Just Sad, "Chicago sees deadliest Memorial Day weekend in four years"

[dice]

When you say "the media has convinced the ignorant people to believe"- who exactly are your referring to by "the ignorant people"???

I know this is your cute way of implying that I'm racist (the common tactic of someone who can't debate using facts and logic), but I'll answer your question: I'm referring to the people that think that cops are indiscriminately killing people because they are black and doing so at disproportionate rates compared to the rest of society. As these riots have proven, it's people of all colors that believe this nonsense. And as I stated earlier, it seems like white people (lots of Antifa members) are committing a significant, if not majority, of the property damage and violence.

Don't turn this on me- you're the one who is calling people who disagree with your perspective "ignorant". Do you think Michael Jordon is ignorant? Michelle and Barack Obama? The many other prominent African Americans who have expressed their outrage at the ongoing police brutality aimed against black people? Have they all just been manipulated by the media, too?

the audacity of him saying this when the nation is engulfed in protests and riots because a cop indiscriminately killed a black man. not the first video we have of this kind of thing either. yet he won't produce a video of a white person being indiscriminately killed by a cop. him calling others ignorant is rich

the vast majority of police shootings involve civilians attempting to attack somebody. these tend to be the situations where white people are killed by police. and white people are more likely to be armed when killed

it is almost exclusively white men who commit mass shootings, yet they are often apprehended alive. does anybody think that would be the case with black men, who have been videotaped being killed by white cops for anything from walking in the street to being suspected of having counterfeit money? does anybody really think that a group of black men with huge firearms would be tolerated at a civic building?

[AshyLarrysDiaper]

bizarre

“Protest peacefully and you’ll have our respect.”

Sure.

Wtf? Blocking a highway is not peaceful. It’s absolutely dangerous. Bunch of **** idiots in that clip.

It wasn’t dangerous until someone willfully drove a semi into a crowd.

Peaceful doesn’t mean you only occupy sanctioned spaces or avoid disruption. Lots of peaceful protest is civil disobedience.

[SHO'NUFF]

“Protest peacefully and you’ll have our respect.”

Sure.

Wtf? Blocking a highway is not peaceful. It’s absolutely dangerous. Bunch of **** idiots in that clip.

It wasn’t dangerous until someone willfully drove a semi into a crowd.

Peaceful doesn’t mean you only occupy sanctioned spaces or avoid disruption. Lots of peaceful protest is civil disobedience.

Wrong. Go ahead and walk on a highway right now....don’t tell me it’s not dangerous and utterly stupid!

[AshyLarrysDiaper]

Wtf? Blocking a highway is not peaceful. It’s absolutely dangerous. Bunch of **** idiots in that clip.

It wasn’t dangerous until someone willfully drove a semi into a crowd.

Peaceful doesn’t mean you only occupy sanctioned spaces or avoid disruption. Lots of peaceful protest is civil disobedience.

Wrong. Go ahead and walk on a highway right now....don’t tell me it’s not dangerous and utterly stupid!

A single person walking onto a highway isn’t analogous to thousands of people taking over a highway at the same time. It isn’t without risk, but no protest is.

[SHO'NUFF]

It wasn’t dangerous until someone willfully drove a semi into a crowd.

Peaceful doesn’t mean you only occupy sanctioned spaces or avoid disruption. Lots of peaceful protest is civil disobedience.

Wrong. Go ahead and walk on a highway right now....don’t tell me it’s not dangerous and utterly stupid!

A single person walking onto a highway isn’t analogous to thousands of people taking over a highway at the same time. It isn’t without risk, but no protest is.

I absolutely disagree....go ahead and teach your kids it’s safe to do that in crowds. Tell them to go protest on the highway with a bunch of people.

[AshyLarrysDiaper]

Wrong. Go ahead and walk on a highway right now....don’t tell me it’s not dangerous and utterly stupid!

A single person walking onto a highway isn’t analogous to thousands of people taking over a highway at the same time. It isn’t without risk, but no protest is.

I absolutely disagree....go ahead and teach your kids it’s safe to do that in crowds. Tell them to go protest on the highway with a much of people.

Okay thanks.

[SHO'NUFF]

A single person walking onto a highway isn’t analogous to thousands of people taking over a highway at the same time. It isn’t without risk, but no protest is.

I absolutely disagree....go ahead and teach your kids it’s safe to do that in crowds. Tell them to go protest on the highway with a much of people.

Okay thanks.

You got it.

[dice]

“Protest peacefully and you’ll have our respect.”

Sure.

Wtf? Blocking a highway is not peaceful. It’s absolutely dangerous. Bunch of **** idiots in that clip.

It wasn’t dangerous until someone willfully drove a semi into a crowd.

Peaceful doesn’t mean you only occupy sanctioned spaces or avoid disruption. Lots of peaceful protest is civil disobedience.

urban highways throughout the country have been built in large part by eliminating black homes, destroying communities in the process. often intentionally. the dan ryan the south side in chicago conveniently walled off the irish white neighborhoods from the black neighborhoods, where blocks of public housing were then constructed

"if your goal was to clear slums, the best way to get bang for your buck was to use the highway as a slum clearance instrument" - nathan connolly, johns hopkins historian

there's also something of a historical touchstone given the MLK-led blockage of the bridge into selma on the way to montgomery, whether intended as a traffic nuisance or not

highways also allow travelers to avoid encountering poverty-stricken neighborhoods. particularly white workers in the suburbs (see "white flight") who can bypass minority communities going to work downtown. often highways were not even constructed with on/off ramps to black communities

[dice]

Wrong. Go ahead and walk on a highway right now....don’t tell me it’s not dangerous and utterly stupid!

A single person walking onto a highway isn’t analogous to thousands of people taking over a highway at the same time. It isn’t without risk, but no protest is.

I absolutely disagree....go ahead and teach your kids it’s safe to do that in crowds. Tell them to go protest on the highway with a bunch of people.

they're not just running into the highway without warning, dude. these things rarely result in people being hit by autos

[chitownsalesmen]

ultimately the rioting isn't going to change anything. It's going to radicalize the right even further and draw them even further away from the table. As someone who has a lot friends and family who are Chicago Police I can tell you the root of the problem is from a lack of proper training and screening for potential officers and the FOP's undying support of convicted officers that commit police brutality.

If I had to guess the % of rioters/protesters that even know what the FOP is I would wager its somewhere between 1-5%.

Its funny, I've been called every name in the book by both sides of my social circle all my liberal/democrat friends and family call me an authoritarian boot licker for expressing my disgust for the rioting and looting. Conversely I'm being called a socialist radical for expressing my dismay of police brutality to conservative/police supporters.

I feel like when both sides of the aisle hate what you say your striking a good balance thats probably close to the truth.

[SHO'NUFF]

A single person walking onto a highway isn’t analogous to thousands of people taking over a highway at the same time. It isn’t without risk, but no protest is.

I absolutely disagree....go ahead and teach your kids it’s safe to do that in crowds. Tell them to go protest on the highway with a bunch of people.

they're not just running into the highway without warning, dude. these things rarely result in people being hit by autos

Highway police are struck on highways when pulling people over. Accidents in middle of highway are still struck by cars moving 65 mph +

I’ll never accept anyone or young kids I actually care about to protest on a freaking highway. F that.

You guys are more than welcome to encourage that.

Go ahead and call me crazy for thinking it’s crazy.

[AshyLarrysDiaper]

I absolutely disagree....go ahead and teach your kids it’s safe to do that in crowds. Tell them to go protest on the highway with a bunch of people.

they're not just running into the highway without warning, dude. these things rarely result in people being hit by autos

Highway police are struck on highways when pulling people over. Accidents in middle of highway are still struck by cars moving 65 mph +

I’ll never accept anyone or young kids I actually care about to protest on a freaking highway. F that.

You guys are more than welcome to encourage that.

Go ahead and call me crazy for thinking it’s crazy.

Don't think you're crazy. I just don't think you're familiar with how it's done. What's your experience with protests in general?

[chitownsalesmen]

I absolutely disagree....go ahead and teach your kids it’s safe to do that in crowds. Tell them to go protest on the highway with a bunch of people.

they're not just running into the highway without warning, dude. these things rarely result in people being hit by autos

Highway police are struck on highways when pulling people over. Accidents in middle of highway are still struck by cars moving 65 mph +

I’ll never accept anyone or young kids I actually care about to protest on a freaking highway. F that.

You guys are more than welcome to encourage that.

Go ahead and call me crazy for thinking it’s crazy.

What in the world... protesting on an express way?

[dice]

I absolutely disagree....go ahead and teach your kids it’s safe to do that in crowds. Tell them to go protest on the highway with a bunch of people.

they're not just running into the highway without warning, dude. these things rarely result in people being hit by autos

Highway police are struck on highways when pulling people over. Accidents in middle of highway are still struck by cars moving 65 mph +

has nothing to do with what i said. encountering unexpected INDIVIDUALS on the highway is not remotely the same thing as seeing a mass of protesters. you see that coming. it's not a complicated concept

I’ll never accept anyone or young kids I actually care about to protest on a freaking highway. F that.

You guys are more than welcome to encourage that.

Go ahead and call me crazy for thinking it’s crazy.

nobody here is encouraging anything, nor calling you crazy. you're delusional. i'd be concerned about somebody i care about protesting on a highway too. but you know what? i'd be more concerned about them protesting in a chaotic urban environment. a highway can't be burned down or looted. and you can see a car coming a hell of a lot better than a bullet

[dice]

ultimately the rioting isn't going to change anything. It's going to radicalize the right even further and draw them even further away from the table. As someone who has a lot friends and family who are Chicago Police I can tell you the root of the problem is from a lack of proper training and screening for potential officers and the FOP's undying support of convicted officers that commit police brutality.

If I had to guess the % of rioters/protesters that even know what the FOP is I would wager its somewhere between 1-5%.

Its funny, I've been called every name in the book by both sides of my social circle all my liberal/democrat friends and family call me an authoritarian boot licker for expressing my disgust for the rioting and looting. Conversely I'm being called a socialist radical for expressing my dismay of police brutality to conservative/police supporters.

I feel like when both sides of the aisle hate what you say your striking a good balance thats probably close to the truth.

seeking the truth is often a lonely road to traverse

[SHO'NUFF]

they're not just running into the highway without warning, dude. these things rarely result in people being hit by autos

Highway police are struck on highways when pulling people over. Accidents in middle of highway are still struck by cars moving 65 mph +

has nothing to do with what i said. encountering unexpected INDIVIDUALS on the highway is not remotely the same thing as seeing a mass of protesters. you see that coming. it's not a complicated concept

I’ll never accept anyone or young kids I actually care about to protest on a freaking highway. F that.

You guys are more than welcome to encourage that.

Go ahead and call me crazy for thinking it’s crazy.

nobody here is encouraging anything, nor calling you crazy. you're delusional. i'd be concerned about somebody i care about protesting on a highway too. but you know what? i'd be more concerned about them protesting in a chaotic urban environment. a highway can't be burned down or looted. and you can see a car coming a hell of a lot better than a bullet

Don’t call me delusional when that’s clearly you.

Protesting on a highway man please. Do you.

[AshyLarrysDiaper]

Sho'Nuff, I apologize, in attempting to quote your post about Iraq War posts, it looks like I deleted it. My b.

[SHO'NUFF]

Sho'Nuff, I apologize, in attempting to quote your post about Iraq War posts, it looks like I deleted it. My b.

No worries man.

Nothing wrong with agreeing to disagree on other subjects. Too much news watching is adding to my hype anyway. Getting me extra riled up.

All good.

[logical_art]

Nobody has yet to satisfactorily explain why when a white person kills a black person its nearly infinitely times worse in the eyes of black people and the median compared to when a black person kills a black person. More than 10x the number of black people were killed by other black people. Very few people care or know the victims names. Who can name the people killed last weekend in Chicago?

If you are concerned about black lives, the statistics starting point is black on black murders. These are facts.

So why is it that people only care about black lives when its a white killer, even though the problem of white on black crime is far far less significant than black on black crime?

“Black on black on crime” is a meaningless trope. People of every race kill each other more often than they’re killed by other races. That’s how segregation works.

And Black people fight the underlying conditions that lead to non-police murders CONSTANTLY. Poverty being the biggest one. But police murders are particularly egregious because cops are a) supposed to protect and serve, b) so rarely charged let alone prosecuted, and c) far too often racist. The FBI warned of police departments being infiltrated by white supremacists years ago; it’s a phenomenon as old as American policing itself.

http://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/402521/doc-26-white-supremacist-infiltration.pdf

I get that its worse when the people supposed to protect kill, especially when **** police departments aren't improved despite warnings. But is it that much worse where nobody knows the thousands of black folks killed every year except for the handful of cases where it's by a white cop?

Do black lives matter more when they're ended by a white cop? That's what the revealed preferences of the outrage suggest. If you die at the ends of a cop, you're a martyr and worth taking the streets for. If not, meh just a statistic forgotten tomorrow. And let not get into the lives of non-blacks murdered by police, or blacks killed by black cops. They receive nowhere near the attention of of the few blacks killed by white cops.

Because people are not rational in how much they care about black lives (they care about those killed by white cops a lot more), it suggests that these incidents are not actually strategic but rather trigger points (pun not intended) to vent frustration. Frustration for racism experienced. Frustration that still black folks are in the lowest socio-economic strata in the country. I get that, but lets be honest about it rather that cloaking in the language of black lives matter. They matter when white cop ended them. To me that's kind of sad.

[dice]

Highway police are struck on highways when pulling people over. Accidents in middle of highway are still struck by cars moving 65 mph +

has nothing to do with what i said. encountering unexpected INDIVIDUALS on the highway is not remotely the same thing as seeing a mass of protesters. you see that coming. it's not a complicated concept

I’ll never accept anyone or young kids I actually care about to protest on a freaking highway. F that.

You guys are more than welcome to encourage that.

Go ahead and call me crazy for thinking it’s crazy.

nobody here is encouraging anything, nor calling you crazy. you're delusional. i'd be concerned about somebody i care about protesting on a highway too. but you know what? i'd be more concerned about them protesting in a chaotic urban environment. a highway can't be burned down or looted. and you can see a car coming a hell of a lot better than a bullet

Don’t call me delusional when that’s clearly you.

Protesting on a highway man please. Do you.

do i what?

what do you call it when someone suggests that others are encouraging something that they didn't encourage? simple mistake or delusion?

what do you call it when someone thinks someone else called them crazy when it never happened? simple mistake or delusion?

because you did both of those things