OT: Cops kill George Floyd

[Retired_Doc]

What do you mean by this? Opposite of what they are trying to convey

Whenever a cop does something like this, they say they're just a bad apple, that they're not indicative of the police as a whole

But the phrase "a few bad apples spoil the bunch" means that if there are some bad apples, that means they're all bad

Oh I see. That is true and its true for cops like I think you're eluding to if I'm hearing you right. Regardless of my opinion the fact is that the officer involved was arrested and charged and many cops around the country have chimed in against that officer and department and even in some cases joined peaceful protests.

That doesn't mean anything for the families affected and its not to say that bad apples won't continue to exist but it is a change from what we've seen in the past where police all stood united in thier defiance of scrutiny or oversight. I think that is the first step in gaining the trust of communities. People need to know that when bad apples are identified, that accountability is swift and harsh.

And yet, even though everything you said is correct, now we have the worst riots yet. (Possibly worse than the Rodney King response.) Why? The Black Community should be pleased by the reaction of the police, but they sure don't appear to be. Instead they're contributing to anarchy.

[HEZI]

Damn, this is incredibly spot on.
I can break it out into quotes if anyone has paywall issues, though generally WP lets you read 5 free a month

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/05/29/how-western-media-would-cover-minneapolis-if-it-happened-another-country/

Oof

How would Donald Trump look at Donald Trump if this America was another country? American Donald Trump would call foreign Donald Trump a dictator who has lost control of his country, put his people in danger, has put lives of other countries in danger, has given birth to terrorist organizations, doesn't care for its citizens. He might call for the UN to interfere and probably even deploy troops to overthrow the regime

Oh yeah and sanctions can't forget sanctions

Depends. I think he (and the media) would support that regime and help them squash the “terrorist” uprising as long as it was a regime in power that is friendly to US corporate interests. If it was a regime opposed to US corporate interests he would be helping the “freedom fighters” and “rebels” with the coup attempt to remove the “dictator” of the “rogue state” and install one friendly to US corporate interests. And yes of course sanctions.

So true, sadly

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This is clearly the problem that needs addressing at this time

I wonder if he said that in the past some time, no way he would raise it as an issue right now with everything going on.

[GONYK]

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This is clearly the problem that needs addressing at this time

I wonder if he said that in the past some time, no way he would raise it as an issue right now with everything going on.

He said that in a call this morning

[DOT]

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This is clearly the problem that needs addressing at this time

I wonder if he said that in the past some time, no way he would raise it as an issue right now with everything going on.

He said that in a call this morning

So like, how would we then dispose of flags? Cause according to US flag code, proper means of disposing of old, worn flags is to burn them

Just throw them in a dump? Would be an apt metaphor I suppose.

[thebuzzardman]

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This is clearly the problem that needs addressing at this time

Look at Trump signaling he wants a politicized Supreme Court. Shocking.

[Kampuchea]

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This is clearly the problem that needs addressing at this time

I wonder if he said that in the past some time, no way he would raise it as an issue right now with everything going on.

He said that in a call this morning

WTF, what goes on in his head

[E-Balla]

Whenever a cop does something like this, they say they're just a bad apple, that they're not indicative of the police as a whole

But the phrase "a few bad apples spoil the bunch" means that if there are some bad apples, that means they're all bad

Oh I see. That is true and its true for cops like I think you're eluding to if I'm hearing you right. Regardless of my opinion the fact is that the officer involved was arrested and charged and many cops around the country have chimed in against that officer and department and even in some cases joined peaceful protests.

That doesn't mean anything for the families affected and its not to say that bad apples won't continue to exist but it is a change from what we've seen in the past where police all stood united in thier defiance of scrutiny or oversight. I think that is the first step in gaining the trust of communities. People need to know that when bad apples are identified, that accountability is swift and harsh.

And yet, even though everything you said is correct, now we have the worst riots yet. (Possibly worse than the Rodney King response.) Why? The Black Community should be pleased by the reaction of the police, but they sure don't appear to be. Instead they're contributing to anarchy.

I swear to god y'all gonna get me banned.

[E-Balla]

Here's a fact, George Floyd's killer is the only killer cop that's been arrested here. Breonna Taylor's murderers are still on duty and Louisville PD opened fire on people yesterday killing someone. The idea that the police stand with us is absolute nonsense being pushed by people that at the end of the day want us to shut up and die. Y'all EAD.

[HarthorneWingo]

No. Not because they don't exist but because it's a flawed model. Take down the leader and you take down the cause. Also, public movements can be infiltrated and taken down from within. I think a leader less movement works best or rather one where everyone is their own leader acting in concert for their "cause", ie Justice , civil rights, reparations etc.

As far as moving forward, I agree with Glendon Cameron, we are going to be in for a very tough 3-5 years. I wouldn't wait for the "leaders' to admit to conning the public. Americans are just going to have to come to the conclusion themselves and adapt. No more living in credit , no more expecting big daddy government to take care of us. We'll need to re-learn how to PRODUCE.

But looking at the big picture, I think we need to be concerned with China as well. Whether you believe they intentionally set all this stuff into motion (by allowing known infected citizens out of their country) , they are poised to dominate us if we don't get our **** together soon.

And based on how they have historically dealt with their own protestors, and their own black residents, I think they would make what's going on here look like a picnic - if they were running things.

But I'm talking specifically about cops abusing their powers to commit crimes against citizens, particularly black citizens, who do no pose a threat to them. We have to enact laws which establish Special Prosecutors Offices specifically designed to investigate and charge/prosecute - with transparency - crimes committed by law enforcement. I also believe, as I've previously stated, that police unions are out of control and have to be better balanced with the goals of law enforcement.

Perhaps they do pose a threat....hence the mistreatment. We need to get to the TRUTH of that perceived threat before creating laws that may only be arbitrary enforced.

The police are just tools for the people controlling things and all the focus is on the police - exactly where they want it to be.

Well, yeah. Everything is broken and it all needs to be fixed. From criminal justice reform, to universal healthcare for all, to climate change which means economic change. It's not going to be done in one fell swoop. The universe will decide for us. Look what it just did! It's kind of amazing and it was needed. Obviously.

I was proud of America this past week. It wasn't perfect but nothing ever is. That's life.

Capitalism + Racism = Fascism

[HarthorneWingo]

Here's a fact, George Floyd's killer is the only killer cop that's been arrested here. Breonna Taylor's murderers are still on duty and Louisville PD opened fire on people yesterday killing someone. The idea that the police stand with us is absolute nonsense being pushed by people that at the end of the day want us to shut up and die. Y'all EAD.

I concur

[bigfnjoe96]

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I never understood why they're so adamant on using the "bad apples" phrase

Cause the whole phrase is "a few bad apples spoil the bunch," which is directly opposite of the message they're trying to convey

Actually, it's ONE bad apple spoils the bunch. But you're right, they seem to be implying that the problem is a few rogue officers and not systemic.

Maybe they're fans of the Osmond Brothers, who sang "One bad apple DON'T spoil the whole bunch."

Watch on YouTube

I love that song.

The problem is that if you rat on your partner on another officer in your squad/precinct, you never get any back up when you need it. It's "The Code"

[GONYK]

Floyd's death is ruled a homicide by asphyxia by independent examiners.

That should made this legal case much easier to prosecute.

Now pick up the other 3 officers.

[ibraheim718]

Here's a fact, George Floyd's killer is the only killer cop that's been arrested here. Breonna Taylor's murderers are still on duty and Louisville PD opened fire on people yesterday killing someone. The idea that the police stand with us is absolute nonsense being pushed by people that at the end of the day want us to shut up and die. Y'all EAD.

The police stand with themselves and their union.

[ibraheim718]

Oh I see. That is true and its true for cops like I think you're eluding to if I'm hearing you right. Regardless of my opinion the fact is that the officer involved was arrested and charged and many cops around the country have chimed in against that officer and department and even in some cases joined peaceful protests.

That doesn't mean anything for the families affected and its not to say that bad apples won't continue to exist but it is a change from what we've seen in the past where police all stood united in thier defiance of scrutiny or oversight. I think that is the first step in gaining the trust of communities. People need to know that when bad apples are identified, that accountability is swift and harsh.

And yet, even though everything you said is correct, now we have the worst riots yet. (Possibly worse than the Rodney King response.) Why? The Black Community should be pleased by the reaction of the police, but they sure don't appear to be. Instead they're contributing to anarchy.

I swear to god y'all gonna get me banned.

You're not going to get banned on here.. we've been on here for years discussing the crazy sh**t that goes on in the world.

As long as Wingo doesn't start too much s**t you'll be fine.

[Pointgod]

Here's a fact, George Floyd's killer is the only killer cop that's been arrested here. Breonna Taylor's murderers are still on duty and Louisville PD opened fire on people yesterday killing someone. The idea that the police stand with us is absolute nonsense being pushed by people that at the end of the day want us to shut up and die. Y'all EAD.

The police stand with themselves and their union.

Not when it’s a black cop. Look up the case of Justine Diamond in the same city in Minnesota.

[Pointgod]

I never understood why they're so adamant on using the "bad apples" phrase

Cause the whole phrase is "a few bad apples spoil the bunch," which is directly opposite of the message they're trying to convey

Actually, it's ONE bad apple spoils the bunch. But you're right, they seem to be implying that the problem is a few rogue officers and not systemic.

Maybe they're fans of the Osmond Brothers, who sang "One bad apple DON'T spoil the whole bunch."

Watch on YouTube

I love that song.

The problem is that if you rat on your partner on another officer in your squad/precinct, you never get any back up when you need it. It's "The Code"

So they’re literally like gang members and they’re proud of it.

[ibraheim718]

Floyd's death is ruled a homicide by asphyxia.

That should made this legal case much easier to prosecute.

Now pick up the other 3 officers.

They're already slacking... the other 3 officers should've been arrested yesterday.

But I want to know how or will the general public figure out a way to get to the police unions? That's the issue. Plain and simple.

I was exposed to who police were before I even turned 10 years old.. when I lived in Sunset Park a neighbor was driving a motorcycle and was being chased down the block by cops.. it was summer.. When the cops finally caught him a white irish/italian 20 something year old.. they beat the sh*T out of him in front of his house and when his mom came out to stop them they slapped her up.. my dad grabbed his revolver and was going to go over to do something until my mom physically stopped him. The family ended up suing and settling. But as a kid I learned you just don't **** with cops because they can and make no mistake they will get away with anything.

So what's the solution? Seems an impossible one.

[ibraheim718]

Here's a fact, George Floyd's killer is the only killer cop that's been arrested here. Breonna Taylor's murderers are still on duty and Louisville PD opened fire on people yesterday killing someone. The idea that the police stand with us is absolute nonsense being pushed by people that at the end of the day want us to shut up and die. Y'all EAD.

The police stand with themselves and their union.

Not when it’s a black cop. Look up the case of Justine Diamond in the same city in Minnesota.

Well that touches on the broader problem.