I still don't know what to do this summer: Dallas Mavericks

[Texas Chuck]

Can't see Boston giving up Smart for a bunch of low level stuff especially since they already have a bunch of low level stuff.

Absolutely love the target for Dallas. And stories were that had LAC agreed to take back Wes Matthews when we wanted to trade for Jordan instead of having him opt out and sign with Dallas as a FA that they were going to take that cap space and give a big offer sheet to Smart.

[Mike lorenzo]

Can't see Boston giving up Smart for a bunch of low level stuff especially since they already have a bunch of low level stuff.

Absolutely love the target for Dallas. And stories were that had LAC agreed to take back Wes Matthews when we wanted to trade for Jordan instead of having him opt out and sign with Dallas as a FA that they were going to take that cap space and give a big offer sheet to Smart.

Maybe I overvalue Curry, I really like the guy .... who would be the best player we could bring back with Delon / Curry / Brunson / Jackson # 18 # 31 ... every trade I can think of, goes down quickly

[JamesConway]

Can't see Boston giving up Smart for a bunch of low level stuff especially since they already have a bunch of low level stuff.

Absolutely love the target for Dallas. And stories were that had LAC agreed to take back Wes Matthews when we wanted to trade for Jordan instead of having him opt out and sign with Dallas as a FA that they were going to take that cap space and give a big offer sheet to Smart.

Maybe I overvalue Curry, I really like the guy .... who would be the best player we could bring back with Delon / Curry / Brunson / Jackson # 18 # 31 ... every trade I can think of, goes down quickly

I think your package for Smart is actually too much value for Smart.

Seth = 1st round value Imo easily. The guy is a 90+th percentile PnR ballhandler (did the same in his first stint for the Mavs) and one of the best shooters in the game on a MLE-ish contract. That's a very good salary-to-value ratio.

Brunson = late 1st value Imo, not a high upside guy but developed very well and I think he can be a starter on a NBA team in the near future; not every PG has to be a star, in their primes there have always been dudes like Calderon, Fisher, etc. who were dependable starters. I think Brunson easily has the upside)

#31 is a nice, positive asset, Jackson expires so I struggle to see him as ballast.

Smart is a nice player, but he's a role player himself. Personally I got him valued around Seth. I don't think DAL needs to add anything here in terms of value.

[Pinkyring]

I love smart but he isn't much more valuable than seth, he's injury prone and abysmal offensively i love his defense and toughness but rick has s short leash for non scoring guards

[drosereturn]

How abt JJ and Brunson for Dunn, Hutch?

[HartfordWhalers]

I love smart but he isn't much more valuable than seth, he's injury prone and abysmal offensively i love his defense and toughness but rick has s short leash for non scoring guards

Wow, I have a dramatic gap between them. I have Smart as a late lotto pick guy and Curry as a good 2nd rounder, or maybe a 4th as valuable.

[Texas Chuck]

I too have Smart worth considerably more than Seth, but considering how cheap his contract is, that it runs 3 more seasons, and he is an elite shooter at time when shooting value is at all-time high, I would want to think he could return a late 1st at least. Not that Dallas should be looking to dump him for some meh pick either way.

But admittedly he sure keeps changing teams a lot and on cheap contracts. So while I think he "should" return a first, the market is telling a different story on him.

[Pinkyring]

I love smart but he isn't much more valuable than seth, he's injury prone and abysmal offensively i love his defense and toughness but rick has s short leash for non scoring guards

Wow, I have a dramatic gap between them. I have Smart as a late lotto pick guy and Curry as a good 2nd rounder, or maybe a 4th as valuable.

I can see that, elite shooting vs elite defense, one is older one gets paid a good amount more. I would trade curry for him straight up but i wouldn't add much value

[Mike lorenzo]

Let's say that the Smart agreement is not possible (I think fair) that they only trade it for a better player ..... How about with Thybulle ?? he is younger and , in a pleasant contract (which I suppose is valuable for 76er) .. what would it take ??

[Resistance]

Let's say that the Smart agreement is not possible (I think fair) that they only trade it for a better player ..... How about with Thybulle ?? he is younger and , in a pleasant contract (which I suppose is valuable for 76er) .. what would it take ??

In the 2020 draft?

Top 5 lottery pick and they still might say no.

[HartfordWhalers]

I too have Smart worth considerably more than Seth, but considering how cheap his contract is, that it runs 3 more seasons, and he is an elite shooter at time when shooting value is at all-time high, I would want to think he could return a late 1st at least. Not that Dallas should be looking to dump him for some meh pick either way.

But admittedly he sure keeps changing teams a lot and on cheap contracts. So while I think he "should" return a first, the market is telling a different story on him.

Seth Curry is not an upgrade on Richardson. Settle down mate. It was a bad idea by me. Philly fans have kindly pointed out why and I accept it.

But he is a big upgrade over Mike Scott.

Scott, Atlanta and Nyk 2nds (and Zhaire?) for Seth and Dallas can make it a three way as desired?

Still on the table

[hugepatsfan]

I love smart but he isn't much more valuable than seth, he's injury prone and abysmal offensively i love his defense and toughness but rick has s short leash for non scoring guards

He's definitely not abysmal overall offensively. Not a fit everywhere but not abysmal. He's an abysmal finisher in the paint/in between game, but that's one specific quality. Other than that he's a good contributor on offense.

He's made big strides in his shooting the last two years. In '18-19 league average for 3s was 35.5%. Smart shot a little better at 36.4%. This year, league average is 35.7%. Smart has shot a little worse at 34.8%. And it's not on low volume either - 4.3 attempts/game last year, 6.9 this year. He's about league average shooting on good volume now. When he came into the league he was someone people sagged and helped off of. Now, he's some defenses have to respect. Not saying he changes gameplans but defenses at least have to pay attention to him and close out when he does shoot.

His best trait is that he's a great passer. Especially out of the pick & roll. But also as a secondary playmaker. The fact that defenses are now closing out on his shots and paying him more attention has helped highlight this even more. For as reckless as he seems as a player he's very, very good at avoiding turnovers. But he's a super efficient playmaker and ball handler.

If you're a team where one guy dominate the ball (i.e. Lebron, Giannis, Simmons, etc.) then Smart is going to be a bad offensive player for you. You remove his best skills as a passer/playmaker in that case and put him into a spot where he can spot up shoot but he's not a huge plus there. But if you're a team where multiple people touch the ball and there's a lot of off ball action that requires secondary passes on plays then Smart would be a very good fit for your offense and far from an abysmal player on that end. Luckily, Boston is a system like that so he is a big part of our offense here.

[Mike lorenzo]

Let's say that the Smart agreement is not possible (I think fair) that they only trade it for a better player ..... How about with Thybulle ?? he is younger and , in a pleasant contract (which I suppose is valuable for 76er) .. what would it take ??

In the 2020 draft?

Top 5 lottery pick and they still might say no.

Thanks for your answer ... wow I have a lot to learn, the defense in NBA is really valued

[hugepatsfan]

Let's say that the Smart agreement is not possible (I think fair) that they only trade it for a better player ..... How about with Thybulle ?? he is younger and , in a pleasant contract (which I suppose is valuable for 76er) .. what would it take ??

In the 2020 draft?

Top 5 lottery pick and they still might say no.

Thanks for your answer ... wow I have a lot to learn, the defense in NBA is really valued

I think a big part of it is team situation. Guys like Smart, Thybulle, etc. are more valuable on teams like BOS/PHI that have aspirations of deep playoff runs. If one of those guys were on a team like Detroit they'd probably be much more available.

[Resistance]

Let's say that the Smart agreement is not possible (I think fair) that they only trade it for a better player ..... How about with Thybulle ?? he is younger and , in a pleasant contract (which I suppose is valuable for 76er) .. what would it take ??

In the 2020 draft?

Top 5 lottery pick and they still might say no.

Thanks for your answer ... wow I have a lot to learn, the defense in NBA is really valued

Think about the reasons that you suggested Thybulle as a player that Dallas should trade for.


Then think about where Dallas and Phialdelphia compare in the rebuild, growth, plateau and decline cycle.

[Mike lorenzo]

In the 2020 draft?

Top 5 lottery pick and they still might say no.

Thanks for your answer ... wow I have a lot to learn, the defense in NBA is really valued

I think a big part of it is team situation. Guys like Smart, Thybulle, etc. are more valuable on teams like BOS/PHI that have aspirations of deep playoff runs. If one of those guys were on a team like Detroit they'd probably be much more available.

seen that way what you say makes a lot of sense, Maxi or DFS occurs to me as the perfect example in Dallas

[Mike lorenzo]

It seems that the Smart and Thybulle stores are going nowhere ... we are looking to improve our defense, who is next on the list? Richardson and D. White both FA21? Doesn't it seem like a good idea to spend bullets for just one year? How determined? ... I really want to know that certain opinion Dejounte Murray and his adjustment in Mavs, do we have the assets to achieve it in a realistic way? (I think so,) although I also thought about Smart ... his defense is enormous and I think that his shot is not broken and could develop very well,

[Ell Curry]

I don't think Boston would trade Smart without getting a starting 5 in return and Brunson and Kemba can't play together defensively I would imagine, but if you can add a wing in a 3 team deal it could work:

Theis/_____
Brown/Tatum
Tatum/Hayward
_____/Langford
Walker/Brunson

Tough to see how you find a starting 2 guard or split time 5 in the deal that makes it worthwhile since they have taxpayer MLE to spend on that player and can just keep Smart.

Formula:

Dallas: Marcus Smart
Boston: (Starting Center from team that doesn't want Smart) + (Team X asset)
Team A: Jalen Brunson + (Dallas Asset)
Team X: Delon Wright

but tough to say who those fill ins would be (under like a 20M salary with scrubs like Kanter available to add). Smart-Hardaway-Doncic-Porzingis is a nice 4 though with bigs like Powell and Kleber and Finney-Smith, Delon Wright and Curry as the perimeter depth and probably still some free agency money in 2021 for a starting forward
to complete the starting 5 for Doncic's first contending team.

[Michaellam1987]

Marcus Smart is excellent role player that can fit almost every team, including DAL

[Mike lorenzo]

I was spying on the warriors forum and I found this Maxi + Dorian + # 18 for # 1 2020GSW this draft is weak and i love kleber and dodo but this looks so sweet