OT: Cops kill George Floyd

[nedleeds]

Have there been other full scale riots over unjustified police killings in Minneapolis ever before?

Obviously being caught on film is a game changer in terms of generating outrage. I don't remember any riots there and I'm old. Seems to me like they had no plan to contain this or deal with it.

[8516knicks]

ARREST MADE -- https://www.huffpost.com/entry/minneapolis-cop-derek-chauvin-charged-george-floyd_n_5ed02253c5b6ed2d60cc6cc5

[Blockwatcher]

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I'm not co-signing the pre-meditated murder angle. Just posting the video.

Floyd and Chauvin may have known each other and worked as bouncers at the same bar for over a decade.

I posted the same thing. I’m not co-signing either, but bars are seedy places and people do make enemies.

[UcanUwill]

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This guy can't win another election. The president should not be coming out saying "the shooting starts."

He is going to make people that are already angry just get angrier. He is going to get people killed.

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I am not saying he ripped it off, its just similar minds think the same.

[HarthorneWingo]

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That was sweet.

Typcical weak tea from Barack.

[ellobo]

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The biggest thing I miss about Obama as president is that I could feel good about having that guy as the leader of my country. I might disagree with a specific policy or a specific decision (like maybe wanting more blatant outrage and indignation in that George Floyd statement), but still be proud that that's the guy this country elected to our highest office.

I miss being able to think about the president of my country and not be reduced to just shaking my head and muttering, "What the ****?"

[ellobo]

Sorry, double post.

[HarthorneWingo]

This DA, Freeman, said - and I quote - "There is other evidence in the case which does not support a criminal charge [against the officer who murdered Floyd]."

Has anyone picked up on what this alleged "other evidence" is?

[mpharris36]

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How the **** is it only 3rd degree?

[mpharris36]

How the **** is it only 3rd degree?

I think it would be very difficult to prove 1st degree (that means he had intentions of killing George Floyd for a while. Means he was hunting him)

You could make the case it was 2nd degree. But that can be tricky, maybe someone with a law background can shed light but I think 2nd degree is still a intent to kill him. (just not premeditated) While for sure it looks that way from the video. He looked like he wanted to do harm to him rather than detain him...it still in the court of law can be tricky.

3rd degree voluntary manslaughter is probably the best way to get a conviction. Some people might think its the "safe" play. But he needs to go to jail and the last thing we need is him getting off on a technicality because they can prove he might have been racist and he might have been an awful cop but maybe there is a shed of doubt that he wasn't trying to kill him?

Tough decision but you need to be 100% right. If you get him for 3rd degree you can still put him behind bars for 40 years.

[mpharris36]

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this is good too. They at the minimum should be charged with negligible criminal homicide. If they weren't willing to step in and tell the dude GTF off him you are killing him he can't breathe...then don't be a cop.

[HarthorneWingo]

How the **** is it only 3rd degree?

I think it would be very difficult to prove 1st degree (that means he had intentions of killing George Floyd for a while. Means he was hunting him)

You could make the case it was 2nd degree. But that can be tricky, maybe someone with a law background can shed light but I think 2nd degree is still a intent to kill him. (just not premeditated) While for sure it looks that way from the video. He looked like he wanted to do harm to him rather than detain him...it still in the court of law can be tricky.

3rd degree voluntary manslaughter is probably the best way to get a conviction. Some people might think its the "safe" play. But he needs to go to jail and the last thing we need is him getting off on a technicality because they can prove he might have been racist and he might have been an awful cop but maybe there is a shed of doubt that he wasn't trying to kill him?

Tough decision but you need to be 100% right. If you get him for 3rd degree you can still put him behind bars for 40 years.

Premeditation can be formed within seconds. That’s first year Crim Law in law school.

Intent to kill? When the victim continues to say “I can’t breathe. I can’t breathe” while the officer drives his knee further into Floyd’s neck. Then you have onlookers who say “You’re going to kill him! Stop!” I think you have a pretty good first degree case. Beside, the DA’s offices around the country ALWAYS overcharge if it’s a civilian.

[8516knicks]

Seems to be the perfect illustration of "Reckless disregard."

[mpharris36]

How the **** is it only 3rd degree?

I think it would be very difficult to prove 1st degree (that means he had intentions of killing George Floyd for a while. Means he was hunting him)

You could make the case it was 2nd degree. But that can be tricky, maybe someone with a law background can shed light but I think 2nd degree is still a intent to kill him. (just not premeditated) While for sure it looks that way from the video. He looked like he wanted to do harm to him rather than detain him...it still in the court of law can be tricky.

3rd degree voluntary manslaughter is probably the best way to get a conviction. Some people might think its the "safe" play. But he needs to go to jail and the last thing we need is him getting off on a technicality because they can prove he might have been racist and he might have been an awful cop but maybe there is a shed of doubt that he wasn't trying to kill him?

Tough decision but you need to be 100% right. If you get him for 3rd degree you can still put him behind bars for 40 years.

Premeditation can be formed within seconds. That’s first year Crim Law in law school.

Intent to kill? When the victim continues to say “I can’t breathe. I can’t breathe” while the officer drives his knee further into Floyd’s neck. Then you have onlookers who say “You’re going to kill him! Stop!” I think you have a pretty good first degree case. Beside, the DA’s offices around the country ALWAYS overcharge if it’s a civilian.

That might be too risky. And the difference of the civilian to the officer is they will have union reps and while that sucks thats just reality of the situation.

They would need to find some kind of letter or email or something that was suggesting he was planning to kill someone on the job because he was a racist. Otherwise it might not be a homerun.

I mean you and I can see it on the video...but to get a 1st degree murder charge it would have to be something so obvious like You found evidence that he was planning to do it well before the murder took place.

[HarthorneWingo]

I think it would be very difficult to prove 1st degree (that means he had intentions of killing George Floyd for a while. Means he was hunting him)

You could make the case it was 2nd degree. But that can be tricky, maybe someone with a law background can shed light but I think 2nd degree is still a intent to kill him. (just not premeditated) While for sure it looks that way from the video. He looked like he wanted to do harm to him rather than detain him...it still in the court of law can be tricky.

3rd degree voluntary manslaughter is probably the best way to get a conviction. Some people might think its the "safe" play. But he needs to go to jail and the last thing we need is him getting off on a technicality because they can prove he might have been racist and he might have been an awful cop but maybe there is a shed of doubt that he wasn't trying to kill him?

Tough decision but you need to be 100% right. If you get him for 3rd degree you can still put him behind bars for 40 years.

Premeditation can be formed within seconds. That’s first year Crim Law in law school.

Intent to kill? When the victim continues to say “I can’t breathe. I can’t breathe” while the officer drives his knee further into Floyd’s neck. Then you have onlookers who say “You’re going to kill him! Stop!” I think you have a pretty good first degree case. Beside, the DA’s offices around the country ALWAYS overcharge if it’s a civilian.

That might be too risky. And the difference of the civilian to the officer is they will have union reps and while that sucks thats just reality of the situation.

They would need to find some kind of letter or email or something that was suggesting he was planning to kill someone on the job because he was a racist. Otherwise it might not be a homerun.

I mean you and I can see it on the video...but to get a 1st degree murder charge it would have to be something so obvious like You found evidence that he was planning to do it well before the murder took place.

For me, it's a clear murder one. Also, juries are empowered under law to choose among the lower included offense and prosecutors argue in the alternative all the time. They could tell the jury that "If you find that there is insufficient evidence to concluded beyond a reasonable doubt that Officer Chauvrin did not kill Floyd with premeditation, then you can still find him guilty of murder two if you find that yada yada yada."

Also, the prosecutors can amend the criminal complaint to add more charges if they feel the evidence supports it.

[Kampuchea]

[nedleeds]

How the **** is it only 3rd degree?

Same exact charges brought against the black Minneapolis cop who murdered the unarmed barefooted white woman 2 years ago. You know the shooting where the mob didn't burn the entire city? You know the one that took 8 months to bring charges to? That the media didn't care about? That nobody cared about?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Justine_Damond

This whole cycle is disgusting, the racism is disgusting, leveraging this whole thing for political gain or loss is disgusting. At the bottom of the ashes are dead people, and thousands of ruined lives and business that had nothing to do with what the cop did. It's just disgusting. The story about the dude who sunk his life savings into a sports bar, about to employ a dozen people, surviving COVID, his whole place burned, looted, safe stolen was heartbreaking.

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i think like mpharris said, it's easier to get a manslaughter conviction. they don't want to take any chances. if he walked that city would explode even worse than now.

[GONYK]

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this is good too. They at the minimum should be charged with negligible criminal homicide. If they weren't willing to step in and tell the dude GTF off him you are killing him he can't breathe...then don't be a cop.

So what happened to the evidence that would preclude a criminal charge that the DA was talking about yesterday?