Non-threadworthy MMA Rumors/Quotes/Tweets/Etc., Vol. 5

[Susan]

Also, I'm kind of surprised at how skimpy some of these cards are. After a few months off I kind of thought they would be putting on stacked cards due to fighters just wanting to fight. That said, maybe they are trying to keep costs low with the low gates? I know they are contractually obligated to put on so many fights for espn, probably regardless of the competitors involved. That said, I think they are also contractually obligated to offer fighters on the roster a certain number of fights per year.

It's limited to:
-fighters located in the US
-fighters willing to fight on pretty short notice

So that brings down the talent pool a ton until Fight Island hits.

[REDDzone]

Also, I'm kind of surprised at how skimpy some of these cards are. After a few months off I kind of thought they would be putting on stacked cards due to fighters just wanting to fight. That said, maybe they are trying to keep costs low with the low gates? I know they are contractually obligated to put on so many fights for espn, probably regardless of the competitors involved. That said, I think they are also contractually obligated to offer fighters on the roster a certain number of fights per year.

It's limited to:
-fighters located in the US
-fighters willing to fight on pretty short notice

So that brings down the talent pool a ton until Fight Island hits.

I admit I only read the headline but I thought I saw that professional athletes could now travel to the U.S.? If so, is fight island even necessary? Especially now that NV is open for them.

[Susan]

Also, I'm kind of surprised at how skimpy some of these cards are. After a few months off I kind of thought they would be putting on stacked cards due to fighters just wanting to fight. That said, maybe they are trying to keep costs low with the low gates? I know they are contractually obligated to put on so many fights for espn, probably regardless of the competitors involved. That said, I think they are also contractually obligated to offer fighters on the roster a certain number of fights per year.

It's limited to:
-fighters located in the US
-fighters willing to fight on pretty short notice

So that brings down the talent pool a ton until Fight Island hits.

I admit I only read the headline but I thought I saw that professional athletes could now travel to the U.S.? If so, is fight island even necessary? Especially now that NV is open for them.

I legit have no idea to be honest.

[REDDzone]

It's limited to:
-fighters located in the US
-fighters willing to fight on pretty short notice

So that brings down the talent pool a ton until Fight Island hits.

I admit I only read the headline but I thought I saw that professional athletes could now travel to the U.S.? If so, is fight island even necessary? Especially now that NV is open for them.

I legit have no idea to be honest.

Quick google search, seems legit:

https://middleeasy.com/mma-news/fight-island-us-exemption/

[Susan]

Jon Jones came out hard today/yesterday in the wake of the George Floyd and Amy Cooper incidents.

Honestly, this is the first moment I can remember where I have a positive thing to say about Jon in nearly ten years.

[Susan]

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Tripple Henry!

[Joker]

Also, I'm kind of surprised at how skimpy some of these cards are. After a few months off I kind of thought they would be putting on stacked cards due to fighters just wanting to fight. That said, maybe they are trying to keep costs low with the low gates? I know they are contractually obligated to put on so many fights for espn, probably regardless of the competitors involved. That said, I think they are also contractually obligated to offer fighters on the roster a certain number of fights per year.

There might be 2-3 fights that have been announced in the next couple of months that Im interested to see, fights not cards.

Woodley vs Burns should be good. Burns I have as the next champ at 170
Josh Emmett vs Burgos. Im not excited for this fight and most likely will take me a day or 2 after this fight happened to realize it happened and go back to watch it. But should be a pretty entertaining fight

That is about it till mid July as of right now. Most cards between now and then aren't booked yet, so hopefully a good flow of good fights come in. But as of right now, just nothing to get excited about at all. UFC 250 is taking place in a week and a half and that might be the worst PPV card of all time as of right now. Ya it doesnt look complete yet (I dont think) but no way you get any good names to fight on that short of notice.

My guess is the UFC went all out for that first show and now dont want to waste any good cards or matchups until they get fans back and get their gate income back.

Sandhagen vs. Sterling is a great fight coming up. Basically title eliminator fight between two high-level guys.

[Dupp]

Bit going on between Jon and Dana. I know most people don’t like Jones but I’d believe him over Dana.



Also, Jon tweets quite a lot. At least lately he had since I’ve been paying attention.

[Jasen777]

It's a tough call for me. I somehow don't believe either of them.

[Headliner]

I believe Dana in that Jon asked for an obscene amount of money.
He was obviously trying to create buzz and add pressure on Dana to make the fight before negotiations start.

I also think Jones knows that the writing is on the wall. He’s obviously still elite but he’s not invincible at this stage and without his PEDS. He wants to cash in on one mega pay day, win or lose so he can call it a day at any point. That pay day is only coming at Hw

[NO-KG-AI]

Sounds more like wishful thinking than reality^

Jon seems adamant on “show the text”, which means whatever he asked for was probably via a phonecall and not a text . Francis is saying the UFC doesn’t seem to want it at all, regardless of the money issue. I bet Jon asked for a lot, but I bet Dana is also embellishing.

I bet the UFC doesn’t want to derail either guy right now without it being like a champ vs champ fight or something monumental.

There definitely is no big money at LHW. He so thoroughly dispatched the entire division, basically two generations of it.

There isn’t an interesting fight at that weight class, not even Adesanya, outside of all the talk, that’ll end up a point fight. There’s no reason for me to think a guy that couldn’t finish Anderson Silva who is 45 with a broken chib, and will let you tee off on him, can finish Bones, who hasn’t even been rocked or hurt at this point.

After all the talk of a Francis fight, going back to fight Reyes or Jan will be boring as hell. Francis or Stipe please. Leave my boy DC alone.


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[aggerrard]

Sounds more like wishful thinking than reality^

Jon seems adamant on “show the text”, which means whatever he asked for was probably via a phonecall and not a text . Francis is saying the UFC doesn’t seem to want it at all, regardless of the money issue. I bet Jon asked for a lot, but I bet Dana is also embellishing.

I bet the UFC doesn’t want to derail either guy right now without it being like a champ vs champ fight or something monumental.

There definitely is no big money at LHW. He so thoroughly dispatched the entire division, basically two generations of it.

There isn’t an interesting fight at that weight class, not even Adesanya, outside of all the talk, that’ll end up a point fight. There’s no reason for me to think a guy that couldn’t finish Anderson Silva who is 45 with a broken chib, and will let you tee off on him, can finish Bones, who hasn’t even been rocked or hurt at this point.

After all the talk of a Francis fight, going back to fight Reyes or Jan will be boring as hell. Francis or Stipe please. Leave my boy DC alone.


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I mean, he deserves the money tbh. As a main event he has sold the 3rd most PPVs in history behind GSP and Conor. He is probably the third biggest draw currently in MMA behind Conor and Khabib. A much bigger draw than Wilder as an example. Jones vs Ngannou i'd say do 7-800k buys - which probably estimates to 1-1.2m buys in the old format. Let's say it does +700k buys in the 'new' format with ESPN, Jones deserves 15m.

Might not be the most intriguing matchups right now at LHW - but Jones will still do great numbers. Jones vs Jan easily outnumbers fights like Yan vs Aldo, Volkanovski vs Holloway, Izzy vs Costa and i'd even say it'll do better numbers than a Usman vs Masvidal headliner or a DC vs Miocic. If we are saying a rematch with Reyes, i'm certain it outdraws any fight with Usman (besides Conor ofc) or any fight with Miocic.

Jones vs Izzy - i think that draws more than a Khabib vs Gaethje fight. All in all, also based on the numbers, Jones is a draw and always been. Give him his money...

[Susan]

I hate Dana more than I hate Jones.

Jones has done a lot of self harm to his legacy but Dana is a **** **** idiot in his own special space. In fact Dana's handling of Jones has only enabled Jon and made his issues worse. They're both **** but I will always have more sympathy for Jon.

[cowboyronnie]

I haven't followed this at all but lol @ Dana implicitly claiming it absurd that Jones should make Wilder money. Why the **** wouldn't he? Dana's gaslit the industry.

(Wilder vs Fury II 'show money', OK, maybe not. But that's because of what Tyson contributes, bringing in the Euro audience.)

[aggerrard]

I hate Dana more than I hate Jones.

Jones has done a lot of self harm to his legacy but Dana is a **** **** idiot in his own special space. In fact Dana's handling of Jones has only enabled Jon and made his issues worse. They're both **** but I will always have more sympathy for Jon.

I can see why people say Jones is a **** person.

Don't really care though. He's my fave fighter - always has been, always will be.
Highlights from his early fights in the UFC got me into watching MMA, around 2011-12.

[aggerrard]

Question. Jones vs Reyes, Gus and Santos. Which of those do you guys think he lost - and if you think he lost some of them, what are your argument for him losing?

[cowboyronnie]

He definitely lost in some moral sense against Santos, given that Santos had no knees for like 4 rounds.

I can't remember how tight I thought the Reyes fight was. He clearly won the first couple but I think I may have given Jon the last 3, as Reyes's movement slowed down.

It's tough to watch them unbiased, given that we are all giddy about, a) someone actually competing with Jon athletically, b) the prospect of that prick losing. His opponent's successes become a little too salient, I think.

[aggerrard]

He definitely lost in some moral sense against Santos, given that Santos had no knees for like 4 rounds.

I can't remember how tight I thought the Reyes fight was. He clearly won the first couple but I think I may have given Jon the last 3, as Reyes's movement slowed down.

It's tough to watch them unbiased, given that we are all giddy about, a) someone actually competing with Jon athletically, b) the prospect of that prick losing. His opponent's successes become a little too salient, I think.

That's fair and i agree on the points you are making.

The reason i'm asking is, it seems like alot of those who thinks Jones lost all three fight are using media scores and punches landed as the only arguments for why Reyes won. But if that's how you judge it, then Jones won way more convincingly against both Gus and Santos.

My bias did lean me towards Jones in the Reyes fight. But honestly trying to wipe my bias and pride to the side, i think Reyes had those first three round. He outlanded Jones and landed the cleaner punches. In the Gus and Santos fight though, i really don't see the argument for Jones losing - based on the rules of the octagon.

[REDDzone]

I'm pretty sure I had Jones winning vs Gus and squeaking by Santos. But losing to Reyes 3-2.

[Jasen777]

I only had Reyes winning, but I do think Jones got lucky with Santos' injury.