2020 NBA Draft Discussion (18th and 31st pick)

[Teffer10]

What do you fellas think?

Are we good enough to draft for need? Or do we take BPA?

I think you should always go BPA but I also think "fit" is something to consider as well.
Some mock drafts have us taking Stewart who I think is a horrible fit.

If Aleksej Pokusevski is on the board when we pick I think he'll be far and away the BPA and a perfect fit.
However he isn't really a need.
But a 7 footer with a super smooth shooting stroke with unlimited range who can handle the ball like a guard is something you can't pass on at pick 18. One of the youngest players in the draft with an enormous upside. Only real negative is lack of strength but that will come in time.

No way should Donnie pass on that kid if Vassell and Nesmith are off the board.

[arkuo]

What do you fellas think?

Are we good enough to draft for need? Or do we take BPA?

I think you should always go BPA but I also think "fit" is something to consider as well.
Some mock drafts have us taking Stewart who I think is a horrible fit.

If Aleksej Pokusevski is on the board when we pick I think he'll be far and away the BPA and a perfect fit.
However he isn't really a need.
But a 7 footer with a super smooth shooting stroke with unlimited range who can handle the ball like a guard is something you can't pass on at pick 18. One of the youngest players in the draft with an enormous upside. Only real negative is lack of strength but that will come in time.

No way should Donnie pass on that kid if Vassell and Nesmith are off the board.

Agreed with Nesmith or Vassell.

I've also seen mock drafts of us getting RJ Hampton or Tyrese Maxey at 18. Still guards but these remind me of Jason Terry playing off ball next to Kidd (Doncic)

[Darren]

Clearly, I want Vassell or Nesmith. But Bey is perfectly fine. Less ready for sure. But Saddiq Bey is comparable to Marion with the awful mechanics and layups as well. The Mavs is not very good getting rookies bulk up but still, Bey has lottery potential with risks of course. Remember that Marion was 9th overall pick in draft. At 18, there's not much chance for that kind of talent.

[Mike lorenzo]

In 1 place I must admit that the only thing I know about the guys from the Draft is what I read to you and do research on the internet ... Vasell, Bey, Nesmith, Green, Achiuwa seem interesting, but if it depends on me, I would do everything possible to Deni Avidja and it may not be the best fit for what you need mavs, but the boy is brimming with talent, just today some statements were made by the boy in the Marca newspaper (Spain) where he talks about Luka and how lucky he was to arrive Mavs, Carlisse to be the perfect coach plus the figure of Dirk

[Darren]

#31 prospect.

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[youngWizzy]

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[Darren]

In 1 place I must admit that the only thing I know about the guys from the Draft is what I read to you and do research on the internet ... Vasell, Bey, Nesmith, Green, Achiuwa seem interesting, but if it depends on me, I would do everything possible to Deni Avidja and it may not be the best fit for what you need mavs, but the boy is brimming with talent, just today some statements were made by the boy in the Marca newspaper (Spain) where he talks about Luka and how lucky he was to arrive Mavs, Carlisse to be the perfect coach plus the figure of Dirk

Yes, this is kind of player, I mean player with Deni Avidja skillsets, the Mavs should have been looking for. But which team will technically bite on an offer with #18, #31 and Jalen? The Mavs seems to lack assets to pull off another blockcluster trade. If it happens, I don't mind the Mavs escape from the Giannis chase. I am not sure I like Josh Green enough. I think Green is not really better than Wright who is also not very good to me. Struggling to finish the rim a lot is a huge problem for a swingman prospect.

[Don7]

If you cant trade picks(and something)for Aaron Gordon like player(i like the fit)you draft two cheap contracts that will be useful with Luka max really soon.Especially because you don't have much future picks/cheap contracts coming your way.This draft is not top heavy but its deep and you can get a player with 31 let alone with 18.When you factor in development in Dallas(Dorian,Maxi etc)you need to respect the draft,something Dallas was not doing few years ago.I have my favorites but i kinde of change my tune regarding wing obsession,if Kira Lewis/Theo Maledon i i sure will trust Donnie and Tony Ronzone scouting and ability of does players to play alongside Luka,Jahmi'us Ramsey also,guard smaller guards and ability to play of the ball.

With KP realising that center position is his best,Powell on the books,Bobi,Willy? and Maxi playing some minutes at five we probably good on big man,but at 31 if you have Jalen Smith/Isaiah Stewart/Paul Reed as best option,ok? Spurs and many others showed us how valuable this kind of picks can be,when you pick a player to fill certine role without expectation to be a go to guy,All this prospect can look better playing alongside Luka(OB1)and that's the luxury.Dallas has basically two first round picks,i mean Dorian from undrafted guy in few year has become perfect 3D player and was not close to 18/31 pick.You have your Larkins but role that Shane was supposed to play and players that will be drafted? in 2020 have nothing in common.If nothing else they will be young players on cheap contracts that you could use in draft down the road.Excited for the draft,i would sweat hard if "i had" top 5 pick,to make a correct decision.But 18 and 31 is perfect,just be patient and wait for board to falls to you.

[Pointguard01]

What do you fellas think?

Are we good enough to draft for need? Or do we take BPA?

I think you should always go BPA but I also think "fit" is something to consider as well.
Some mock drafts have us taking Stewart who I think is a horrible fit.

If Aleksej Pokusevski is on the board when we pick I think he'll be far and away the BPA and a perfect fit.
However he isn't really a need.
But a 7 footer with a super smooth shooting stroke with unlimited range who can handle the ball like a guard is something you can't pass on at pick 18. One of the youngest players in the draft with an enormous upside. Only real negative is lack of strength but that will come in time.

No way should Donnie pass on that kid if Vassell and Nesmith are off the board.

Agreed. ESP when you’re talking #18 and #31, you take BPA (that can succeed in your system). I also love Vassell. Would trade #18, #31 and something else (Wright? Brunson?) to move up for him.

If you cant trade picks(and something)for Aaron Gordon like player(i like the fit)you draft two cheap contracts that will be useful with Luka max really soon.

I actually don’t mind this. If you could pull it off, DFS probably needs to go to the bench with a shooter in his place. Not sure you can survive with both Gordon and DFS in the starting lineup. But, Gordon would be a really good fit next to KP and if he accepted the Draymond Green role, could be such a great option off the roll to finish or distribute.

Challenge would be to create a deal. Don’t see anything obvious with Orlando.

[Teffer10]

I'm kinda liking Paul Reed for the 31st pick if we don't pick a PF at 18.
I'm a firm believer in BPA, especially in the second round, but this kid could be both.
Good length, athleticism, and touch with a decent 3pt percentage (about 36% over the past two seasons). Could be a nice 3-D big wing which would fill a need. His shot-blocking ability and rebounding could make him a 5 in a small-ball lineup.

Doesn't seem to have a strong motor but he kind of reminds me of Aminu with a more natural looking shot.

[JJP]

Just recently saw a mock draft suggesting 6' 6" shooting guard Desmond Bane from TCU going to Dallas. Since I had never heard of this guy in relationship to the NBA draft, I thought I should do a search. I'm familiar with most of the good wings going in the mid-1st, but not him.

Interesting. According to experts, this guy has been moving up in several mock drafts recently. Good physical body, terrific 3-point shot, and apparently a smart guy on the court. The knock on him will be his age, as he's stayed in college (22-years old) even though he was draft material last year.

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Anyone seen him play at TCU?

[Pointguard01]

Just recently saw a mock draft suggesting 6' 6" shooting guard Desmond Bane from TCU going to Dallas. Since I had never heard of this guy in relationship to the NBA draft, I thought I should do a search. I'm familiar with most of the good wings going in the mid-1st, but not him.

Interesting. According to experts, this guy has been moving up in several mock drafts recently. Good physical body, terrific 3-point shot, and apparently a smart guy on the court. The knock on him will be his age, as he's stayed in college (22-years old) even though he was draft material last year.

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Anyone seen him play at TCU

Gives me Malcolm Brogdon vibes. Which that type of player would be such a good fit on this team. Someone I would be interested in at #31

[dirkforpres]

Just recently saw a mock draft suggesting 6' 6" shooting guard Desmond Bane from TCU going to Dallas. Since I had never heard of this guy in relationship to the NBA draft, I thought I should do a search. I'm familiar with most of the good wings going in the mid-1st, but not him.

Interesting. According to experts, this guy has been moving up in several mock drafts recently. Good physical body, terrific 3-point shot, and apparently a smart guy on the court. The knock on him will be his age, as he's stayed in college (22-years old) even though he was draft material last year.

Video -

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Anyone seen him play at TCU?

I followed college basketball fairly closely this year and Bane is a decent 2nd round prospect in my opinion but anywhere in the 1st is way too high.

I think Deni Avdija would be perfect for this team but he’s gonna go high... too high for Dallas to trade up for in all likelihood.

One interesting thing though is that lately I’ve seen RJ Hampton slipping in a lot of mocks, and I enjoyed his game. For a long time it seemed like he was a top 8 prospect so I’m not sure what happened to change that. If he’s gone by the time the Mavs picked in the first, I would hope that Dallas tries to trade up for him by combining the picks.

[Mike lorenzo]

Just recently saw a mock draft suggesting 6' 6" shooting guard Desmond Bane from TCU going to Dallas. Since I had never heard of this guy in relationship to the NBA draft, I thought I should do a search. I'm familiar with most of the good wings going in the mid-1st, but not him.

Interesting. According to experts, this guy has been moving up in several mock drafts recently. Good physical body, terrific 3-point shot, and apparently a smart guy on the court. The knock on him will be his age, as he's stayed in college (22-years old) even though he was draft material last year.

Video -

Watch on YouTube

Anyone seen him play at TCU?

I followed college basketball fairly closely this year and Bane is a decent 2nd round prospect in my opinion but anywhere in the 1st is way too high.

I think Deni Avdija would be perfect for this team but he’s gonna go high... too high for Dallas to trade up for in all likelihood.

One interesting thing though is that lately I’ve seen RJ Hampton slipping in a lot of mocks, and I enjoyed his game. For a long time it seemed like he was a top 8 prospect so I’m not sure what happened to change that. If he’s gone by the time the Mavs picked in the first, I would hope that Dallas tries to trade up for him by combining the picks.

I have not seen any of the boys I only saw reports, Vassell, Nesmith, Bey it seems that they have gone to # 18, what do you think of Ramsey, achiuwa, Patrick Williams, Green I like them in that order.

[aguiar95]

Here's my Mavs Top 40 Big Board:

Tier I: Potential stars next to Luka and KP (we don't have the assets to get them).

1) A. Edwards
2) J. Wiseman

Tier II: Love the fit here, potential starters (I would trade up to get them, very unlikely).

3) D. Vassell
4) D. Avdija
5) T. Maxey
6) T. Haliburton
7) O. Okongwu

Tier III: Questionable fit here, but great starters somewhere else (won't be available at #18 and we shouldn't trade up to get them).

8) K. Hayes
9) K. Lewis Jr.
10) O. Toppin
11) I. Okoro
12) R.J. Hampton
13) C. Anthony
14) L. Ball

Tier IV: #18 candidates (5th starter/8th man from the bench, probably will be available at #18).

15) P. Achiuwa
16) S. Bey
17) P. Williams
18) A. Nesmith
19) J. Green
20) J. Smith
21) T. Maledon

Tier V: #31 candidates (15mpg bench role players, probably will be available at #31).

22) T. Bey
23) A. Pokusevski
24) X. Tillman
25) L. Bolmaro
26) Z. Nnaji
27) P. Reed
28) D. Bane
29) K. Tillie

Tier VI: If we trade down, I would like to see them in a Mavs uniform.

30) T. Jones
31) I. Quickley
32) J. Ramsey
33) N. Mannion
34) I. Joe
35) T. Terry
36) J. McDaniels
37) D. Oturo
38) C. Kispert
39) G. Riller
40) J. Nwora

[Mike lorenzo]

Here's my Mavs Top 40 Big Board:

Tier I: Potential stars next to Luka and KP (we don't have the assets to get them).

1) A. Edwards
2) J. Wiseman

Tier II: Love the fit here, potential starters (I would trade up to get them, very unlikely).

3) D. Vassell
4) D. Avdija
5) T. Maxey
6) T. Haliburton
7) O. Okongwu

Tier III: Questionable fit here, but great starters somewhere else (won't be available at #18 and we shouldn't trade up to get them).

8) K. Hayes
9) K. Lewis Jr.
10) O. Toppin
11) I. Okoro
12) R.J. Hampton
13) C. Anthony
14) L. Ball

Tier IV: #18 candidates (5th starter/8th man from the bench, probably will be available at #18).

15) P. Achiuwa
16) S. Bey
17) P. Williams
18) A. Nesmith
19) J. Green
20) J. Smith
21) T. Maledon

Tier V: #31 candidates (15mpg bench role players, probably will be available at #31).

22) T. Bey
23) A. Pokusevski
24) X. Tillman
25) L. Bolmaro
26) Z. Nnaji
27) P. Reed
28) D. Bane
29) K. Tillie

Tier VI: If we trade down, I would like to see them in a Mavs uniform.

30) T. Jones
31) I. Quickley
32) J. Ramsey
33) N. Mannion
34) I. Joe
35) T. Terry
36) J. McDaniels
37) D. Oturo
38) C. Kispert
39) G. Riller
40) J. Nwora

Thank you ... I did not have Maxey so high, nor Ramsey so low, why do you think Okoro is not a good fit? I had him as a multi-position defender with potential elite something like OG Anunoby

[JJP]

It seems to me that if they wish to actually acquire draft picks, the several 3-and-D players found in the mid-first are the obvious choices. However, In this case the Mavs may be better off if they emphasize the "D-part" rather than perimeter shooting. In other words, A Patrick Williams or Josh Green may have more to offer this team than Bey or even Nesmith because of their athleticism and defense (I doubt Bey or Nesmith will be there for the Mavs anyway). I think someone like DFS with a a stronger upside would be a good choice.

If we assume Hardaway is in the long-range plan for the Mavs, a mobile defensive specialist may have more value for the makeup of this particular team. I'm not sure we need a player who needs the ball in his hands given the players we have now.

The Mavericks were very conscious of getting value in the last draft without gambling - perhaps because of the outlook in the 2021 FA market. If this conservative fiscal attitude is part of that 2021 FA outlook, then I suspect this draft to be no different. I'll be surprised if they go for any blockbuster deal. This draft looks like it has what the Mavs need in the mid-first and early second rounds, so I'm guessing they stick with it.

[Mike lorenzo]

It seems to me that if they wish to actually acquire draft picks, the several 3-and-D players found in the mid-first are the obvious choices. However, In this case the Mavs may be better off if they emphasize the "D-part" rather than perimeter shooting. In other words, A Patrick Williams or Josh Green may have more to offer this team than Bey or even Nesmith because of their athleticism and defense (I doubt either one of those players will be there for the Mavs anyway). I think someone like DFS with a a stronger upside would be a good choice.

If we assume Hardaway is in the long-range plan for the Mavs, a mobile defensive specialist may have more value for the makeup of this particular team. I'm not sure we need a player who needs the ball in his hands given the players we have now.

The Mavericks were very conscious of getting value in the last draft without gambling - perhaps because of the outlook in the 2021 FA market. If this conservative fiscal attitude is part of that 2021 FA outlook, then I suspect this draft to be no different. I'll be surprised if they go for any blockbuster deal. This draft looks like it has what the Mavs need in the mid-first and early second rounds, so I'm guessing they stick with it.

any particular taste?

[JJP]

any particular taste?

The honest answer here is that I think P. Williams looks good on paper (and video) because of his athleticism - something the Mavs lack. His defense and shot-blocking are noteworthy according to the profiles I've read. However, I think he gets picked above the Mavs. So after him (and maybe Green), I'm not as comfortable at finding the right fit.

[aguiar95]

Thank you ... I did not have Maxey so high, nor Ramsey so low, why do you think Okoro is not a good fit? I had him as a multi-position defender with potential elite something like OG Anunoby

His shot is a red-flag to me, especially when you take into consideration our system and the USG% Doncic have. Don't get me wrong, he's a good talent and projects to be the best defender in this class (multi-positional), but I'm not trading up unless I'm sure the guy will fit our core.