2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 5) -LOTTO 8/25 DRAFT 10/15!

[thebuzzardman]

I love Donovan, but I think I like Booker better

I do too, but I really think the play is Donovan.

I'd rather Booker, but he signed a 5/158 Million contract extension July 2018. So 4 years left.
Booker is more important to the Suns than Donovan is to the Jazz.
The NYC connections of Donovan, his dad, etc.
Knicks get the guy who drafted him
Gut feeling it's Donovan.

if the target is donovan then trading up for LaMelo doesn't make too much sense. Because you will need assets to trade for Donovan and Donovan is a guy that has the ball in his hands a lot which kinda downplays the value of LaMelo.

If Donovan is the guy just stick at 6-8 and pick Haliburton and save the tradable assets to trade for Donvoan because Utah isn't letting him go for free.

I know people think the knicks have all these great assets, but we don't have enough to trade up for LaMelo and trade for Donvoan unless you are also trading RJ and Mitch + future picks to do it...and that would make zero sense.

I think the Knicks are going for D.M. and he for them, one way or another.

It'll be a KP/AD/etc "trade me" or he'll take a 1 year QO and be a FA and it'll happen then.

Agreed the assets to move up for LaMelo and get D.M could be prohibitive. IF the draft position between the Knicks and the team that might draft LaMelo is close, it might not take that much.

While D.M. SHOULD cost assets, and will, it may not be that steep if he signals to the Jazz he's just going to walk in a year.

Some combination of LaMelo\Haliburton and D.M wind up on the Knicks, even if the entire process takes 18 months for the D.M. part to work out.

[3toheadmelo]

Zach LaVine is probably more realistic than Mitchell and Booker cause his situation in Chicago is 10x worse than theirs. His production is basically identical to Booker

Both there offensive production is really good, it just doesn't lead to wins.

I think if we were going after someone Donovan Mitchell is the best of the 3.

Can’t blame them for losing cause of the situations their in, although the Suns look like they are starting to turn the corner.

LaVine plays for Jim Boylen.. the worst coach in the whole league. On top of their front office is the worst too.

Utah has been good since before Mitchell got there. Pretty sure if you put Mitchell on the Bulls or suns not much would change.

[newyorker4ever]

Or it could be draft full of surprises and sleepers. Some of these dudes slotted from 10 -25 will suprise us Im sure. Wisemann , I really have no clue...I get the feeling his offensive ceiling is really high bu t then I also get the feeling he'll bust...

Cole 's stock seems to be int he 10-14 range right now, I don't see anybody picking him top 5 - except us maybe

Who ever gets Kira Lewis will be more than happy IMO

Haliburton man , dont know what it is about that guy but I think he'll be way better than he should be. Meaning his all around game and iq will make up for his pedestrian handle.

And of course I feel like Killian Hayes is a real gem....

There will absolutely be guys taken outside the lottery that will be better than multiple players that will get drafted in the lottery and K.Lewis is at the top of my list of guys i think will have that chance. Some others are P.Williams (FSU F) T.Terry (Stanford PG) Poku (Euro kid) J.McDaniels (Wash SF) and a few others.

This draft is gonna be real tricky to find good/great players in and i think there will be many disappointments to come out of this draft, just hope the Knicks get some luck and hit big in this draft especially with whoever we take with that lottery pick and hope to come away with players that can help in some way with the Clippers and Charlotte picks if we don't use them to trade up.

I gave the And1 for W.Perrin but Mr Rose hasn't done anything to deserve any And1's yet, hopefully every offseason he earns himself multiple And1's for his personnel moves he makes along with Perrin and S.Perry.

[newyorker4ever]

Knicks are going to draft LaMelo, even if they have to trade up to do it
Donovan Mitchell is going to talk his way out of Utah and his RFA status via WWW/Leon Rose/Perrin & a S&T will happen
This the game plan to solve PG/SG for the next 8 years.

Buzztrodamus has spoken

I love Donovan, but I think I like Booker better

I love Booker for his shooting but the guy has been one of the best shooters/scorers in the NBA since he's been in the NBA and his team is still one of the worst in the league every single year and they have plenty of good young talent on that team. I want great players but not great players that don't make the players around him better. This is the same reason i'd pass on guys like KAT if we ever have the chance to get him.

[HEZI]

Zach LaVine is probably more realistic than Mitchell and Booker cause his situation in Chicago is 10x worse than theirs. His production is basically identical to Booker

Both there offensive production is really good, it just doesn't lead to wins.

I think if we were going after someone Donovan Mitchell is the best of the 3.

Can’t blame them for losing cause of the situations their in, although the Suns look like they are starting to turn the corner.

LaVine plays for Jim Boylen.. the worst coach in the whole league. On top of their front office is the worst too.

Utah has been good since before Mitchell got there. Pretty sure if you put Mitchell on the Bulls or suns not much would change.

Strange coincidence but all 3 of them were the 13th overall pick

Lavine 13th overall in 2014, Booker 13th overall in 2015, Mitchell 13th overall in 2017

We need to land the 13th overall pick. Last year the Heat drafted Tyler Herro 13th overall

[3toheadmelo]

Both there offensive production is really good, it just doesn't lead to wins.

I think if we were going after someone Donovan Mitchell is the best of the 3.

Can’t blame them for losing cause of the situations their in, although the Suns look like they are starting to turn the corner.

LaVine plays for Jim Boylen.. the worst coach in the whole league. On top of their front office is the worst too.

Utah has been good since before Mitchell got there. Pretty sure if you put Mitchell on the Bulls or suns not much would change.

Strange coincidence but all 3 of them were the 13th overall pick

Lavine 13th overall in 2014, Booker 13th overall in 2015, Mitchell 13th overall in 2017

We need to land the 13th overall pick. Last year the Heat drafted Tyler Herro 13th overall

Your boy Cole is projected to go #13 in DX’s latest mock too

[newyorker4ever]

Holmes put up similar numbers as a sophomore and he was even shooting outside shots. OO has a broken jumper that looks like this

Watch on YouTube

One of the worst decision makers with the ball, dude looks lost trying to make plays. Absolutely terrible. No NBA team is going to depend on this dude to make anything happen with the ball in his hands, they will instruct him to set screens and finish under the basket. No playmaking or outside shooting at all whatsoever. He also has ways to go defensively, he jumps at every pump fake and looks unbalanced on his reactions. Dude is going to be baited into so many fouls he wont be able to stay on the floor for many minutes. Kid is a raw project

You seem to be overlooking the fact that players do get better as they grow into young men and grown men and that many just get better because the way the NBA game is played is more suited to the way they like to play. We also don't know if these kids were asked to do certain things or play a certain way by their college coaches. To try to predict what a player will be in the NBA and be right about it would mean you could be the best GM the NBA has ever seen cause there hasn't been one yet that can do that.

Let me know when OO learns to actually dribble, pass, shoot, etc.

Til then it's pretty easy to predict his role in the NBA

You're still missing the point of everything i said. We, and that means every one of us, won't know until we actually see it. Nobody knows how any of these kids' game will translate to the NBA game until we see it. Yeah we can all watch their game tape and watch highlight videos on the tv and internet but every single draft there's players taken in the lottery or 1st round that end up busts and there's players taken in the mid 1st or late 1st or 2nd round that end up better players than multiple players chosen above them. It's because there's just no way to tell how a players game will make that adjustment. We don't know if these players were asked to focus on playing a certain way in college but when they get to a team in the NBA and whatever system that team runs if that player is just better suited for that team/system and they take off in it and the same with if they get drafted to a team that plays a different game and runs a different system that doesn't work for that player.

There's no exact science to the draft game.

[HEZI]

Can’t blame them for losing cause of the situations their in, although the Suns look like they are starting to turn the corner.

LaVine plays for Jim Boylen.. the worst coach in the whole league. On top of their front office is the worst too.

Utah has been good since before Mitchell got there. Pretty sure if you put Mitchell on the Bulls or suns not much would change.

Strange coincidence but all 3 of them were the 13th overall pick

Lavine 13th overall in 2014, Booker 13th overall in 2015, Mitchell 13th overall in 2017

We need to land the 13th overall pick. Last year the Heat drafted Tyler Herro 13th overall

Your boy Cole is projected to go #13 in DX’s latest mock too

[newyorker4ever]

Definitely would take a deep look at him with our second round pick. Very talented. He signed an agent so he’s not going to Louisville anymore

Read on Twitter

I've seen a few mocks with us taking him with our 2nd round pick but don't know much about him and there's a couple mocks that have us drafting Isaiah Stewart (PF Wash) with that Clippers pick. Anyone know much about either of them?

[HEZI]

You seem to be overlooking the fact that players do get better as they grow into young men and grown men and that many just get better because the way the NBA game is played is more suited to the way they like to play. We also don't know if these kids were asked to do certain things or play a certain way by their college coaches. To try to predict what a player will be in the NBA and be right about it would mean you could be the best GM the NBA has ever seen cause there hasn't been one yet that can do that.

Let me know when OO learns to actually dribble, pass, shoot, etc.

Til then it's pretty easy to predict his role in the NBA

You're still missing the point of everything i said. We, and that means every one of us, won't know until we actually see it. Nobody knows how any of these kids' game will translate to the NBA game until we see it. Yeah we can all watch their game tape and watch highlight videos on the tv and internet but every single draft there's players taken in the lottery or 1st round that end up busts and there's players taken in the mid 1st or late 1st or 2nd round that end up better players than multiple players chosen above them. It's because there's just no way to tell how a players game will make that adjustment. We don't know if these players were asked to focus on playing a certain way in college but when they get to a team in the NBA and whatever system that team runs if that player is just better suited for that team/system and they take off in it and the same with if they get drafted to a team that plays a different game and runs a different system that doesn't work for that player.

There's no exact science to the draft game.

Right, so what's this OO hype about? Isaiah Stewart destroyed him in their matchup and Stewart can do all the same things as him plus he's shown more versatility in his game. Jalen Smith too looks more skilled than him. I'm just not getting this Okongwu hype, he's not a unique prospect in any way but folks are hyping him up like he's something special.

[newyorker4ever]

My wish list with our later picks

Jahmi’us Ramsey
Jalen Smith
Paul Reed
Karim Mane
Payton Pritchard
Malachi Flynn
Jay Scrubb
Udoka Azubuike

No Patrick Williams?

[3toheadmelo]

Definitely would take a deep look at him with our second round pick. Very talented. He signed an agent so he’s not going to Louisville anymore

Read on Twitter

I've seen a few mocks with us taking him with our 2nd round pick but don't know much about him and there's a couple mocks that have us drafting Isaiah Stewart (PF Wash) with that Clippers pick. Anyone know much about either of them?

Scrubb is like a bigger Kevin Porter Jr. Great scorer but needs to work on other areas of his game. Would take the gamble on him cause he’s a pretty polished offensive player.

Stewart is ok...Undersized 4. His upside seems like a backup big imo.

[3toheadmelo]

My wish list with our later picks

Jahmi’us Ramsey
Jalen Smith
Paul Reed
Karim Mane
Payton Pritchard
Malachi Flynn
Jay Scrubb
Udoka Azubuike

No Patrick Williams?

He’s alright but not that impressed with him. Gives me Jeff Green vibes

[newyorker4ever]

Zach LaVine is probably more realistic than Mitchell and Booker cause his situation in Chicago is 10x worse than theirs. His production is basically identical to Booker

Both there offensive production is really good, it just doesn't lead to wins.

I think if we were going after someone Donovan Mitchell is the best of the 3.

Can’t blame them for losing cause of the situations their in, although the Suns look like they are starting to turn the corner.

LaVine plays for Jim Boylen.. the worst coach in the whole league. On top of their front office is the worst too.

Utah has been good since before Mitchell got there. Pretty sure if you put Mitchell on the Bulls or suns not much would change.

Are you gonna double down on your claim that the Suns will have a better record than Dallas???

[newyorker4ever]

Let me know when OO learns to actually dribble, pass, shoot, etc.

Til then it's pretty easy to predict his role in the NBA

You're still missing the point of everything i said. We, and that means every one of us, won't know until we actually see it. Nobody knows how any of these kids' game will translate to the NBA game until we see it. Yeah we can all watch their game tape and watch highlight videos on the tv and internet but every single draft there's players taken in the lottery or 1st round that end up busts and there's players taken in the mid 1st or late 1st or 2nd round that end up better players than multiple players chosen above them. It's because there's just no way to tell how a players game will make that adjustment. We don't know if these players were asked to focus on playing a certain way in college but when they get to a team in the NBA and whatever system that team runs if that player is just better suited for that team/system and they take off in it and the same with if they get drafted to a team that plays a different game and runs a different system that doesn't work for that player.

There's no exact science to the draft game.

Right, so what's this OO hype about? Isaiah Stewart destroyed him in their matchup and Stewart can do all the same things as him plus he's shown more versatility in his game. Jalen Smith too looks more skilled than him. I'm just not getting this Okongwu hype, he's not a unique prospect in any way but folks are hyping him up like he's something special.

I guess it's just people that do believe in his talent just like you don't believe in it, but that's just them assuming he'll be a good NBA player by what they've seen of him and believe he'll grow into because many of these kids are gonna get better as they grow and some aren't but nobody will know until it's actually seen. He could end up a big fat dud or he could end up finding a great fit for him and become a good/great player. Lets just hope that if we draft him it's the latter.

[newyorker4ever]

My wish list with our later picks

Jahmi’us Ramsey
Jalen Smith
Paul Reed
Karim Mane
Payton Pritchard
Malachi Flynn
Jay Scrubb
Udoka Azubuike

No Patrick Williams?

He’s alright but not that impressed with him. Gives me Jeff Green vibes

I like his defensive potential which i see being much better than J.Greens. I also like his teammate D.Vassell for his 3-D potential.

[3toheadmelo]

Both there offensive production is really good, it just doesn't lead to wins.

I think if we were going after someone Donovan Mitchell is the best of the 3.

Can’t blame them for losing cause of the situations their in, although the Suns look like they are starting to turn the corner.

LaVine plays for Jim Boylen.. the worst coach in the whole league. On top of their front office is the worst too.

Utah has been good since before Mitchell got there. Pretty sure if you put Mitchell on the Bulls or suns not much would change.

Are you gonna double down on your claim that the Suns will have a better record than Dallas???

Aytons suspension and injuries prevented that but when he came back they blew out Dallas by 29 points and their starting lineup has the best net rating in the league Next year you will see lol

[HEZI]

You're still missing the point of everything i said. We, and that means every one of us, won't know until we actually see it. Nobody knows how any of these kids' game will translate to the NBA game until we see it. Yeah we can all watch their game tape and watch highlight videos on the tv and internet but every single draft there's players taken in the lottery or 1st round that end up busts and there's players taken in the mid 1st or late 1st or 2nd round that end up better players than multiple players chosen above them. It's because there's just no way to tell how a players game will make that adjustment. We don't know if these players were asked to focus on playing a certain way in college but when they get to a team in the NBA and whatever system that team runs if that player is just better suited for that team/system and they take off in it and the same with if they get drafted to a team that plays a different game and runs a different system that doesn't work for that player.

There's no exact science to the draft game.

Right, so what's this OO hype about? Isaiah Stewart destroyed him in their matchup and Stewart can do all the same things as him plus he's shown more versatility in his game. Jalen Smith too looks more skilled than him. I'm just not getting this Okongwu hype, he's not a unique prospect in any way but folks are hyping him up like he's something special.

I guess it's just people that do believe in his talent just like you don't believe in it, but that's just them assuming he'll be a good NBA player by what they've seen of him and believe he'll grow into because many of these kids are gonna get better as they grow and some aren't but nobody will know until it's actually seen. He could end up a big fat dud or he could end up finding a great fit for him and become a good/great player. Lets just hope that if we draft him it's the latter.

I'd rather hope we don't draft him and let somebody else spend time developing him. We got one big with limited offense, drafting another especially with a lotto pick doesn't make much sense. If they want to gamble on a big like that with a later pick then fine but we gotta aim higher with our lotto pick. If we really needed a big like him then I can understand but we don't we really don't need him. If we want to take a big with that lotto pick then it needs to be somebody who is brining more offensive versatility from day one, you can have those same improvement expectations from a player that is coming in with better tools already and then hope he keeps getting even better with those tools he currently has. A project big makes absolutely no sense for the Knicks right now, none!

[HEZI]

Can’t blame them for losing cause of the situations their in, although the Suns look like they are starting to turn the corner.

LaVine plays for Jim Boylen.. the worst coach in the whole league. On top of their front office is the worst too.

Utah has been good since before Mitchell got there. Pretty sure if you put Mitchell on the Bulls or suns not much would change.

Are you gonna double down on your claim that the Suns will have a better record than Dallas???

Aytons suspension and injuries prevented that but when he came back they blew out Dallas by 29 points and their starting lineup has the best net rating in the league Next year you will see lol

I remember that game. Booker was running circles around Doncic.

[mpharris36]

Zach LaVine is probably more realistic than Mitchell and Booker cause his situation in Chicago is 10x worse than theirs. His production is basically identical to Booker

Both there offensive production is really good, it just doesn't lead to wins.

I think if we were going after someone Donovan Mitchell is the best of the 3.

Can’t blame them for losing cause of the situations their in, although the Suns look like they are starting to turn the corner.

LaVine plays for Jim Boylen.. the worst coach in the whole league. On top of their front office is the worst too.

Utah has been good since before Mitchell got there. Pretty sure if you put Mitchell on the Bulls or suns not much would change.

i mean I'll give a little bit of pass to lavine because the bulls are bad and Lauri had a bad year.

BUt the suns have no excuse to be bad. Booker, Ayton had a really good year, Oubre was good, Bridges/Rubio/Baynes are solid role players. There is no reason memphis is a 500 taem and the Suns are 13 games under if you just look at from a talent perspective.

And if Booker wants to be considered one of the best players he simply needs to start winning more.

I mean look at the Suns roster and the Utah roster...can you honestly tell me if you consider Mitch and Booker a wash. Does utah really have that much better of a roster?

I think its because Utah's best player has more of an impact than the suns best player.