Just Sad, "Chicago sees deadliest Memorial Day weekend in four years"

[dice]

Doesn't matter what color you are bro. Kids are a reflection of their parents. That's how human life generally works

this is simply not logical. are the poor parenting skills a reflection of the grandparents? why didn't the grandparents do a good job? you can take this back as many generations as you want and suggest that nothing will ever change because people's lives are determined by how they were raised

the "greatest generation" of WWII heroes and heroines here in america raised a generation of hippies. those peace and love hippies raised the "me generation." people are in large part a product of their environment, but home life is only a fraction of that. and home life is not determined entirely by the values of the parents (e.g. income disparities). THAT's how human life generally works

[Dominator83]

Just seeing some news footage is depressing. How so many people can be so uncivilized is beyond me man.

P.S. Im sure we're about to see a major spike in Covid cases in the next week or 2 thats for damn sure

[dice]

Should have made a bet on how long until the obligatory "you disagree with me so you're racist" post.

you'd have lost that bet very quickly, chuckles. 'cause it hasn't happened yet...and won't

[logical_art]

The police officers who killed george floyd are human murdering criminals. And so are the Chicago citizen/crimminals who are way too frequently and consistently found on the south side of Chicago murdering handfuls of other innocent human being citizens on these summer weekends. And absolutely they are often Black. The difference from protesting and not is that the Police are supposed to be the good guys.Criminals will be criminals and must prosecuted. Its a fight that must be fought. But when the people charged with upholding these rights of the innocent become in fact the murders is when we should absolutely object and call for change.

In 2016, 2,870 black people were murdered by criminals, not police. In 2019, 235 black people were killed by police. We can assume a a significantly smaller number were not threatening the life of police and therefore essentially murders. So about 20x the number of people were murdered by criminals than by police. And yet the outrage and protest and media coverage seems like its inverse. Is that really justified? Is the killing of an innocent by a cop really more than 20x worse than the killing of an innocent by a criminal?

uh...your question was answered in the very post you responded to

there is nothing to protest when a criminal kills someone. this isn't complicated

And is that use of anger and outrage really going to produce the best results in terms of saving peoples lives in the future? Consider peoples limited attention and outrage, as well as the additional strain riots put on police - black community relations that likely make policing less effective.

are you joking? people are supposed to suppress their anger and outrage when something like this happens? know what happens if they DON'T express that outrage? very little. the killer cop wasn't even arrested until their was a damn riot

I think people who are passionate enough about an issue to organize protests and even burn **** down are obligated to be informed about that issue. That means reading not just the media/social media, but also statistics and academic papers.

"we know you're angry about your neighbor being murdered by a cop, but before you get all crazy and organize a protest, perhaps you should read these academic studies..."

There's plenty to protest when a criminal kills someone. City hall, the local precinct office, the home of the suspected criminal - pick one or more.

As far as efficacy, how effective were the Ferguson riots?

And yes, the truth should matter. I think it shows a poor view of the protest leaders to assume that it shouldnt.

[dice]

Right? It came right after the obligatory “Black people bring this on themselves” post.

I don't think anyone said this. Let's not oversimplify each others arguments to score cheap points. That's why this country is so polarized and good discourse across a variety of views so rare.

I got called that for saying that the criminal life starts at home. I guess facts are racist.

this is the second time you've been called out for suggesting that something is a fact that isn't a fact

it is NOT a fact that criminal life starts at home

9 times out of 10 your gonna be a reflection of your parents

not. even. close.

have you no awareness of families? even just watching fictional ones on tv? do you not recognize that multiple children being brought up in the same family very regularly turn out to be very different people? for example, i'm nothing like my sisters. and they're not particularly alike. and none of us are like our parents

[logical_art]

Right? It came right after the obligatory “Black people bring this on themselves” post.

I don't think anyone said this. Let's not oversimplify each others arguments to score cheap points. That's why this country is so polarized and good discourse across a variety of views so rare.

I got called that for saying that the criminal life starts at home. I guess facts are racist. Sorry, but you are who your parents teach you. If you bring them up with values and morals at a young age, they're highly likely to turn out to be positive contributors to society. And if you bring them up in a crime life, they're highly likely to be **** human beings.

Now yes I will there are outliers on both sides of that. Sometimes people that were bought up the right way turn out to be jerkoff human beings. And some people that were bought up in the crime life end up breaking that chain and living an honest life. Anybody's capable of that. But it's a special trait that's rare. 9 times out of 10 your gonna be a reflection of your parents

I think this is another oversimplification. Yes home environment and parenting matter, but so do a whole host of other factors.

[Dominator83]

I don't think anyone said this. Let's not oversimplify each others arguments to score cheap points. That's why this country is so polarized and good discourse across a variety of views so rare.

I got called that for saying that the criminal life starts at home. I guess facts are racist.

this is the second time you've been called out for suggesting that something is a fact that isn't a fact

it is NOT a fact that criminal life starts at home

9 times out of 10 your gonna be a reflection of your parents

not. even. close.

have you no awareness of families? even just watching fictional ones on tv? do you not recognize that multiple children being brought up in the same family very regularly turn out to be very different people? for example, i'm nothing like my sisters. and they're not particularly alike. and none of us are like our parents

If your born into a life of crime and illegal activity, thats all your gonna know. You have cases where kids commit armed robbery at like 10 years old. Where you think that came from and who do you think put them up to it? If your born into a household that has basic morales and values, the odds are you'll be much less likely to fall into that lifestyle.

[2018C3]

I don't think anyone said this. Let's not oversimplify each others arguments to score cheap points. That's why this country is so polarized and good discourse across a variety of views so rare.

I got called that for saying that the criminal life starts at home. I guess facts are racist.

this is the second time you've been called out for suggesting that something is a fact that isn't a fact

it is NOT a fact that criminal life starts at home

9 times out of 10 your gonna be a reflection of your parents

not. even. close.

have you no awareness of families? even just watching fictional ones on tv? do you not recognize that multiple children being brought up in the same family very regularly turn out to be very different people? for example, i'm nothing like my sisters. and they're not particularly alike. and none of us are like our parents

I agree some people are just born bad for no reason. I had a past friend who grew up in a positive atmosphere who could never manage to stay on the right side of the law. He is now dead, His younger brother is normal.

In general though, most people are greatly influenced by there upbringing.

[dice]

In 2016, 2,870 black people were murdered by criminals, not police. In 2019, 235 black people were killed by police. We can assume a a significantly smaller number were not threatening the life of police and therefore essentially murders. So about 20x the number of people were murdered by criminals than by police. And yet the outrage and protest and media coverage seems like its inverse. Is that really justified? Is the killing of an innocent by a cop really more than 20x worse than the killing of an innocent by a criminal?

uh...your question was answered in the very post you responded to

there is nothing to protest when a criminal kills someone. this isn't complicated

And is that use of anger and outrage really going to produce the best results in terms of saving peoples lives in the future? Consider peoples limited attention and outrage, as well as the additional strain riots put on police - black community relations that likely make policing less effective.

are you joking? people are supposed to suppress their anger and outrage when something like this happens? know what happens if they DON'T express that outrage? very little. the killer cop wasn't even arrested until their was a damn riot

I think people who are passionate enough about an issue to organize protests and even burn **** down are obligated to be informed about that issue. That means reading not just the media/social media, but also statistics and academic papers.

"we know you're angry about your neighbor being murdered by a cop, but before you get all crazy and organize a protest, perhaps you should read these academic studies..."

There's plenty to protest when a criminal kills someone. City hall, the local precinct office, the home of the suspected criminal - pick one or more

really? you're going to protest the home of the suspected criminal? what does that accomplish? that would not only be stupid but highly irresponsible. and you're protesting at the local precinct office because...they didn't stop the killing before it occurred? you're protesting at city hall because...local laws create murderers?

preposterous suggestions

As far as efficacy, how effective were the Ferguson riots?

how the hell should i know? i don't know the inner workings of the ferguson police department or those of neighboring communities. and neither do you. i'm guessing that there have been significant reforms. just the fact that they haven't been in the news since those riots suggests that efforts have been made. 'cause you can bet your ass that any further police screwups there would be cause for news coverage

And yes, the truth should matter.

absolutely nobody would disagree with that

[logical_art]

One issue I havent seen getting any attention is how many additional COVID19 infections and fatalities these protests and riots are causing. Why is this the exception to no large gatherings?

[logical_art]

uh...your question was answered in the very post you responded to

there is nothing to protest when a criminal kills someone. this isn't complicated


are you joking? people are supposed to suppress their anger and outrage when something like this happens? know what happens if they DON'T express that outrage? very little. the killer cop wasn't even arrested until their was a damn riot




"we know you're angry about your neighbor being murdered by a cop, but before you get all crazy and organize a protest, perhaps you should read these academic studies..."

There's plenty to protest when a criminal kills someone. City hall, the local precinct office, the home of the suspected criminal - pick one or more

really? you're going to protest the home of the suspected criminal? what does that accomplish? that would not only be stupid but highly irresponsible. and you're protesting at the local precinct office because...they didn't stop the killing before it occurred? you're protesting at city hall because...local laws create murderers?

preposterous suggestions

As far as efficacy, how effective were the Ferguson riots?

how the hell should i know? i don't know the inner workings of the ferguson police department or those of neighboring communities. and neither do you. i'm guessing that there have been significant reforms. just the fact that they haven't been in the news since those riots suggests that efforts have been made. 'cause you can bet your ass that any further police screwups there would be cause for news coverage

And yes, the truth should matter.

absolutely nobody would disagree with that

Considering what protests riots will accomplish doesnt seem like a priority. What does burning **** down accomplish? It's emotive. All of my proposed gestures are too.

[dice]

I got called that for saying that the criminal life starts at home. I guess facts are racist.

this is the second time you've been called out for suggesting that something is a fact that isn't a fact

it is NOT a fact that criminal life starts at home

9 times out of 10 your gonna be a reflection of your parents

not. even. close.

have you no awareness of families? even just watching fictional ones on tv? do you not recognize that multiple children being brought up in the same family very regularly turn out to be very different people? for example, i'm nothing like my sisters. and they're not particularly alike. and none of us are like our parents

If your born into a life of crime and illegal activity, thats all your gonna know. You have cases where kids commit armed robbery at like 10 years old. Where you think that came from and who do you think put them up to it?

have you ever heard of gangs?

armed robbery at 10 years old? that's your example? talk about an outlier. my guess is that your average 10 year old armed robber doesn't have parents who are armed robbers

If your born into a household that has basic morales and values, the odds are you'll be much less likely to fall into that lifestyle.

of course. much less likely is not "9 out of 10"

i GUARANTEE you that a big chunk of the criminal population did not have parents who were criminals. poverty is a much larger factor

[dice]

There's plenty to protest when a criminal kills someone. City hall, the local precinct office, the home of the suspected criminal - pick one or more

really? you're going to protest the home of the suspected criminal? what does that accomplish? that would not only be stupid but highly irresponsible. and you're protesting at the local precinct office because...they didn't stop the killing before it occurred? you're protesting at city hall because...local laws create murderers?

preposterous suggestions

As far as efficacy, how effective were the Ferguson riots?

how the hell should i know? i don't know the inner workings of the ferguson police department or those of neighboring communities. and neither do you. i'm guessing that there have been significant reforms. just the fact that they haven't been in the news since those riots suggests that efforts have been made. 'cause you can bet your ass that any further police screwups there would be cause for news coverage

And yes, the truth should matter.

absolutely nobody would disagree with that

Considering what protests riots will accomplish doesnt seem like a priority. What does burning **** down accomplish? It's emotive. All of my proposed gestures are too.

don't try to muddy the waters by conflating protests and riots. protests are 100% reasonable. riots are not

[dice]

One issue I havent seen getting any attention is how many additional COVID19 infections and fatalities these protests and riots are causing. Why is this the exception to no large gatherings?

bit of a different circumstance than a sunday service, don't you think? but yes, they should be wearing masks and attempting to social distance

[Dominator83]

really? you're going to protest the home of the suspected criminal? what does that accomplish? that would not only be stupid but highly irresponsible. and you're protesting at the local precinct office because...they didn't stop the killing before it occurred? you're protesting at city hall because...local laws create murderers?

preposterous suggestions


how the hell should i know? i don't know the inner workings of the ferguson police department or those of neighboring communities. and neither do you. i'm guessing that there have been significant reforms. just the fact that they haven't been in the news since those riots suggests that efforts have been made. 'cause you can bet your ass that any further police screwups there would be cause for news coverage


absolutely nobody would disagree with that

Considering what protests riots will accomplish doesnt seem like a priority. What does burning **** down accomplish? It's emotive. All of my proposed gestures are too.

don't try to muddy the waters by conflating protests and riots. protests are 100% reasonable. riots are not

Whats going on now is rioting, not protests. Especially here. What does Chicago have to do with what happened in Minnesota?

The people looting are just using that as an excuse

[Red8911]

One issue I havent seen getting any attention is how many additional COVID19 infections and fatalities these protests and riots are causing. Why is this the exception to no large gatherings?

Exactly this whole thing is just wrong on so many levels. They are also breaking/ stealing the poor peoples cars and businesses, that’s really messed up. Many will still say these are “peaceful protests” that’s the sad part, everyone should be condemning these actions.

[Dominator83]

One issue I havent seen getting any attention is how many additional COVID19 infections and fatalities these protests and riots are causing. Why is this the exception to no large gatherings?

I mentioned that in a P.S. above. But yep were gonna have a huge spike here no doubt about it. Im sure we'll have all our media people saying its because we re-opened too early. As if our economy needs more businesses going down under and more people out of work longer.

If we're gonna be having large gathering of craziness like that, might as well un-cancel all those concerts i had tickets to

[logical_art]

One issue I havent seen getting any attention is how many additional COVID19 infections and fatalities these protests and riots are causing. Why is this the exception to no large gatherings?

bit of a different circumstance than a sunday service, don't you think? but yes, they should be wearing masks and attempting to social distance

Yes churches opening is dumb political pandering. So is allowing these protests, which are taking place on a much larger scale.

[logical_art]

really? you're going to protest the home of the suspected criminal? what does that accomplish? that would not only be stupid but highly irresponsible. and you're protesting at the local precinct office because...they didn't stop the killing before it occurred? you're protesting at city hall because...local laws create murderers?

preposterous suggestions


how the hell should i know? i don't know the inner workings of the ferguson police department or those of neighboring communities. and neither do you. i'm guessing that there have been significant reforms. just the fact that they haven't been in the news since those riots suggests that efforts have been made. 'cause you can bet your ass that any further police screwups there would be cause for news coverage


absolutely nobody would disagree with that

Considering what protests riots will accomplish doesnt seem like a priority. What does burning **** down accomplish? It's emotive. All of my proposed gestures are too.

don't try to muddy the waters by conflating protests and riots. protests are 100% reasonable. riots are not

Reality is conflating them. And yes peaceful protests are legit in any other time than a pandemic where there is basically unanimous expert consensus that large gatherings are dangerous.

[Dominator83]

One issue I havent seen getting any attention is how many additional COVID19 infections and fatalities these protests and riots are causing. Why is this the exception to no large gatherings?

Exactly this whole thing is just wrong on so many levels. They are also breaking/ stealing the poor peoples cars and businesses, that’s really messed up. Many will still say these are “peaceful protests” that’s the sad part, everyone should be condemning these actions.

Yea its brutal too. These idiots aren't even smart enough to realize that causing extended shutdowns and stay at home orders due to the large incoming spike in cases, effects tens of thousands of black people too. There are lots of black people here that own businesses and work for a living and need to get back to it ASAP, just like everybody else. These places that are being looted and destroyed surely have blacks that work there, etc.

Destroying your own city, because your pissed about something that happened in a different city (not even in the same state), just shows how brainwashed and stupid our society really is.