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Re: OT: Cops kill George Floyd 

Post#381 » by Fat Kat » Mon Jun 1, 2020 2:20 am

HarthorneWingo wrote:I've been busy all day. Did NYPD actually ram their police vehicle into protesters today?


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Re: OT: Cops kill George Floyd 

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Yknow - there are people on my FB feed (who I probably should delete from it) who are posting about the language of the unheard and inclusivity and chanting Black Lives Matter while condoning the looting/violence... and it's like there are black people right there saying **** don't do this, it's not what we want. It pisses me off so much that I almost hope it's white supremacists masking as leftist black bloc. They're putting the black Floyd protesters in danger they didn't ask for.

Like - I expect the brutal police responses and the white supremacist trolls to be what they are but somehow this still surprises me and it shouldn't either.
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Re: OT: Cops kill George Floyd 

Post#383 » by HarthorneWingo » Mon Jun 1, 2020 3:20 am

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HarthorneWingo wrote:I've been busy all day. Did NYPD actually ram their police vehicle into protesters today?


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This is something I've seen coming for a long time though I never could imagine the exact circumstance and context that would cause it. I really thought it would be an uprising from the economic disparity between the top 1% and the rest of us. This appears to have been the perfect storm. White "liberal" America has ignored the problems of racism and criminal justice reform - particularly meaningful police accountability reform. In fact, by their failure to take the issue(s) seriously and passionately, they have failed minority communities across the country and have, in the own way, contributed to what we have today.

Again, why has the black community groveled for the little crumbs they give you? Yes, it has enabled a small number to "join the club," like James Clyburn. But then he sells you out for probably a cabinet position in the Biden Administration and what's looking like an unfulfilled promise to nominate a black female VP. That's how it's always been done. Clyburn got cozy too. Started telling people how to think and how to vote, i.e. to vote the way he wants you to vote. But he's not telling anybody what's in it for him and now it looks like Biden will not select an AA VP nor has he come out with any strong language or platform for criminal justice/police reform. No one is stepping up.

Throw three years of Trump and Republican gasoline on this power keg, along with the COVID crisis and the economic downturn, and this is what you get. People have been predicting the demise of the American Empire for awhile now. Its time has arrived.
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Re: OT: Cops kill George Floyd 

Post#384 » by robillionaire » Mon Jun 1, 2020 3:39 am

HarthorneWingo wrote:
Fat Kat wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:I've been busy all day. Did NYPD actually ram their police vehicle into protesters today?


Yep

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This is something I've seen coming for a long time though I never could imagine the exact circumstance and context that would cause it. I really thought it would be an uprising from the economic disparity between the top 1% and the rest of us. This appears to have been the perfect storm. White "liberal" America has ignored the problems of racism and criminal justice reform - particularly meaningful police accountability reform. In fact, by their failure to take the issue(s) seriously and passionately, they have failed minority communities across the country and have, in the own way, contributed to what we have today.

Again, why has the black community groveled for the little crumbs they give you? Yes, it has enabled a small number to "join the club," like James Clyburn. But then he sells you out for probably a cabinet position in the Biden Administration and what's looking like an unfulfilled promise to nominate a black female VP. That's how it's always been done. Clyburn got cozy too. Started telling people how to think and how to vote, i.e. to vote the way he wants you to vote. But he's not telling anybody what's in it for him and now it looks like Biden will not select an AA VP nor has he come out with any strong language or platform for criminal justice/police reform. No one is stepping up.

Throw three years of Trump and Republican gasoline on this power keg, along with the COVID crisis and the economic downturn, and this is what you get. People have been predicting the demise of the American Empire for awhile now. Its time has arrived.


cornel west said a lot about these topics and i think it was a good analysis

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Re: OT: Cops kill George Floyd 

Post#385 » by frothbrain » Mon Jun 1, 2020 4:09 am

These riots won't end anytime soon because this is not about George Floyd or police brutality.
This is about millions of unemployed and out of school young people with no opportunities for the foreseeable future. Martial law is the only solution.
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Re: OT: Cops kill George Floyd 

Post#386 » by RHODEY » Mon Jun 1, 2020 4:59 am

robillionaire wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:
Fat Kat wrote:
Yep

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This is something I've seen coming for a long time though I never could imagine the exact circumstance and context that would cause it. I really thought it would be an uprising from the economic disparity between the top 1% and the rest of us. This appears to have been the perfect storm. White "liberal" America has ignored the problems of racism and criminal justice reform - particularly meaningful police accountability reform. In fact, by their failure to take the issue(s) seriously and passionately, they have failed minority communities across the country and have, in the own way, contributed to what we have today.

Again, why has the black community groveled for the little crumbs they give you? Yes, it has enabled a small number to "join the club," like James Clyburn. But then he sells you out for probably a cabinet position in the Biden Administration and what's looking like an unfulfilled promise to nominate a black female VP. That's how it's always been done. Clyburn got cozy too. Started telling people how to think and how to vote, i.e. to vote the way he wants you to vote. But he's not telling anybody what's in it for him and now it looks like Biden will not select an AA VP nor has he come out with any strong language or platform for criminal justice/police reform. No one is stepping up.

Throw three years of Trump and Republican gasoline on this power keg, along with the COVID crisis and the economic downturn, and this is what you get. People have been predicting the demise of the American Empire for awhile now. Its time has arrived.


cornel west said a lot about these topics and i think it was a good analysis



Not a fan him or any of these hand picked stooges the corporate owned media put on to speak for/influence black people.
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Re: OT: Cops kill George Floyd 

Post#387 » by robillionaire » Mon Jun 1, 2020 5:01 am

RHODEY wrote:
robillionaire wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:
This is something I've seen coming for a long time though I never could imagine the exact circumstance and context that would cause it. I really thought it would be an uprising from the economic disparity between the top 1% and the rest of us. This appears to have been the perfect storm. White "liberal" America has ignored the problems of racism and criminal justice reform - particularly meaningful police accountability reform. In fact, by their failure to take the issue(s) seriously and passionately, they have failed minority communities across the country and have, in the own way, contributed to what we have today.

Again, why has the black community groveled for the little crumbs they give you? Yes, it has enabled a small number to "join the club," like James Clyburn. But then he sells you out for probably a cabinet position in the Biden Administration and what's looking like an unfulfilled promise to nominate a black female VP. That's how it's always been done. Clyburn got cozy too. Started telling people how to think and how to vote, i.e. to vote the way he wants you to vote. But he's not telling anybody what's in it for him and now it looks like Biden will not select an AA VP nor has he come out with any strong language or platform for criminal justice/police reform. No one is stepping up.

Throw three years of Trump and Republican gasoline on this power keg, along with the COVID crisis and the economic downturn, and this is what you get. People have been predicting the demise of the American Empire for awhile now. Its time has arrived.


cornel west said a lot about these topics and i think it was a good analysis



Not a fan him or any of these hand picked stooges the corporate owned media put on to speak for/influence black people.


completely understandable
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Re: OT: Cops kill George Floyd 

Post#388 » by RHODEY » Mon Jun 1, 2020 5:13 am

robillionaire wrote:
RHODEY wrote:
robillionaire wrote:
cornel west said a lot about these topics and i think it was a good analysis



Not a fan him or any of these hand picked stooges the corporate owned media put on to speak for/influence black people.


completely understandable



With the advent of camera phone and the internet their ability to censor truth has steadily been slipping away. I chuckle as they still desperately try to control the narrative, display fake concern for civil rights, and fake objectivity.

They prop up these "safe" Baby boomer arm chair intellectuals, or these fake black celebrities that depend on the establishment for their paycheck ..

Meanwhile blacks and the general American public are no longer buying the BS....
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Re: OT: Cops kill George Floyd 

Post#389 » by HarthorneWingo » Mon Jun 1, 2020 5:37 am

They think they caught a cop in Minnesota causing property damage to escalate the violence

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Re: OT: Cops kill George Floyd 

Post#390 » by HarthorneWingo » Mon Jun 1, 2020 5:44 am

RHODEY wrote:
robillionaire wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:
This is something I've seen coming for a long time though I never could imagine the exact circumstance and context that would cause it. I really thought it would be an uprising from the economic disparity between the top 1% and the rest of us. This appears to have been the perfect storm. White "liberal" America has ignored the problems of racism and criminal justice reform - particularly meaningful police accountability reform. In fact, by their failure to take the issue(s) seriously and passionately, they have failed minority communities across the country and have, in the own way, contributed to what we have today.

Again, why has the black community groveled for the little crumbs they give you? Yes, it has enabled a small number to "join the club," like James Clyburn. But then he sells you out for probably a cabinet position in the Biden Administration and what's looking like an unfulfilled promise to nominate a black female VP. That's how it's always been done. Clyburn got cozy too. Started telling people how to think and how to vote, i.e. to vote the way he wants you to vote. But he's not telling anybody what's in it for him and now it looks like Biden will not select an AA VP nor has he come out with any strong language or platform for criminal justice/police reform. No one is stepping up.

Throw three years of Trump and Republican gasoline on this power keg, along with the COVID crisis and the economic downturn, and this is what you get. People have been predicting the demise of the American Empire for awhile now. Its time has arrived.


cornel west said a lot about these topics and i think it was a good analysis



Not a fan him or any of these hand picked stooges the corporate owned media put on to speak for/influence black people.


I've always considered Dr. West to be an extraordinary man of great wisdom and compassion who also keeps it real. I think he's lead an exemplary life while always fighting hard for civil rights.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cornel_West
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Re: OT: Cops kill George Floyd 

Post#391 » by RHODEY » Mon Jun 1, 2020 6:18 am

HarthorneWingo wrote:
RHODEY wrote:
robillionaire wrote:
cornel west said a lot about these topics and i think it was a good analysis



Not a fan him or any of these hand picked stooges the corporate owned media put on to speak for/influence black people.


I've always considered Dr. West to be an extraordinary man of great wisdom and compassion who also keeps it real. I think he's lead an exemplary life while always fighting hard for civil rights.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cornel_West


He's the safe black guy the media carts out to intellectually masturbate the viewers all the while not challenging a damn thing. They learned their lesson after getting embarrassed too many times by people like this:



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Re: OT: Cops kill George Floyd 

Post#392 » by movingon » Mon Jun 1, 2020 6:24 am

frothbrain wrote:These riots won't end anytime soon because this is not about George Floyd or police brutality.
This is about millions of unemployed and out of school young people with no opportunities for the foreseeable future. Martial law is the only solution.


Regime change is the only solution.
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Re: OT: Cops kill George Floyd 

Post#393 » by HarthorneWingo » Mon Jun 1, 2020 6:40 am

RHODEY wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:
RHODEY wrote:
Not a fan him or any of these hand picked stooges the corporate owned media put on to speak for/influence black people.


I've always considered Dr. West to be an extraordinary man of great wisdom and compassion who also keeps it real. I think he's lead an exemplary life while always fighting hard for civil rights.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cornel_West


He's the safe black guy the media carts out to intellectually masturbate the viewers all the while not challenging a damn thing. They learned their lesson after getting embarrassed too many times by people like this:





I hear you. Is there a black leader in your opinion that is capable of leading this cause or one that you think should lead going forward. Everybody's in power right now is shook and is just trying to figure out a way to calm things but it's still all too raw and combustible. Or do you think that let the anarchy play out and build it up from after the dust settles? Mad Max shyt.

Even before Mr. Floyd's death and this virus, the system was breaking down. Now, there seems to be no other way forward other than to admit that the prior systems failed and that we need to rebuild in a new way going forward.
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Re: OT: Cops kill George Floyd 

Post#394 » by RHODEY » Mon Jun 1, 2020 7:31 am

HarthorneWingo wrote:
RHODEY wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:
I've always considered Dr. West to be an extraordinary man of great wisdom and compassion who also keeps it real. I think he's lead an exemplary life while always fighting hard for civil rights.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cornel_West


He's the safe black guy the media carts out to intellectually masturbate the viewers all the while not challenging a damn thing. They learned their lesson after getting embarrassed too many times by people like this:





I hear you. Is there a black leader in your opinion that is capable of leading this cause or one that you think should lead going forward. Everybody's in power right now is shook and is just trying to figure out a way to calm things but it's still all too raw and combustible. Or do you think that let the anarchy play out and build it up from after the dust settles? Mad Max shyt.

Even before Mr. Floyd's death and this virus, the system was breaking down. Now, there seems to be no other way forward other than to admit that the prior systems failed and that we need to rebuild in a new way going forward.


No. Not because they don't exist but because it's a flawed model. Take down the leader and you take down the cause. Also, public movements can be infiltrated and taken down from within. I think a leader less movement works best or rather one where everyone is their own leader acting in concert for their "cause", ie Justice , civil rights, reparations etc.

As far as moving forward, I agree with Glendon Cameron, we are going to be in for a very tough 3-5 years. I wouldn't wait for the "leaders' to admit to conning the public. Americans are just going to have to come to the conclusion themselves and adapt. No more living in credit , no more expecting big daddy government to take care of us. We'll need to re-learn how to PRODUCE.

But looking at the big picture, I think we need to be concerned with China as well. Whether you believe they intentionally set all this stuff into motion (by allowing known infected citizens out of their country) , they are poised to dominate us if we don't get our **** together soon.

And based on how they have historically dealt with their own protestors, and their own black residents, I think they would make what's going on here look like a picnic - if they were running things.
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Re: OT: Cops kill George Floyd 

Post#395 » by HarthorneWingo » Mon Jun 1, 2020 7:55 am

RHODEY wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:
RHODEY wrote:
He's the safe black guy the media carts out to intellectually masturbate the viewers all the while not challenging a damn thing. They learned their lesson after getting embarrassed too many times by people like this:





I hear you. Is there a black leader in your opinion that is capable of leading this cause or one that you think should lead going forward. Everybody's in power right now is shook and is just trying to figure out a way to calm things but it's still all too raw and combustible. Or do you think that let the anarchy play out and build it up from after the dust settles? Mad Max shyt.

Even before Mr. Floyd's death and this virus, the system was breaking down. Now, there seems to be no other way forward other than to admit that the prior systems failed and that we need to rebuild in a new way going forward.


No. Not because they don't exist but because it's a flawed model. Take down the leader and you take down the cause. Also, public movements can be infiltrated and taken down from within. I think a leader less movement works best or rather one where everyone is their own leader acting in concert for their "cause", ie Justice , civil rights, reparations etc.

As far as moving forward, I agree with Glendon Cameron, we are going to be in for a very tough 3-5 years. I wouldn't wait for the "leaders' to admit to conning the public. Americans are just going to have to come to the conclusion themselves and adapt. No more living in credit , no more expecting big daddy government to take care of us. We'll need to re-learn how to PRODUCE.

But looking at the big picture, I think we need to be concerned with China as well. Whether you believe they intentionally set all this stuff into motion (by allowing known infected citizens out of their country) , they are poised to dominate us if we don't get our **** together soon.

And based on how they have historically dealt with their own protestors, and their own black residents, I think they would make what's going on here look like a picnic - if they were running things.



But I'm talking specifically about cops abusing their powers to commit crimes against citizens, particularly black citizens, who do no pose a threat to them. We have to enact laws which establish Special Prosecutors Offices specifically designed to investigate and charge/prosecute - with transparency - crimes committed by law enforcement. I also believe, as I've previously stated, that police unions are out of control and have to be better balanced with the goals of law enforcement.
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Re: OT: Cops kill George Floyd 

Post#396 » by Thepaintismine » Mon Jun 1, 2020 10:03 am

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Stannis wrote:Antifa is a joke. It's like they just show up to tear **** up. This isn't a movement whatsoever.


Glad they soon B labelled a terrorist organization. :o
Watch these riots stop quick like.

Antifa isn't an organization. It just means anti fascists and of course they stand for nothing they're just a bunch of individual anarchists against fascism.


B certain of one thing - Antifa has been watched and infiltrated since at least Back to 2016 ya'll. We gots their top level people.
But I got you, they are loosely organized, a bit like other terrorist groups. But the organizers will do down, give et sum time.

They say they are against facism but right now you gots white Antifa infiltrating peaceful protests and burnin shizz down.
That B WRONG! :banghead:
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Re: OT: Cops kill George Floyd 

Post#398 » by Thepaintismine » Mon Jun 1, 2020 10:11 am

frothbrain wrote:These riots won't end anytime soon because this is not about George Floyd or police brutality.
This is about millions of unemployed and out of school young people with no opportunities for the foreseeable future. Martial law is the only solution.


Things were looking SO GOOD with black and minority unemployment B4 the Rona came.
Now, to add to Rona, we gotz Antifa thugs infiltratin peaceful protests.
Lot o black folk speakin out on that though, so I hope it calm down soon ya'll. (Great videos B on Twitter there.)
Wizer heads will (eventually) win I think.
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Re: OT: Cops kill George Floyd 

Post#399 » by Fat Kat » Mon Jun 1, 2020 10:25 am

HarthorneWingo wrote:
RHODEY wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:
I hear you. Is there a black leader in your opinion that is capable of leading this cause or one that you think should lead going forward. Everybody's in power right now is shook and is just trying to figure out a way to calm things but it's still all too raw and combustible. Or do you think that let the anarchy play out and build it up from after the dust settles? Mad Max shyt.

Even before Mr. Floyd's death and this virus, the system was breaking down. Now, there seems to be no other way forward other than to admit that the prior systems failed and that we need to rebuild in a new way going forward.


No. Not because they don't exist but because it's a flawed model. Take down the leader and you take down the cause. Also, public movements can be infiltrated and taken down from within. I think a leader less movement works best or rather one where everyone is their own leader acting in concert for their "cause", ie Justice , civil rights, reparations etc.

As far as moving forward, I agree with Glendon Cameron, we are going to be in for a very tough 3-5 years. I wouldn't wait for the "leaders' to admit to conning the public. Americans are just going to have to come to the conclusion themselves and adapt. No more living in credit , no more expecting big daddy government to take care of us. We'll need to re-learn how to PRODUCE.

But looking at the big picture, I think we need to be concerned with China as well. Whether you believe they intentionally set all this stuff into motion (by allowing known infected citizens out of their country) , they are poised to dominate us if we don't get our **** together soon.

And based on how they have historically dealt with their own protestors, and their own black residents, I think they would make what's going on here look like a picnic - if they were running things.



But I'm talking specifically about cops abusing their powers to commit crimes against citizens, particularly black citizens, who do no pose a threat to them. We have to enact laws which establish Special Prosecutors Offices specifically designed to investigate and charge/prosecute - with transparency - crimes committed by law enforcement. I also believe, as I've previously stated, that police unions are out of control and have to be better balanced with the goals of law enforcement.


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Re: OT: Cops kill George Floyd 

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