IF YOU DONT LIKE THAT YOU DONT LIKE (UPDATE: he fired himself)

[Chandan]

Thank you, captain obvious.

You know, I just want to jump in on this serious topic and say one thing: I've never said my ***** smell horrible, but believe me when I say this now: my **** really does smell horrible. I don't want to live in a world where I could lose my job because people could even misinterpret THAT.

The point is people here are saying if you put "ALM after BLM" is dismissive to the former as if its a fact when it's not. It's the exact same as people thinking BLM alone means other lives don't matter. Neither of those are true.

Sorry if it seems obvious to you but people have to be reminded of that.

Who do you think you're fooling with the playing dumb argument? You KNOW what happens when someone responds with All Lives Matter, right? Do you really think the other person is saying "you know what, you are right, I thought white lives didn't matter, thanks buddy!"

Do you really think that people saying BLM are that stupid?

When you say All lives matter then, in your head, you have one of these things in mind:
1. You want to dismiss BLM or steer the conversation into useless territory
2. You genuinely think that the person saying this doesn't think other lives matter, which in a way, really insults their intelligence

You just shown me that you have no idea what goes inside peoples head when u don't realize the most obvious reason:

3. This person just said ALM to prove a point. Cousins tweeted hiim to solicit a response for some strange reason (out of nowhere, they havn't made contact in years), naturally Napear didn't want to partake so he said a phrase which INCLUDED black lives matter. This doesn't translate into him being a racist. Borderline, you may call him petty if you discount the fact that he and Cousins probably hate each other, but not a racist or in any way out to undermine a movement.

This is why from my first post I maintained that the only **** here is Cousins. He instigated this whole thing and is using BLM to antagonize someone. It just so happened this guy is unpopular enough for everyone to bite on nothing. From then on, everyone who spoke on this either wanted to pile on, or became pawn to this stupid little game by Cousins. I refuse to contribute towards the satisfaction of douchebag with the mind of a 15 year old.

[Ugalde]

little off topic but

i know some people here are defending the riots and i gotta say it’s terrible. maybe you live in a non affected area so i’ll excuse your ignorance but i live in albany NY and our local mall got destroyed along with a ton of other businesses.

it sucks and it’s a disgrace. rioters are scum. the protests were beautiful and i loved going and supporting them but once a certain time hits some scumbags come out and decide getting a 50 inch George Floyd for the living room is more important than actually standing for George Floyd.

[bondom34]

Edit: NVM again, just removing this. It's a racist slogan, end of story.

From a person who was against Kaepernick and for Donald Sterling.

[MrPerfect1]

***Nobody would respond with "All Lives Matter" if people instead said "Black Lives Matter Too". Some people say the "Too" is implied, but that shows the danger in leaving things to be implied instead of stated.

Of course it's implied.
Did you think it was the "Black lives matter but screw everyone else though" movement?

And honestly if anyone feels the need to respond with "All lives matter" then that says a lot about the person...

You shouldn't leave things implied. How hard is it to add a 3 letter word? It Implies that people don't want to because it changes the message (see the flaw in leaving things implied?)

Many who respond "All Lives Matter" want it clear that everyone is equal, which should be the same message as "Black Lives Matter Too"

[TimRobbins]

I dont get it, whats wrong what he said?

It's a code for "Black live don't matter". The wording seems "just", but it's being used in a racist context.

Dont listen to this. He doesn't speak for everyone. I've never said All Lives Matter before, but believe me when I say this now: all lives matter. I dont want to live in a world where I could lose my job because people could even misinterpret THAT. I dont care what that Grant guy intended, those 3 words dont belong to him, nor anyone else.

Those 3 words are a code for racism. In the same that the Nazi salute is a code for racism. You need to understand the context.

[Metallikid]

They could also be uneducated. But to label someone a racist is pretty harsh without knowing the person and the things they've said and done. Thus my question.

The problem is it's pretty hard to be uneducated unless you've had your head completely in the sand for the past three days. Possible I guess? But I think there are more plausible explanations that have been presented.

It's the reason why even bringing up the idea of being naive as a counterpoint in this thread is suspect. Posters likely have enough context just by reading even a small sampling of the posts to be 'educated'. The media saturation basically makes that train of thought look a lot like searching for excuses to bad behavior...

It’s about possible deniability for these people right now, because you can’t prove they are not uneducated, but what can I say? They learn from the best, or the worst.

Plausible deniability.

[Jakay]

and here's one more thing, notice how many posts have been made in this thread to talk about All Lives Matter, which is something that no one if you asked them directly would disagree with. So much collective effort devoted to talking about something that everyone agrees upon. So what's the point of that? We could be having real dialogue, real conversation about something that matters, instead that one poster who started the "all lives matter" discussion, has successfully killed this thread. Yet another example of the conversation stalling because someone said all lives matter. That's why it's so annoying when someone says that.

I'd agree (and generally do) with this sentiment, but literally BLM/ALM was the original point of contention in this thread. It's not really rerailed, it's actually still somewhat on point.

And this isn't a bad convo to have either. It is highlighting why such benign words seem to carry such a strong dismissive message with them. Maybe it won't have a huge influence on people's thinking ultimately, but I'm sure a few people have reconsidered their stance in some way.

[LKN]

Are people seriously pretending that All Lives Matter isn't a thing that people say to try and dismiss BLM?

Come on - don't play stupid

It's just as stupid as thinking anyone who says that is intent on being dismissive.

As much as there is the implied connotation of "Black Live Matter too", I would say a large number of people, perhaps ignorant to the undertone, genuinely mean, "of course they do, because regardless of race or religion all lives matter equally", as an inclusive statement.

And if you don't get that's how some people (not broadcasters who know better) mean it when they say it, then you're as bad as the people you're calling stupid.

Sorry, but this is nonsense. The entire history of "All Lives Matter" is racist/right-wing people attempting to dismiss and belittle the "Black Lives Matter" movement. If you are an American and don't realize this you've been living under a rock.

[MrPerfect1]

Are people seriously pretending that All Lives Matter isn't a thing that people say to try and dismiss BLM?

Come on - don't play stupid

It's just as stupid as thinking anyone who says that is intent on being dismissive.

As much as there is the implied connotation of "Black Live Matter too", I would say a large number of people, perhaps ignorant to the undertone, genuinely mean, "of course they do, because regardless of race or religion all lives matter equally", as an inclusive statement.

And if you don't get that's how some people (not broadcasters who know better) mean it when they say it, then you're as bad as the people you're calling stupid.

Sorry, but this is nonsense. The entire history of "All Lives Matter" is racist/right-wing people attempting to dismiss and belittle the "Black Lives Matter" movement. If you are an American and don't realize this you've been living under a rock.

Why not just officially make it "Black Lives Matter Too". If that happened saying "All Lives Matter" would makes 0 sense since that is what is "Too" is referring to.

Many people feel it isn't implied which is why they respond that way. They are wanting to be inclusive of everyone. "All Lives Matter" is also better in that it is seen as more Universal since by definition All includes everyone. In the future if Hispsnic/ArabAsian/etc feel that they are being treated incorrectly, then they could take up an already established Slogan which would have significant value

[bondom34]

Oh and guy who used to be w/ NBC sports and the Kings:

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[MoCapone]

Are people oppressed around the world yes but sorry to burst your bubble dude, but the issue at hand right now is black lives and all the senseless killings we see time and time and time again.

“As long as your a good person then you don’t need to say black lives matter” - lol what does that even mean

and for the 1millionth time, saying black lives matter does not mean we are saying other lives don’t matter, don’t be ridiculous or stop playing dumb dude

Thats the problem. There are no time stamps on issues, someone can support the message but it doesn't mean it's the most pressing issue for them at the moment on a personal level. If we go by the logic that ALM is dismissive to BLM then not being able to say ALM after BLM implies that other lives aren't as important as black lives. To top that off other people are now racist for not prioritizing black lives?? That's rich.

Not too long ago this forum was talking about HK or Uyghurs. Do we ban saying "Uyghurs matters" after BLM because it's stealing their thunder? We are allowed to do that right? because as far as I am concerned they are still in concentration camps. Are we turning this into an issue popularity contest?

Equality is what everyone are fighting for correct? What this feels like now is a bully making themselves issue #1 otherwise you are fired from your work place.

How could BLM be dismissive of others when our lives are treated with less importance than others.
It don’t work that way man
It would only be dismissive if everyone’s lives are treated with equal value.

Equality is the very thing black ppl are fighting for

When ALM is brought up, it suggests that everyone’s life is equal..... and we both know that’s not the case e.g. E.g. the death of George Floyd, I’m sure you’d agree that a Caucasian wouldn’t have been subject to that. So where is the equality in lives there???

So when we say BLM it’s because we want the same care/respect that ppl of other races get. and when ppl say ALM as a counter then you’ve take the focus away from the very thing WE are fighting for.

Aren’t we allowed to fight for our equality? Can’t we use a phrase that highlights the people who are at the forefront of the suffering.
Isn’t that okay??

If you think this is some sort of popularity contest then you’re waaaaay off the mark and already missed the point.
And the issues of black lives is a BIG BIG issue, maybe it’s not a big issue to you but for others in America and even around the world, it’s a bloody big issue

[DavidSterned]

1) By "some folks" you mean the BLM movement that people are decrying when they pull the "All Lives Matter" maneuver. Their stance on police brutality and the impunity culture in the police is consistent. The race of the victim doesn't matter to them.

2) Don't give me that crap about the media. i don't care about what they do. The media does what the media always did. They chase after profits. They are private businesses after all and under the current economic system, the pursuit of profit is the sole goal of private businesses.

1. Again, if you believe the responses to them are equal then I don't know what to tell you. They weren't equal and that should be fairly obvious. BLM is a pretty large umbrella so I'm sure many, many folks involved cared deeply about the Daniel Shaver shooting. And many also did not. I'm not going to assume to generalize everyone involved under that umbrella (that's millions and millions of people).

2. I don't believe you for a second when you say that you don't care about the media, but okay. The media is a highly influential vessel of the system that you're literally railing against in the next sentence. If you don't think they're critical in framing people's belief structures then you're incredibly naive and myopic.

1) The response from BLM's part was pretty damn equal. They publicly called out the murder and they protested about it. If you want to dispute that fact, you need to provide some kind of evidence to the contrary. You know, just like I did when I replied to your original post.

2) The media definitely plays a critical role in shaping people's beliefs. They have always been the ones that propagate the views that a country's establishment wants to promote. The US media has played a large role in shaping the beliefs that the average American has and, yes, that includes the ingrained racism that the protests are decrying. That's why I said "don't give me the crap about the media". It's an argument that works against the point you're trying to make, not in favor of it.

1. What!? Compare the amount of media attention of that case or any other number of others to this case or to Michael Brown. Compare the levels of protest. Not even close to similar footing. I think that quite literally should speak for itself. I can't even fathom anyone disputing that. Literally just look around any city in America right now.

2. And what point is that, do you think? The media plays a significant role in influencing the public's level of discourse. That includes selectively manipulating information and perpetuating double standards that work in favor of whatever narrative they find most profitable at any given point in time. If you disagree with any of that then by all means enlighten me.

[Metallikid]

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[Chandan]

Are people oppressed around the world yes but sorry to burst your bubble dude, but the issue at hand right now is black lives and all the senseless killings we see time and time and time again.

“As long as your a good person then you don’t need to say black lives matter” - lol what does that even mean

and for the 1millionth time, saying black lives matter does not mean we are saying other lives don’t matter, don’t be ridiculous or stop playing dumb dude

Thats the problem. There are no time stamps on issues, someone can support the message but it doesn't mean it's the most pressing issue for them at the moment on a personal level. If we go by the logic that ALM is dismissive to BLM then not being able to say ALM after BLM implies that other lives aren't as important as black lives. To top that off other people are now racist for not prioritizing black lives?? That's rich.

Not too long ago this forum was talking about HK or Uyghurs. Do we ban saying "Uyghurs matters" after BLM because it's stealing their thunder? We are allowed to do that right? because as far as I am concerned they are still in concentration camps. Are we turning this into an issue popularity contest?

Equality is what everyone are fighting for correct? What this feels like now is a bully making themselves issue #1 otherwise you are fired from your work place.

How could BLM be dismissive of others when our lives are treated with less importance than others.
It don’t work that way man
It would only be dismissive if everyone’s lives are treated with equal value.

Equality is the very thing black ppl are fighting for

When ALM is brought up, it suggests that everyone’s life is equal..... and we both know that’s not the case e.g. E.g. the death of George Floyd, I’m sure you’d agree that a Caucasian wouldn’t have been subject to that. So where is the equality in lives there???

So when we say BLM it’s because we want the same care/respect that ppl of other races get. and when ppl say ALM as a counter then you’ve take the focus away from the very thing WE are fighting for.

Aren’t we allowed to fight for our equality? Can’t we use a phrase that highlights the people who are at the forefront of the suffering.
Isn’t that okay??

If you think this is some sort of popularity contest then you’re waaaaay off the mark and already missed the point.
And the issues of black lives is a BIG BIG issue, maybe it’s not a big issue to you but for others in America and even around the world, it’s a bloody big issue

I will not respond too much to your first paragraph because I completely disagree with it. But let's just say there are people who have it worse than black people in america.

I agree with you the way minorities are being mistreated in American is a big issue. But let's be real here, not allowing others to say something or forcing something down someone's throat is is never a good way to go about it.

There are many people who are on the fence, or even positive-neutral towards the movement. But when they see stuff like this happen (dude losing his job over a personal feud) it makes them feel like their identities are being marginalized, it's counter productive. The point of a social movement is to educate and unite people, not threaten them into submission.

It's great that black people are fighting and I respect that. Just read that quote by Malcom X by another poster and found it incredibly moving. One thing I took with me from that is changes need to come from within. Wanting to be heard is one thing, finding phrases that are not inherently wrong, giving it an alternative meaning and punishing those who says it isn't in the spirit of that.. That is a witch hunt. I rather see BLM be a stoic, empowering movement that leads to people respecting each other, not one that's became sort of a running joke like the N word.

[AussieCeltic]

Are people oppressed around the world yes but sorry to burst your bubble dude, but the issue at hand right now is black lives and all the senseless killings we see time and time and time again.

“As long as your a good person then you don’t need to say black lives matter” - lol what does that even mean

and for the 1millionth time, saying black lives matter does not mean we are saying other lives don’t matter, don’t be ridiculous or stop playing dumb dude

Thats the problem. There are no time stamps on issues, someone can support the message but it doesn't mean it's the most pressing issue for them at the moment on a personal level. If we go by the logic that ALM is dismissive to BLM then not being able to say ALM after BLM implies that other lives aren't as important as black lives. To top that off other people are now racist for not prioritizing black lives?? That's rich.

Not too long ago this forum was talking about HK or Uyghurs. Do we ban saying "Uyghurs matters" after BLM because it's stealing their thunder? We are allowed to do that right? because as far as I am concerned they are still in concentration camps. Are we turning this into an issue popularity contest?

Equality is what everyone are fighting for correct? What this feels like now is a bully making themselves issue #1 otherwise you are fired from your work place.

How could BLM be dismissive of others when our lives are treated with less importance than others.
It don’t work that way man
It would only be dismissive if everyone’s lives are treated with equal value.

Equality is the very thing black ppl are fighting for

When ALM is brought up, it suggests that everyone’s life is equal..... and we both know that’s not the case e.g. E.g. the death of George Floyd, I’m sure you’d agree that a Caucasian wouldn’t have been subject to that. So where is the equality in lives there???

So when we say BLM it’s because we want the same care/respect that ppl of other races get. and when ppl say ALM as a counter then you’ve take the focus away from the very thing WE are fighting for.

Aren’t we allowed to fight for our equality? Can’t we use a phrase that highlights the people who are at the forefront of the suffering.
Isn’t that okay??

If you think this is some sort of popularity contest then you’re waaaaay off the mark and already missed the point.
And the issues of black lives is a BIG BIG issue, maybe it’s not a big issue to you but for others in America and even around the world, it’s a bloody big issue

No Caucasion would be subject to that...except it happens all the time.

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[RB34]

What about Justine Ruszczyk? Did her life not matter?

[JN61]

Both Boogie and Barnes look extremely petty here. To do this kind of stuff on times like this shows what kind of a low character these guys are. Not surprised either way really... It's reason why Cousins continue to cash in those minimum checks. He lacks any sense of professionalism.

[JN61]

I mean. Can both statements not be true? All lives do matter. Black lives also matter. I get that it is unpopular right now, but it doesn't make it less true.

And I'm one of the ones pushing the blacklivesmatter hashtag on twitter.

Nothing wrong with what he said. I have no reason to not take this man at his word, but I don't know him as well as maybe some of the (former) Kings players do.

Yes it is true there is a lot of stuff people in America must talk about and not just black lives. But that is missing the point purposely. Issue now is about police brutality Vs minorities in its simplest form. My issue with comments Boogie started is it still shows what kind of unprofessional idiot he is. He is using this time to his own gains by deplatforming a guy he doesn't like who has repeatedly called out unprofessionalism of Cousins.

[CptCanada]

People just need to stop breaking ****. It broke my heart when I saw a video of a black girl pleading for a white and asian girl to stop vandalizing a building with BLM and other messages. There are black people who are spending their time cleaning up this rubbish because they know people will assume that black people did it. It is bs, and a mockery of what is really going on. It is a mockery of a very serious issue that needs to be addressed. And it isn't just about the cops. **** boy politicians can try and be twitter cool but it is a socioeconomic issue.

[Saint Lazarus]

I saw some numbers of the murders committed by the police divided by race and police kills a significant number of white persons more than black or Hispanic or other people of color, so I don't really get why "all lives matter" is such a big deal.

For example https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/

This is why the phrase "per capita" was invented