IF YOU DONT LIKE THAT YOU DONT LIKE (UPDATE: he fired himself)

[bondom34]

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Wow that's ridiculous

[LKN]

I dont get it, whats wrong what he said?

or.

From a Reddit user’s explanation

Imagine that you're sitting down to dinner with your family, and while everyone else gets a serving of the meal, you don't get any. So you say "I should get my fair share." And as a direct response to this, your dad corrects you, saying, "everyone should get their fair share." Now, that's a wonderful sentiment -- indeed, everyone should, and that was kinda your point in the first place: that you should be a part of everyone, and you should get your fair share also. However, dad's smart-ass comment just dismissed you and didn't solve the problem that you still haven't gotten any!

The problem is that the statement "I should get my fair share" had an implicit "too" at the end: "I should get my fair share, too, just like everyone else." But your dad's response treated your statement as though you meant "only I should get my fair share", which clearly was not your intention. As a result, his statement that "everyone should get their fair share," while true, only served to ignore the problem you were trying to point out.

That's the situation of the "black lives matter" movement. Culture, laws, the arts, religion, and everyone else repeatedly suggest that all lives should matter. Clearly, that message already abounds in our society.

The problem is that, in practice, the world doesn't work the way. You see the film Nightcrawler? You know the part where Renee Russo tells Jake Gyllenhal that she doesn't want footage of a black or latino person dying, she wants news stories about affluent white people being killed? That's not made up out of whole cloth -- there is a news bias toward stories that the majority of the audience (who are white) can identify with. So when a young black man gets killed (prior to the recent police shootings), it's generally not considered "news", while a middle-aged white woman being killed is treated as news. And to a large degree, that is accurate -- young black men are killed in significantly disproportionate numbers, which is why we don't treat it as anything new. But the result is that, societally, we don't pay as much attention to certain people's deaths as we do to others. So, currently, we don't treat all lives as though they matter equally.

Just like asking dad for your fair share, the phrase "black lives matter" also has an implicit "too" at the end: it's saying that black lives should also matter. But responding to this by saying "all lives matter" is willfully going back to ignoring the problem. It's a way of dismissing the statement by falsely suggesting that it means "only black lives matter," when that is obviously not the case. And so saying "all lives matter" as a direct response to "black lives matter" is essentially saying that we should just go back to ignoring the problem.

TL;DR: The phrase "Black lives matter" carries an implicit "too" at the end; it's saying that black lives should also matter. Saying "all lives matter" is dismissing the very problems that the phrase is trying to draw attention to.

I’ll probably get flamed for this but whatever.

I have a different feeling about this and don't agree with the terms of this Analogy. This idea that people believe that their should be a "Daddy" ( I guess the government?) that is here to provide for all Americans a "fair share" to everyone is unfathomable to me. There is no "fair share" in life. Some people are born rich some born poor. Some born black, some white or Asian. Some born ugly, some born handsome. Some born tall, some short. There is no such thing a "fair share" biologically or socially.

A better example would be: Imagine you go hunting. Your friend brings a gun his dad gave him. Your cousin brings a knife he bought. A stranger brings crossbow. You don't bring anything. Well guess what?
Is it fair that they are hunting the same prey but they are starting with wepons and you have nothing? No, not exactly.

Does it mean you CAN'T hunt or figure out a way to make a weapon to eat? NO! it's up to YOU to improve your chances to eat. No one else is going to do it for you. They are worrying about themselves. They have their own prey to hunt.

What are your Options? Eat or die.

The American Way is to figure out a way to improve your lot in life. Not rely on society of the government to fix it for you. There will always be someone who was born with more than you. Your job is to the same for your kids.

Just be grateful that you are even in a "Jungle" where there is plenty of opportunity to survive.


If there is a place other than America that is better for those starting with nothing to make something of themselves, I would like to know about it.

It's funny that so many people actually believe the bolded. America actually isn't that great for economic mobility (27th in the world in this study)

https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/ranked-the-social-mobility-of-82-countries-1028885766

There's a bunch of European countries where it's easier to change your economic status. Most people's economic status in the US is largely based on that of their parents.

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[Bornstellar]

If you can't understand the dismissive undertone of saying "all lives matter" then I'm not sure it's worth explaining, you're clearly part of the problem to begin with

[NapoleonII]

I saw some numbers of the murders committed by the police divided by race and police kills a significant number of white persons more than black or Hispanic or other people of color, so I don't really get why "all lives matter" is such a big deal.

For example https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/

Those are totals, bro. You do realize that 60% of America is white? Of course they're gonna be the highest number of almost everything, deaths by police, Sprite drinkers, obese people, etc.

It's the RATE or per/1000 that you need to look at.

A black man is (and this is lowballing it, depending on what report you're looking at) is roughly 5x more likely to be killed by police. Multiple studies show this. And that 5x doesn't even go into the disparities of the whole criminal justice system - policing, sentencing, charging, etc.

And CONTEXT matters, too. How many UNARMED and UNRESISTING white people have you seen on video die by police?

[bondom34]

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Wow that's ridiculous

He's got a history of racism and used a racist slogan on Twitter. I don't think it's that ridiculous.

Edit: Actually its not at all given history (second edit: or even really knowing meaning of the phrase, but he might have been able to talk his way out of it if he didn't have an apparent decades long racist history). Should have said it that way to begin with but frankly given reactions in this thread didn't feel like arguing over it with people.

It's a racist comment. I understand some people don't know its meaning and for them it's totally understandable, I wasn't entirely sure of the meaning when I first heard it I'm sure too. But he definitely seemed to. Didn't hear his apology on air but assuming it didn't sway the organization's thoughts.

[Drou]

I dont get it, whats wrong what he said?

or.

From a Reddit user’s explanation

Imagine that you're sitting down to dinner with your family, and while everyone else gets a serving of the meal, you don't get any. So you say "I should get my fair share." And as a direct response to this, your dad corrects you, saying, "everyone should get their fair share." Now, that's a wonderful sentiment -- indeed, everyone should, and that was kinda your point in the first place: that you should be a part of everyone, and you should get your fair share also. However, dad's smart-ass comment just dismissed you and didn't solve the problem that you still haven't gotten any!

The problem is that the statement "I should get my fair share" had an implicit "too" at the end: "I should get my fair share, too, just like everyone else." But your dad's response treated your statement as though you meant "only I should get my fair share", which clearly was not your intention. As a result, his statement that "everyone should get their fair share," while true, only served to ignore the problem you were trying to point out.

That's the situation of the "black lives matter" movement. Culture, laws, the arts, religion, and everyone else repeatedly suggest that all lives should matter. Clearly, that message already abounds in our society.

The problem is that, in practice, the world doesn't work the way. You see the film Nightcrawler? You know the part where Renee Russo tells Jake Gyllenhal that she doesn't want footage of a black or latino person dying, she wants news stories about affluent white people being killed? That's not made up out of whole cloth -- there is a news bias toward stories that the majority of the audience (who are white) can identify with. So when a young black man gets killed (prior to the recent police shootings), it's generally not considered "news", while a middle-aged white woman being killed is treated as news. And to a large degree, that is accurate -- young black men are killed in significantly disproportionate numbers, which is why we don't treat it as anything new. But the result is that, societally, we don't pay as much attention to certain people's deaths as we do to others. So, currently, we don't treat all lives as though they matter equally.

Just like asking dad for your fair share, the phrase "black lives matter" also has an implicit "too" at the end: it's saying that black lives should also matter. But responding to this by saying "all lives matter" is willfully going back to ignoring the problem. It's a way of dismissing the statement by falsely suggesting that it means "only black lives matter," when that is obviously not the case. And so saying "all lives matter" as a direct response to "black lives matter" is essentially saying that we should just go back to ignoring the problem.

TL;DR: The phrase "Black lives matter" carries an implicit "too" at the end; it's saying that black lives should also matter. Saying "all lives matter" is dismissing the very problems that the phrase is trying to draw attention to.

I’ll probably get flamed for this but whatever.

I have a different feeling about this and don't agree with the terms of this Analogy. This idea that people believe that their should be a "Daddy" ( I guess the government?) that is here to provide for all Americans a "fair share" to everyone is unfathomable to me. There is no "fair share" in life. Some people are born rich some born poor. Some born black, some white or Asian. Some born ugly, some born handsome. Some born tall, some short. There is no such thing a "fair share" biologically or socially.

A better example would be: Imagine you go hunting. Your friend brings a gun his dad gave him. Your cousin brings a knife he bought. A stranger brings crossbow. You don't bring anything. Well guess what?
Is it fair that they are hunting the same prey but they are starting with wepons and you have nothing? No, not exactly.

Does it mean you CAN'T hunt or figure out a way to make a weapon to eat? NO! it's up to YOU to improve your chances to eat. No one else is going to do it for you. They are worrying about themselves. They have their own prey to hunt.

What are your Options? Eat or die.

The American Way is to figure out a way to improve your lot in life. Not rely on society of the government to fix it for you. There will always be someone who was born with more than you. Your job is to the same for your kids.

Just be grateful that you are even in a "Jungle" where there is plenty of opportunity to survive.


If there is a place other than America that is better for those starting with nothing to make something of themselves, I would like to know about it.

I feel I got dumber just by reading your post. And yeah, there are lots of places better than America around the world.

[Ice Trae]

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Wow that's ridiculous

He's a closeted racist. Well deserved.

[HotelVitale]

It's also as simple as the fact that the average white family has literally 10 times the amount of wealth that the average black family does. That's a deep systemic problem, and every poor black person feels it and knows it at some point. If the response is always 'yeah but the system is technically equal these days so everyone matters the same' then you're either tone deaf or a a-hole.

[Dnt hate]

If you can't understand the dismissive undertone of saying "all lives matter" then I'm not sure it's worth explaining, you're clearly part of the problem to begin with

All lives matter, if you dont agree with that then you clearly are part of the problem and a racist

[NapoleonII]

Didn't realize there's so many 'don't tread on me' libertarians on this site lol

It's KKK-lite but for guys who want to debate God and smoke weed and work from home.

And y'all watch the NBA?

lolol

[HotelVitale]

The American Way is to figure out a way to improve your lot in life. Not rely on society of the government to fix it for you.

Real talk: if you actually believe this is true than you must be all for returning the wealth that was built on various programs, policies, and systems that the american government either set up or defended that directly favored one group over another, and that often extracted profit for one group by direct coercion and violence of another. No conspiracy theories, no deep long books you have to read to know about those, that's the most basic knowledge that you can have about US history.

[Sedale Threatt]

Didn't realize there's so many 'don't tread on me' libertarians on this site lol

It's KKK-lite but for guys who want to debate God and smoke weed and work from home.

And y'all watch the NBA?

lolol

Hey, as long as they're rapping and dunking, it's cool. Anything much more than that and it's shut up and dribble.

[Sedale Threatt]

I'm going to guess that there's a pretty substantial overlap among those who don't get this very basic concept and those who complain that there's no White History Month or wonder why they can't say the n-word because their favorite rapper does too.

[bondom34]

I dont get it, whats wrong what he said?

or.

From a Reddit user’s explanation

Imagine that you're sitting down to dinner with your family, and while everyone else gets a serving of the meal, you don't get any. So you say "I should get my fair share." And as a direct response to this, your dad corrects you, saying, "everyone should get their fair share." Now, that's a wonderful sentiment -- indeed, everyone should, and that was kinda your point in the first place: that you should be a part of everyone, and you should get your fair share also. However, dad's smart-ass comment just dismissed you and didn't solve the problem that you still haven't gotten any!

The problem is that the statement "I should get my fair share" had an implicit "too" at the end: "I should get my fair share, too, just like everyone else." But your dad's response treated your statement as though you meant "only I should get my fair share", which clearly was not your intention. As a result, his statement that "everyone should get their fair share," while true, only served to ignore the problem you were trying to point out.

That's the situation of the "black lives matter" movement. Culture, laws, the arts, religion, and everyone else repeatedly suggest that all lives should matter. Clearly, that message already abounds in our society.

The problem is that, in practice, the world doesn't work the way. You see the film Nightcrawler? You know the part where Renee Russo tells Jake Gyllenhal that she doesn't want footage of a black or latino person dying, she wants news stories about affluent white people being killed? That's not made up out of whole cloth -- there is a news bias toward stories that the majority of the audience (who are white) can identify with. So when a young black man gets killed (prior to the recent police shootings), it's generally not considered "news", while a middle-aged white woman being killed is treated as news. And to a large degree, that is accurate -- young black men are killed in significantly disproportionate numbers, which is why we don't treat it as anything new. But the result is that, societally, we don't pay as much attention to certain people's deaths as we do to others. So, currently, we don't treat all lives as though they matter equally.

Just like asking dad for your fair share, the phrase "black lives matter" also has an implicit "too" at the end: it's saying that black lives should also matter. But responding to this by saying "all lives matter" is willfully going back to ignoring the problem. It's a way of dismissing the statement by falsely suggesting that it means "only black lives matter," when that is obviously not the case. And so saying "all lives matter" as a direct response to "black lives matter" is essentially saying that we should just go back to ignoring the problem.

TL;DR: The phrase "Black lives matter" carries an implicit "too" at the end; it's saying that black lives should also matter. Saying "all lives matter" is dismissing the very problems that the phrase is trying to draw attention to.

I’ll probably get flamed for this but whatever.

I have a different feeling about this and don't agree with the terms of this Analogy. This idea that people believe that their should be a "Daddy" ( I guess the government?) that is here to provide for all Americans a "fair share" to everyone is unfathomable to me. There is no "fair share" in life. Some people are born rich some born poor. Some born black, some white or Asian. Some born ugly, some born handsome. Some born tall, some short. There is no such thing a "fair share" biologically or socially.

A better example would be: Imagine you go hunting. Your friend brings a gun his dad gave him. Your cousin brings a knife he bought. A stranger brings crossbow. You don't bring anything. Well guess what?
Is it fair that they are hunting the same prey but they are starting with wepons and you have nothing? No, not exactly.

Does it mean you CAN'T hunt or figure out a way to make a weapon to eat? NO! it's up to YOU to improve your chances to eat. No one else is going to do it for you. They are worrying about themselves. They have their own prey to hunt.

What are your Options? Eat or die.

The American Way is to figure out a way to improve your lot in life. Not rely on society of the government to fix it for you. There will always be someone who was born with more than you. Your job is to the same for your kids.

Just be grateful that you are even in a "Jungle" where there is plenty of opportunity to survive.


If there is a place other than America that is better for those starting with nothing to make something of themselves, I would like to know about it.

Except in your example people are bringing things to assist their hunt.

In reality, a group people is deprived of things (and have been for hundreds of years) that the entire premise of the country was founded on. You know, life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

[leolozon]

or.

From a Reddit user’s explanation

If there is a place other than America that is better for those starting with nothing to make something of themselves, I would like to know about it.

Anywhere with universal health care.

And cheaper universities too.

I’m pretty sure the “American Dream” is just a myth perpetuated so poor people think they can make it as much as rich people. A dream is way cheaper than actual wealth redistribution that would allow a kid from a poor family to have a better access to healthcare and to a higher education.

It’s really not complicated. The more money you have, the less the extra money has an influence on your happiness. So to have a happier, healthier, less prone to crime society, you would be better off having more people in the 50k range and less billionaires.
Plus people winning 50k generally don’t take the money out of the society by using tax heavens. No one can really spend 10 billions.

But I guess some people have somehow convinced themselves that having a lot of poor people is globally better and is the only way to do it.

[Sedale Threatt]

or.

From a Reddit user’s explanation

I’ll probably get flamed for this but whatever.

I have a different feeling about this and don't agree with the terms of this Analogy. This idea that people believe that their should be a "Daddy" ( I guess the government?) that is here to provide for all Americans a "fair share" to everyone is unfathomable to me. There is no "fair share" in life. Some people are born rich some born poor. Some born black, some white or Asian. Some born ugly, some born handsome. Some born tall, some short. There is no such thing a "fair share" biologically or socially.

A better example would be: Imagine you go hunting. Your friend brings a gun his dad gave him. Your cousin brings a knife he bought. A stranger brings crossbow. You don't bring anything. Well guess what?
Is it fair that they are hunting the same prey but they are starting with wepons and you have nothing? No, not exactly.

Does it mean you CAN'T hunt or figure out a way to make a weapon to eat? NO! it's up to YOU to improve your chances to eat. No one else is going to do it for you. They are worrying about themselves. They have their own prey to hunt.

What are your Options? Eat or die.

The American Way is to figure out a way to improve your lot in life. Not rely on society of the government to fix it for you. There will always be someone who was born with more than you. Your job is to the same for your kids.

Just be grateful that you are even in a "Jungle" where there is plenty of opportunity to survive.


If there is a place other than America that is better for those starting with nothing to make something of themselves, I would like to know about it.

Except in your example people are bringing things to assist their hunt.

In reality, a group people is deprived of things (and have been for hundreds of years) that the entire premise of the country was founded on. You know, life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

Land of the Free, Home of the Brave. Not a whole lot of either in this picture...

[UcanUwill]

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Lithuania is ahead of USA, thats funny. When I was younger, I was bitter for being Lithuanian, for our poor wages and economy, but in recent years I realized how lucky I got. I am sick person, have strong depression and all that, and for being a working man I get so much healthcare benefits. I realized that if I was American, even if my wage was 4 times larger, I would probably be in serious medical depts right now, I would be Joker 2019. I cant imagine surviving there anymore, and with guns everywhere, the cancer that is second amendment, I would probably be years gone by now.

Capitalism in Lithuania definitely works, its not socialist state just because we have social healthcare and that our country actually invest into our citizens, rather than putting billions in wars for novelty of ''ruling the world'' and ''freeing'' all that oil. My grandparents were Siberia deportees, when they came back, they had nothing, and their children, my aunts still made a name for themselves when Soviet regime was destroyed. That said, I do not advocate for Socialism, but Capitalism is flawed and most people just do not want to admit it. Capitalism gives everyone a chance at life, but in practice, capitalism favors very few mental strengths in human beings, if you dont have it, good luck, you will study and work hard all your live, crawl into middle class maybe, but thats about it.

Americans who still think that their country is Utopia, the paragon of righteousness and freedom, well thats funny, all that propaganda worked. - America, the good guy in every war, and defender of freedom - written by America.

With the leader that is sitting there right now, being good for nothing, USA has lost all their right to lecture the world. Its done, you lost it.

Stay safe.

[DavidSterned]

I saw some numbers of the murders committed by the police divided by race and police kills a significant number of white persons more than black or Hispanic or other people of color, so I don't really get why "all lives matter" is such a big deal.

For example https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/

Those are totals, bro. You do realize that 60% of America is white? Of course they're gonna be the highest number of almost everything, deaths by police, Sprite drinkers, obese people, etc.

It's the RATE or per/1000 that you need to look at.

A black man is (and this is lowballing it, depending on what report you're looking at) is roughly 5x more likely to be killed by police. Multiple studies show this. And that 5x doesn't even go into the disparities of the whole criminal justice system - policing, sentencing, charging, etc.

And CONTEXT matters, too. How many UNARMED and UNRESISTING white people have you seen on video die by police?

Sorry but you also can't simplify the issue by narrowing it to looking at one variable like that and then ignoring other variables like crime rates. The rate that each racial group commits violent crime per/1000 would ostensibly correlate to your likelihood of having a violent run-in with the police. There are lots of reasons for it from a sociological perspective but as an example blacks were 8 times more likely to be arrested for murder than whites from 1980 to 2008, so 5x is not dramatically out of line with the disparity in fatal police shootings (and I acknowledge that that's just one aspect of potential police brutality and there aren't objective statistics out there regarding general non-lethal misuse of force)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_States#Homicide

And you can certainly find some recent examples of unarmed, unaggressive whites who got killed by cops. Problem is those cases don't lead to huge ratings and thus don't receive the same extensive media coverage

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Daniel_Shaver
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Jeremy_Mardis
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Kelly_Thomas

[mastermixer]

or.

From a Reddit user’s explanation

I’ll probably get flamed for this but whatever.

I have a different feeling about this and don't agree with the terms of this Analogy. This idea that people believe that their should be a "Daddy" ( I guess the government?) that is here to provide for all Americans a "fair share" to everyone is unfathomable to me. There is no "fair share" in life. Some people are born rich some born poor. Some born black, some white or Asian. Some born ugly, some born handsome. Some born tall, some short. There is no such thing a "fair share" biologically or socially.

A better example would be: Imagine you go hunting. Your friend brings a gun his dad gave him. Your cousin brings a knife he bought. A stranger brings crossbow. You don't bring anything. Well guess what?
Is it fair that they are hunting the same prey but they are starting with wepons and you have nothing? No, not exactly.

Does it mean you CAN'T hunt or figure out a way to make a weapon to eat? NO! it's up to YOU to improve your chances to eat. No one else is going to do it for you. They are worrying about themselves. They have their own prey to hunt.

What are your Options? Eat or die.

The American Way is to figure out a way to improve your lot in life. Not rely on society of the government to fix it for you. There will always be someone who was born with more than you. Your job is to the same for your kids.

Just be grateful that you are even in a "Jungle" where there is plenty of opportunity to survive.


If there is a place other than America that is better for those starting with nothing to make something of themselves, I would like to know about it.

It's funny that so many people actually believe the bolded. America actually isn't that great for economic mobility (27th in the world in this study)

https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/ranked-the-social-mobility-of-82-countries-1028885766

There's a bunch of European countries where it's easier to change your economic status. Most people's economic status in the US is largely based on that of their parents.

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I guess your right. But That’s to move from poor the median. To reach above the median, id imagine it’s Still US. It’s also interesting the top of your chart is all small euro countries that have homogeneous populations and fairly tight immigration policies