team taking a shot on him after this.

Detroit, makes sense. Not great at developing players, meh organization over the last 10 years.

I doubt Detroit is an option for Stanley. He spent 3.5 years in Detroit before being dumped by them at the deadline, then signed with us a couple months later. He already had his chance in Detroit.

No no, I was saying it made sense to buy on his potential value, because he spent time in Detroit. Their development team could be viewed as a question mark, because what young players have they improved?

No excuse with us, since we're a proven commodity and he didn't improve.

[RyderMike]

Are we Stanley's last NBA stop? I just can't see another team taking a shot on him after this.

Detroit, makes sense. Not great at developing players, meh organization over the last 10 years.

I doubt Detroit is an option for Stanley. He spent 3.5 years in Detroit before being dumped by them at the deadline, then signed with us a couple months later. He already had his chance in Detroit.

No no, I was saying it made sense to buy on his potential value, because he spent time in Detroit. Their development team could be viewed as a question mark, because what young players have they improved?

No excuse with us, since we're a proven commodity and he didn't improve.

Oh, I misinterpreted what you meant. My bad. Yep, I agree with that 100%

[Duffman100]

I doubt Detroit is an option for Stanley. He spent 3.5 years in Detroit before being dumped by them at the deadline, then signed with us a couple months later. He already had his chance in Detroit.

No no, I was saying it made sense to buy on his potential value, because he spent time in Detroit. Their development team could be viewed as a question mark, because what young players have they improved?

No excuse with us, since we're a proven commodity and he didn't improve.

Oh, I misinterpreted what you meant. My bad. Yep, I agree with that 100%

Looking back at what I wrote, it was written in a confusing way!

[ItsDanger]

SJ's pride will make him decline the player option and try somewhere else. its not like he hasn't banked a decent amount of cash so far. ie. unless Nurse guarantees him more PT next season which seems unlikely.

[nikster]

Are we Stanley's last NBA stop? I just can't see another team taking a shot on him after this.

Detroit, makes sense. Not great at developing players, meh organization over the last 10 years.

I doubt Detroit is an option for Stanley. He spent 3.5 years in Detroit before being dumped by them at the deadline, then signed with us a couple months later. He already had his chance in Detroit.

No no, I was saying it made sense to buy on his potential value, because he spent time in Detroit. Their development team could be viewed as a question mark, because what young players have they improved?

No excuse with us, since we're a proven commodity and he didn't improve.

I still think he will get at least a shot with a 10 day or unguaranteed contract. Hes still athletic and young, teams love taking chances on those kind of players even if theyve been given opportunities

[Duffman100]

I doubt Detroit is an option for Stanley. He spent 3.5 years in Detroit before being dumped by them at the deadline, then signed with us a couple months later. He already had his chance in Detroit.

No no, I was saying it made sense to buy on his potential value, because he spent time in Detroit. Their development team could be viewed as a question mark, because what young players have they improved?

No excuse with us, since we're a proven commodity and he didn't improve.

I still think he will get at least a shot with a 10 day or unguaranteed contract. Hes still athletic and young, teams love taking chances on those kind of players even if theyve been given opportunities

The Knicks do exist...so I guess anything is possible.