2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 5) -LOTTO 8/25 DRAFT 10/15!

[mpharris36]

Holmes put up similar numbers as a sophomore and he was even shooting outside shots. OO has a broken jumper that looks like this

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One of the worst decision makers with the ball, dude looks lost trying to make plays. Absolutely terrible. No NBA team is going to depend on this dude to make anything happen with the ball in his hands, they will instruct him to set screens and finish under the basket. No playmaking or outside shooting at all whatsoever.

He' 19...how can you make those assumptions that early in his career?

And if he's just an elite P&R finisher and elite defensive player that can guard multiple positions. That is extremly valuable in todays NBA.

The GSW have him higher than Wiseman.

Elite finisher? This is what we are calling dudes who can only dunk now? A big man at that?

Elite defensive player? What? He's going to get destroyed in the league. He is also turning 20 by the time the season starts, I'm not trying to hear excuses for him. He aint that good

u have something against chino hills players?

[HEZI]

He' 19...how can you make those assumptions that early in his career?

And if he's just an elite P&R finisher and elite defensive player that can guard multiple positions. That is extremly valuable in todays NBA.

The GSW have him higher than Wiseman.

Elite finisher? This is what we are calling dudes who can only dunk now? A big man at that?

Elite defensive player? What? He's going to get destroyed in the league. He is also turning 20 by the time the season starts, I'm not trying to hear excuses for him. He aint that good

u have something against chino hills players?

Go back and watch that weakness video and see how terrible some of his defensive possessions are and how elite NBA players are going to eat him alive

[3toheadmelo]

or

[mpharris36]

Elite finisher? This is what we are calling dudes who can only dunk now? A big man at that?

Elite defensive player? What? He's going to get destroyed in the league. He is also turning 20 by the time the season starts, I'm not trying to hear excuses for him. He aint that good

u have something against chino hills players?

Go back and watch that weakness video and see how terrible some of his defensive possessions are and how elite NBA players are going to eat him alive

the same video in his strengths touts his #1 strength as his defensive impact with strong rim protection, smart P&R player, and ability to switch and guard into space

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[mpharris36]

oh i forgot to metion deni..draftexpress has him pretty high right?

[HEZI]

u have something against chino hills players?

Go back and watch that weakness video and see how terrible some of his defensive possessions are and how elite NBA players are going to eat him alive

the same video in his strengths touts his #1 strength as his defensive impact with strong rim protection, smart P&R player, and ability to switch and guard into space

Watch on YouTube

Richaun Holmes

[3toheadmelo]

oh i forgot to metion deni..draftexpress has him pretty high right?

[mpharris36]

oh i forgot to metion deni..draftexpress has him pretty high right?

there we go

deni, tyrese, and obi

those guys make the most sense. But deni plays tatum's position so if I think they are all equal you will get a secondary playmaker sniper like Haliburton to play alongisde Tatum and Bam playmaking and Ayton in the post.

Or a dynamic PF with a rim protecting big like Obi and go with and crazy size lineup with Bam, Lavine, Tatum, Obi, and Ayton.

[3toheadmelo]

oh i forgot to metion deni..draftexpress has him pretty high right?

there we go

deni, tyrese, and obi

those guys make the most sense. But deni plays tatum's position so if I think they are all equal you will get a secondary playmaker sniper like Haliburton to play alongisde Tatum and Bam playmaking and Ayton in the post.

Or a dynamic PF with a rim protecting big like Obi and go with and crazy size lineup with Bam, Lavine, Tatum, Obi, and Ayton.

I think 2 bams sounds better..

[knickstape21]

Holmes put up identical numbers in college and their game style is identical. Holmes has been very solid especially in Sacramento but he's nothing special. OO is the same way, he's not skilled he's just a rim running big who does the dirty work. I'm not sure what else you see in him

it took his junior year at bowling green to put up Okungwu's freshman stats at a real college.

Holmes put up similar numbers as a sophomore and he was even shooting outside shots. OO has a broken jumper that looks like this

Watch on YouTube

One of the worst decision makers with the ball, dude looks lost trying to make plays. Absolutely terrible. No NBA team is going to depend on this dude to make anything happen with the ball in his hands, they will instruct him to set screens and finish under the basket. No playmaking or outside shooting at all whatsoever. He also has ways to go defensively, he jumps at every pump fake and looks unbalanced on his reactions. Dude is going to be baited into so many fouls he wont be able to stay on the floor for many minutes. Kid is a raw project

That jumper has absolutely no chance. My goodness.

[mpharris36]

there we go

deni, tyrese, and obi

those guys make the most sense. But deni plays tatum's position so if I think they are all equal you will get a secondary playmaker sniper like Haliburton to play alongisde Tatum and Bam playmaking and Ayton in the post.

Or a dynamic PF with a rim protecting big like Obi and go with and crazy size lineup with Bam, Lavine, Tatum, Obi, and Ayton.

I think 2 bams sounds better..

[aggo]

Who was the last PG under 6'3 drafted in the top 10 that turned out to be a bust?

Spoiler:

DSJ

and he has insane speed/athleticism.


say no to Cole Anthony, who doesnt have speed, hang and bang, or shooting.

[aggo]

I mean if you want to make cut ups of Lamelo's passing to show that he can pass out of the PNR I guess you've proven a point. That he can be efficient as a PG in an area of the game that encompasses like 15-20% max of his possessions or touches.

Now get to the part where he can't shoot
Now get to the part where he showed zero effort and intensity on defense
Now get to the part where he doesnt have elite short area quickness needed to run the PNR in NBA; thus making whatever points you think your cutups are showing completely moot against NBA level defenders.
Now get to the point where he has the propensity to dribble the ball far away from his body when hes moving
Now get to the part where for his size (e.g. ben Simmons) he should be better at finishing at the rim. Instead hes happy to avoid contact and stop just inside the line and go for a floater.

[aggo]

also I dare anyone to go back and watch college Dangelo Russell's tape and Lonzo Ball's college tape and tell me how Lamelo's is actually better than those two? (and to a lesser extent, Simmons' but I think we all can agree that Simmons has superior tape)

I pick those two guys because of how accomplished they were passing the ball as bigger PGs in college.

[RHODEY]

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[HarthorneWingo]

I mean if you want to make cut ups of Lamelo's passing to show that he can pass out of the PNR I guess you've proven a point. That he can be efficient as a PG in an area of the game that encompasses like 15-20% max of his possessions or touches.

Now get to the part where he can't shoot
Now get to the part where he showed zero effort and intensity on defense
Now get to the part where he doesnt have elite short area quickness needed to run the PNR in NBA; thus making whatever points you think your cutups are showing completely moot against NBA level defenders.
Now get to the point where he has the propensity to dribble the ball far away from his body when hes moving
Now get to the part where for his size (e.g. ben Simmons) he should be better at finishing at the rim. Instead hes happy to avoid contact and stop just inside the line and go for a floater.

[thebuzzardman]

Damn. This draft is starting to feel like 2008, when people though Joe Alexander might turn out to be good.

[aggo]

Damn. This draft is starting to feel like 2008, when people though Joe Alexander might turn out to be good.

this just isn't a great draft class

I started months ago super down on Wiseman, up on Edwards.


Now I'm circling back.

Wiseman is probably the #1 player in the draft, im now down on Haliburton (bc he might not be a 35mpg player at PG) and down on Edwards because he looks like a volume scorer that doesnt really bring much else in terms of production to the table. You'd think a guy like him who probably has the highest USG of all the guards drafted would put up 5asts/per36 minimum...


Cole... is my highest conviction on him being a bust if hes drafted in the top 5. I literally wouldn't be able to discern his college tape from guys like trey burke, jerryd Bayless, Randy foye. All similar slashing PGs in college that only had mediocre NBA careers.

incidentally if you look back at the 2008 draft, the guys that ended up having good careers outside the top 5 were all high floor players or guys that we already knew could shoot.

Lopez
Gallo
Gordon
ANderson
c lee


This might be a good thing to keep in mind if you're waffling about Haliburton in this draft

[thebuzzardman]

Damn. This draft is starting to feel like 2008, when people though Joe Alexander might turn out to be good.

this just isn't a great draft class

I started months ago super down on Wiseman, up on Edwards.


Now I'm circling back.

Wiseman is probably the #1 player in the draft, im now down on Haliburton (bc he might not be a 35mpg player at PG) and down on Edwards because he looks like a volume scorer that doesnt really bring much else in terms of production to the table. You'd think a guy like him who probably has the highest USG of all the guards drafted would put up 5asts/per36 minimum...


Cole... is my highest conviction on him being a bust if hes drafted in the top 5. I literally wouldn't be able to discern his college tape from guys like trey burke, jerryd Bayless, Randy foye. All similar slashing PGs in college that only had mediocre NBA careers.

incidentally if you look back at the 2008 draft, the guys that ended up having good careers outside the top 5 were all high floor players or guys that we already knew could shoot.

Lopez
Gallo
Gordon
ANderson
c lee


This might be a good thing to keep in mind if you're waffling about Haliburton in this draft

Halliburton is my number 2 after Ball, who've I convinced myself his faults are fixable. Whether that is true or not.

[RHODEY]

Damn. This draft is starting to feel like 2008, when people though Joe Alexander might turn out to be good.

this just isn't a great draft class

I started months ago super down on Wiseman, up on Edwards.


Now I'm circling back.

Wiseman is probably the #1 player in the draft, im now down on Haliburton (bc he might not be a 35mpg player at PG) and down on Edwards because he looks like a volume scorer that doesnt really bring much else in terms of production to the table. You'd think a guy like him who probably has the highest USG of all the guards drafted would put up 5asts/per36 minimum...


Cole... is my highest conviction on him being a bust if hes drafted in the top 5. I literally wouldn't be able to discern his college tape from guys like trey burke, jerryd Bayless, Randy foye. All similar slashing PGs in college that only had mediocre NBA careers.

incidentally if you look back at the 2008 draft, the guys that ended up having good careers outside the top 5 were all high floor players or guys that we already knew could shoot.

Lopez
Gallo
Gordon
ANderson
c lee


This might be a good thing to keep in mind if you're waffling about Haliburton in this draft

Or it could be draft full of surprises and sleepers. Some of these dudes slotted from 10 -25 will suprise us Im sure. Wisemann , I really have no clue...I get the feeling his offensive ceiling is really high bu t then I also get the feeling he'll bust...

Cole 's stock seems to be int he 10-14 range right now, I don't see anybody picking him top 5 - except us maybe

Who ever gets Kira Lewis will be more than happy IMO

Haliburton man , dont know what it is about that guy but I think he'll be way better than he should be. Meaning his all around game and iq will make up for his pedestrian handle.

And of course I feel like Killian Hayes is a real gem....