Trade Ideas Thread

[Homerclease]

Langford means little to me and I’d like to see him dealt, but not for Kennard. Bad knees and due a new contract too soon

[31to6]

hey you get a chance to do the Chauncey Billups/Joe Johnson trades again you gotta do it, right?

[Dogen]

I'm not sure why the team picked Langford, how he fits now with the team, or what they will do with him. He wasn't in my top choices at that spot, I hoped for Sekou, then Herro and PJ (both gone) and after that Clarke, Thybulle or maybe Goga for a big.

Langford was a surprise to me, but if there is the coach's Indiana connection, or Danny was high on his upside, I can totally see it.

Having said that, it really does follow Danny's MO to acquire assets, build up value, and then cash them in, so having a surplus of talent at a particular position is not a problem for Danny. If Romeo develops a J, I suspect that in the short term (I know... what short term?!) there will be many rumors around Romeo if he shines and can't get much time on the floor. OTOH, I've grown to like his game from the little I've seen and won't be at all surprised if he ends up being one of the better players out of that draft in a couple years.

So I'd hold onto him, see what the next draft brings, and a chance to see what he's done with his game during this latest phase.

[Bleeding Green]

Langford was looked at as a top-5 pick going into his freshman year when he played the entire season with a thumb injury. It's not hard to see why they drafted the 6'6" ballhandling, slashing, long, athletic, wing player. Even if you discount his potential for whatever reason, you have to have a really specific kind of team to want to trade such a player after less than 300 minutes of NBA gametime. And for someone who ... what exactly is Kennard's role? Like 20 MPG gunner or something?

[Cuban Pete]

Everyone underrates contract control. Kennard is really nice offensively, but he's also an RFA after next year. They already control Langford through '22-'23 and his defensive ability is like a billion times greater than Kennard's. I think I'm like the biggest Romeo Langford fan on the board, though. He's the prototypical wing that Ainge loves, and just started getting back into the rotation and contributing as a raw rookie on a team that was on pace for 55 wins. I don't know why you'd want to trade him for an average NBA starter. Maybe if the Celtics had some defined window for a championship, I'd consider it, but the Celtics are primed for 10+ years of top-end competitive play assuming normal injury luck. Like 2009-2011 era Celtics and you want to make a trade like this? Go for it.

Would you rather have Langford for the next three seasons on his rookie-scale contract or have Luke Kennard for one season and then potentially have to match a 4/40 deal or something like that?

If I wanted to win now, Kennard. Langford can't shoot. He couldn't shoot at Indiana. Everyone needs to stop overrating his defense. He's far from exceptional. He's the second coming of James Young. That said, the Pistons have another shooting guard in Bruce Brown. He's a better shooter and defender than Langford and is a better value than the overpaid ($12mil per season) Marcus Smart.

[Parliament10]

Everyone underrates contract control. Kennard is really nice offensively, but he's also an RFA after next year. They already control Langford through '22-'23 and his defensive ability is like a billion times greater than Kennard's. I think I'm like the biggest Romeo Langford fan on the board, though. He's the prototypical wing that Ainge loves, and just started getting back into the rotation and contributing as a raw rookie on a team that was on pace for 55 wins. I don't know why you'd want to trade him for an average NBA starter. Maybe if the Celtics had some defined window for a championship, I'd consider it, but the Celtics are primed for 10+ years of top-end competitive play assuming normal injury luck. Like 2009-2011 era Celtics and you want to make a trade like this? Go for it.

Would you rather have Langford for the next three seasons on his rookie-scale contract or have Luke Kennard for one season and then potentially have to match a 4/40 deal or something like that?

If I wanted to win now, Kennard. Langford can't shoot. He couldn't shoot at Indiana. Everyone needs to stop overrating his defense. He's far from exceptional. He's the second coming of James Young. That said, the Pistons have another shooting guard in Bruce Brown. He's a better shooter and defender than Langford and is a better value than the overpaid ($12mil per season) Marcus Smart.

Riiight.
So, why is his team 20-46?

The Grass Always looks Greener, in another yard, or context.
Langford (and most of the Rookies) is worth more of a look.

The Celtics are where they are -- and where they have been for the past several years --
Due in no small part to Smart's Tenacity, Coach Stevens Expertise, and Danny Ainge's Cunning.

[hugepatsfan]

Langford's rookie year looks a lot like Rozier's or Avery Bradley's. How did they turn out?

We can't sit here and pretend that him not being able to get consistent minutes over Semi Ojeleye or Brad Wanamaker isn't a negative or somewhat concerning. I get that he's a rookie but those aren't great players. No one is asking him to be Rookie of the Year but it's fair to question why he hasn't been able to crack the rotation.

It's also not fair to write him off. He clearly has talent and as a team competing player development is often pushed aside. He could end up being a very good player still.

[bucknersrevenge]

Langford's rookie year looks a lot like Rozier's or Avery Bradley's. How did they turn out?

We can't sit here and pretend that him not being able to get consistent minutes over Semi Ojeleye or Brad Wanamaker isn't a negative or somewhat concerning. I get that he's a rookie but those aren't great players. No one is asking him to be Rookie of the Year but it's fair to question why he hasn't been able to crack the rotation.

It's also not fair to write him off. He clearly has talent and as a team competing player development is often pushed aside. He could end up being a very good player still.

Not only that, but you cannot overstate the impact of the injuries he had at the beginning of the year had on him. Missed Training camp and Summer League recovering from an ankle injury. Then he sustained another one in his 2nd game in the G-League after recovering so it took him a while to recover from that too. This was after the thumb injury from the previous year and spending a lot of his recovery time overhauling his jumpshot which is still a work in progress. I was hesitant about the selection but I understand more now why Brad and Danny chose him based on what they look for in players. This year was a rough year but I'd like to see where he is by the end of next year. It's already tough for rookies but even his harshest critics should be able to acknowledge that he had a bad luck start and we really haven't been able to assess him at all yet.

[themoneyteam2]

Everyone underrates contract control. Kennard is really nice offensively, but he's also an RFA after next year. They already control Langford through '22-'23 and his defensive ability is like a billion times greater than Kennard's. I think I'm like the biggest Romeo Langford fan on the board, though. He's the prototypical wing that Ainge loves, and just started getting back into the rotation and contributing as a raw rookie on a team that was on pace for 55 wins. I don't know why you'd want to trade him for an average NBA starter. Maybe if the Celtics had some defined window for a championship, I'd consider it, but the Celtics are primed for 10+ years of top-end competitive play assuming normal injury luck. Like 2009-2011 era Celtics and you want to make a trade like this? Go for it.

Would you rather have Langford for the next three seasons on his rookie-scale contract or have Luke Kennard for one season and then potentially have to match a 4/40 deal or something like that?

If I wanted to win now, Kennard. Langford can't shoot. He couldn't shoot at Indiana. Everyone needs to stop overrating his defense. He's far from exceptional. He's the second coming of James Young. That said, the Pistons have another shooting guard in Bruce Brown. He's a better shooter and defender than Langford and is a better value than the overpaid ($12mil per season) Marcus Smart.

Just come out and say that you don't like the Celtics players other than Tatum lol. James Young showed maybe 2 flashes in 3 seasons in Boston of being a good NBA player.

Smart is overpaid at $12 million per year? Go take a look at the recent deals and get back to me.

Here are some comparable 2019 Free Agents that make more than him:
Cory Joseph - $12.3 mil
Ariza - $12.5 mil
Beverly - $13.3 mil
Thaddeus Young - $13.6 mil
Marcus Morris - $15 mil
Terrence Ross - $16 mil
Julius Randle - $21 mil

[Bleeding Green]

Everyone underrates contract control. Kennard is really nice offensively, but he's also an RFA after next year. They already control Langford through '22-'23 and his defensive ability is like a billion times greater than Kennard's. I think I'm like the biggest Romeo Langford fan on the board, though. He's the prototypical wing that Ainge loves, and just started getting back into the rotation and contributing as a raw rookie on a team that was on pace for 55 wins. I don't know why you'd want to trade him for an average NBA starter. Maybe if the Celtics had some defined window for a championship, I'd consider it, but the Celtics are primed for 10+ years of top-end competitive play assuming normal injury luck. Like 2009-2011 era Celtics and you want to make a trade like this? Go for it.

Would you rather have Langford for the next three seasons on his rookie-scale contract or have Luke Kennard for one season and then potentially have to match a 4/40 deal or something like that?

If I wanted to win now, Kennard. Langford can't shoot. He couldn't shoot at Indiana. Everyone needs to stop overrating his defense. He's far from exceptional. He's the second coming of James Young. That said, the Pistons have another shooting guard in Bruce Brown. He's a better shooter and defender than Langford and is a better value than the overpaid ($12mil per season) Marcus Smart.

Just come out and say that you don't like the Celtics players other than Tatum lol. James Young showed maybe 2 flashes in 3 seasons in Boston of being a good NBA player.

Smart is overpaid at $12 million per year? Go take a look at the recent deals and get back to me.

Here are some comparable 2019 Free Agents that make more than him:
Cory Joseph - $12.3 mil
Ariza - $12.5 mil
Beverly - $13.3 mil
Thaddeus Young - $13.6 mil
Marcus Morris - $15 mil
Terrence Ross - $16 mil
Julius Randle - $21 mil

Usually when someone says a player is overpaid, they don't grasp the economics of the NBA salary cap even a little bit. The retort is usually that all these other players are overpaid as well.

I think if they paid Smart 1 dollar per season, it would have little extra impact on the roster since they're over the cap by more than Smart's entire salary anyway. And if they want to make a trade for a max-level contract player, Smart's salary is really useful.

If Romeo Langford peaks in his first 300 NBA minutes and is out of the league by age 22, I'll be a little shocked.

[captain green]

So quick answer to the Kennard trade , nope.
At 1st on draft night I was excited but confused about the pick an immediately thought he was getting traded, I still thought throughout the season a deal fell through and we'd just give him in a trial period (I didn't like the draft at all at the time still don't not really a big deal but I blamed it on a deal failed. ) Now flash to now I'm not impressed with Langford except his d is pleasantly surprising. But I'll take just the chance due to the knees and frailty knock more likely a chance he get hurts plus I also still feel he gets traded though. Just don't like the deal.
Just a side note but Tremont is our best pick and rookie aquasition this year followed by g.will (even though I would prefer other rookies at his pick)

[Floody100]

Got this from the ‘Trades & Transactions’ page & thought it was in interesting prospect.

“BOS out: Gordon, Theis, Romeo, Mil 1st, 21 2nd
BOS in: Myles Turner, Lamb, Dougie Mcbuckets, T.J Leaf
IND vice versa

Why for Ind? Indy has great perimeter defense on guards but warren won't cut it against the elite wings of the east, jimmy butler proved that. with Boston, Miami, Milwaukee, and Brooklyn all having elite 6'7-6'11 wings(KD) there has to be a stopper, or at the very least a guy to slow them down, that's Gordon Hayward. He's a fundamentally sound defensive player with active hands, a strong lower body, and a long frame. He regularly guards jimmy & Khris while having defended KD back on the west coast. He'll be an expiring contract but he'll be in his home state which will be a big incentive to stay. They're giving up over 20pts of valuable bench scoring with lamb and Mcbuckets but moving T.J warren to the bench will cover most of that. He's a walking bucket and not starting will only cost him about 5 minutes a game and he'll regularly be in crunch time as a small-ball PF with a Malcolm/VIC/Gordon/tj/Sabonis lineup. Plus Romeo was a Mr. Indiana and with more minutes can show off his offensive skill set that was muted in Boston. Indy isn't sacrificing its paint protection either, Theis isn't a rim protector in the same class as turner but he's defensively solid from post to the line and can switch onto guards in the Pn&R, he saved the game vs. Atlanta but blocking trae young's 3pt attempt after staying with him after he attempted to create space from dancing. He has also had great defensive possesions against chris paul this year who is a top 5 ballhandler. Plus they get to fulfill an Irony by getting a pick from the guys who are taking their pick. Their offense improves, the defense becomes more modern looking to stifle the three-ball better than anyone else while maintaining a good paint presence and a young local hero.

Why for Bos? Fill the holes on the team, rim protection, and bench scoring. Theis is good, but he isn't elite. He can get pushed around by Embiid, Lopez, and other big physical centers of the east. Indy has a true PF to help him but Boston doesn't. Turner would fit like a glove with great rebounding wings to gobble up boards after he boxes them out who give him space to work in the paint. The Pn&R and Pn&P with Kemba would be fantastic and Boston's defense would be first in the game. Plus the bench would round out nicely after struggling to get points this year. They give up two picks, but have a treasure chest full of em' and don't need much more youth on a young team.”


Losing Hayward’s playmaking isn’t great but I’d presume Smart slots straight in to the starting unit & makes up for that. The other three players in the trade would help our bench tremendously considering we were the second worst bench this season.

Thoughts ?

[big-shot-ROB]

Got this from the ‘Trades & Transactions’ page & thought it was in interesting prospect.

“BOS out: Gordon, Theis, Romeo, Mil 1st, 21 2nd
BOS in: Myles Turner, Lamb, Dougie Mcbuckets, T.J Leaf
IND vice versa

Why for Ind? Indy has great perimeter defense on guards but warren won't cut it against the elite wings of the east, jimmy butler proved that. with Boston, Miami, Milwaukee, and Brooklyn all having elite 6'7-6'11 wings(KD) there has to be a stopper, or at the very least a guy to slow them down, that's Gordon Hayward. He's a fundamentally sound defensive player with active hands, a strong lower body, and a long frame. He regularly guards jimmy & Khris while having defended KD back on the west coast. He'll be an expiring contract but he'll be in his home state which will be a big incentive to stay. They're giving up over 20pts of valuable bench scoring with lamb and Mcbuckets but moving T.J warren to the bench will cover most of that. He's a walking bucket and not starting will only cost him about 5 minutes a game and he'll regularly be in crunch time as a small-ball PF with a Malcolm/VIC/Gordon/tj/Sabonis lineup. Plus Romeo was a Mr. Indiana and with more minutes can show off his offensive skill set that was muted in Boston. Indy isn't sacrificing its paint protection either, Theis isn't a rim protector in the same class as turner but he's defensively solid from post to the line and can switch onto guards in the Pn&R, he saved the game vs. Atlanta but blocking trae young's 3pt attempt after staying with him after he attempted to create space from dancing. He has also had great defensive possesions against chris paul this year who is a top 5 ballhandler. Plus they get to fulfill an Irony by getting a pick from the guys who are taking their pick. Their offense improves, the defense becomes more modern looking to stifle the three-ball better than anyone else while maintaining a good paint presence and a young local hero.

Why for Bos? Fill the holes on the team, rim protection, and bench scoring. Theis is good, but he isn't elite. He can get pushed around by Embiid, Lopez, and other big physical centers of the east. Indy has a true PF to help him but Boston doesn't. Turner would fit like a glove with great rebounding wings to gobble up boards after he boxes them out who give him space to work in the paint. The Pn&R and Pn&P with Kemba would be fantastic and Boston's defense would be first in the game. Plus the bench would round out nicely after struggling to get points this year. They give up two picks, but have a treasure chest full of em' and don't need much more youth on a young team.”


Losing Hayward’s playmaking isn’t great but I’d presume Smart slots straight in to the starting unit & makes up for that. The other three players in the trade would help our bench tremendously considering we were the second worst bench this season.

Thoughts ?

This trade is so horrible I am not even going to bother arguing why, Just nope.

[Floody100]

Got this from the ‘Trades & Transactions’ page & thought it was in interesting prospect.

“BOS out: Gordon, Theis, Romeo, Mil 1st, 21 2nd
BOS in: Myles Turner, Lamb, Dougie Mcbuckets, T.J Leaf
IND vice versa

Why for Ind? Indy has great perimeter defense on guards but warren won't cut it against the elite wings of the east, jimmy butler proved that. with Boston, Miami, Milwaukee, and Brooklyn all having elite 6'7-6'11 wings(KD) there has to be a stopper, or at the very least a guy to slow them down, that's Gordon Hayward. He's a fundamentally sound defensive player with active hands, a strong lower body, and a long frame. He regularly guards jimmy & Khris while having defended KD back on the west coast. He'll be an expiring contract but he'll be in his home state which will be a big incentive to stay. They're giving up over 20pts of valuable bench scoring with lamb and Mcbuckets but moving T.J warren to the bench will cover most of that. He's a walking bucket and not starting will only cost him about 5 minutes a game and he'll regularly be in crunch time as a small-ball PF with a Malcolm/VIC/Gordon/tj/Sabonis lineup. Plus Romeo was a Mr. Indiana and with more minutes can show off his offensive skill set that was muted in Boston. Indy isn't sacrificing its paint protection either, Theis isn't a rim protector in the same class as turner but he's defensively solid from post to the line and can switch onto guards in the Pn&R, he saved the game vs. Atlanta but blocking trae young's 3pt attempt after staying with him after he attempted to create space from dancing. He has also had great defensive possesions against chris paul this year who is a top 5 ballhandler. Plus they get to fulfill an Irony by getting a pick from the guys who are taking their pick. Their offense improves, the defense becomes more modern looking to stifle the three-ball better than anyone else while maintaining a good paint presence and a young local hero.

Why for Bos? Fill the holes on the team, rim protection, and bench scoring. Theis is good, but he isn't elite. He can get pushed around by Embiid, Lopez, and other big physical centers of the east. Indy has a true PF to help him but Boston doesn't. Turner would fit like a glove with great rebounding wings to gobble up boards after he boxes them out who give him space to work in the paint. The Pn&R and Pn&P with Kemba would be fantastic and Boston's defense would be first in the game. Plus the bench would round out nicely after struggling to get points this year. They give up two picks, but have a treasure chest full of em' and don't need much more youth on a young team.”


Losing Hayward’s playmaking isn’t great but I’d presume Smart slots straight in to the starting unit & makes up for that. The other three players in the trade would help our bench tremendously considering we were the second worst bench this season.

Thoughts ?

This trade is so horrible I am not even going to bother arguing why, Just nope.

Fair enough

[big-shot-ROB]

Just 5 cents:

Hayward has been a top-25 player by all advanced metrics this season and Theis is the engine of our defense while being paid 1/4 of what Turner is owed. On top of it we are sending 2 first round picks for Lamb and TJ Leaf? Yeah, nope.

[snowman]

Sorry, but I don't like either of these deals. I really don't think we need to trade ANY of our top 10 guys.

I want to see trades involving Edwards, Wannamaker (S&T ?) Semi, Poirier and Green, and adding our 26th and 30th picks to bring back a decent vet for the bench. I know we would get much with any combo of that, but a decent vet from a lotto team that wants to move an older vet ? Like a Leon Powe, or PJ Brown type of move. I thought Edwards was going to be a Vinnie "microwave" Johnson (shows you how old I am lol) but that hasn't happened yet. Semi started showing up late in the season due to injuries, and I started changing my mind, but not fully yet. (As a side note, I had forgotten that Semi and Tatum was drafted in the same year)

[theman]

I have seen it mentioned that John Collins could be on the trade block as he is a free agent summer of 2021 and he doesn't fit perfectly with Trae Young. This article lines out two potential trades.
https://hardwoodhoudini.com/2020/04/19/boston-celtics-john-collins/

I am going to tweek them slightly:

Boston Receives:
John Collins
Kevin Huerter

Atlanta Receives:
Romeo Langford
Grant Williams
Memphis 2020 1st round pick
Boston 2021 1st round pick
Boston 2020 and 2022 2nd round picks.

Williams and Langford have both shown flash and are young so should have appeal to Atlanta. And of course draft picks are always desirable. If Atalanta does not want to invest the max in Collins this could be a good deal.

Why for Boston, if not obvious. Collins is a 20/10 small ball center who shoots 40% from the field. A perfect fit for Steven's system. Huerter is a young 2 guard with good 3pt shooting.

The only question is are the current owners willing to go into the tax to chance a championship?

Starting line up:
PG: Walker
SG: Brown
SF: Hayward
PF: Tatum
C: Collins

Second Unit:
PG: Smart
SG: Edwards
SF: Huerter
PF: Ojeleye
C: Kanter/Thies

[GregB]

It really makes zero sense financially. He’s talking about deserving a max deal. We wouldn’t be able to afford him.

[hugepatsfan]

I have seen it mentioned that John Collins could be on the trade block as he is a free agent summer of 2021 and he doesn't fit perfectly with Trae Young. This article lines out two potential trades.
https://hardwoodhoudini.com/2020/04/19/boston-celtics-john-collins/

I am going to tweek them slightly:

Boston Receives:
John Collins
Kevin Huerter

Atlanta Receives:
Romeo Langford
Grant Williams
Memphis 2020 1st round pick
Boston 2021 1st round pick
Boston 2020 and 2022 2nd round picks.

Williams and Langford have both shown flash and are young so should have appeal to Atlanta. And of course draft picks are always desirable. If Atalanta does not want to invest the max in Collins this could be a good deal.

Why for Boston, if not obvious. Collins is a 20/10 small ball center who shoots 40% from the field. A perfect fit for Steven's system. Huerter is a young 2 guard with good 3pt shooting.

The only question is are the current owners willing to go into the tax to chance a championship?

Starting line up:
PG: Walker
SG: Brown
SF: Hayward
PF: Tatum
C: Collins

Second Unit:
PG: Smart
SG: Edwards
SF: Huerter
PF: Ojeleye
C: Kanter/Thies

In the NBA it's tough to trade 4 quarters for a dollar. Romeo has upside but hasn't shown any of it and one year of his rookie contract will be gone. Grant Williams showed flashes of being a good role player and I see Boris Diaw/PJ Tucker potential but that's not particularly huge upside if he even reaches it. The MEM pick is projected at #17 in what's considered an unspectacular class. Our 2021 1st would project to be later in the round.

I definitely don't think you could get Huerter back with Collins. 4 1st round picks/players might be enough to get ATL on the phone. Maybe they like Romeo's long term ability, think Grant is a good role player and like the potential of a player in this draft as well as the depth of next year. It's not unrealistic. But for a player like Collins I imagine someone might offer them something a little more concrete.

Also, while Collins has played some 5, ATL went out and got Capela because all of the weaknesses we have at the 5 defending size they had with Collins. He gives us a better player on paper for sure and would definitely boost our overall skill and talent level but he doesn't really address the specific skill set weakness we have at the 5.

On our end, the big issue is the finances. We'd have Tatum's extension kicking in next year to go with Hayward and Collins being FAs. We could re-sign one of them and go into the tax but a reasonable level but both Hayward and Collins re-signed would be unrealistic. You could let Hayward walk but that leaves a big hole on the bench when Smart steps into the lineup. I think Ainge would rather just re-sign Hayward and have 4 1st round players over Collins. Hayward might be older but he's a better player than Collins.

I just don't see Collins as a viable enough long term piece to justify trading 4 1st round picks/players for him.

[hugepatsfan]

Not a flashy idea but how about this 4-team deal (agreed to one draft night, executed the next year)...

BOS gives: C Enes Kanter, F Semi Ojeleye, G Carsen Edwards, C Vincent Poirier, #47 pick
BOS gets: C Cody Zeller

POR gives: top 55 protected future 2nd rounder
POR gets: C Enes Kanter (taken into Bazemore trade exception)

CHA gives: C Cody Zeller
CHA gets: F James Johnson, #33 pick, #47 pick

MIN gives: F James Johnson, #33 pick
MIN gets: F Semi Ojeleye, G Carsen Edwards, C Vincent Poirier

I'll start with POR... pretty simple, Kanter was great in his time there and they actually tried to re-sign him but he came here because they called him late. I doubt they want to pay Whiteside to back up Nurkic so this fills that spot. They get to keep their MLE to address desperate need for wing help now.

MIN does this to avoid the luxury tax. With their two 1st round picks (projected #3 and #16) as well as expected extensions for Malik Beasley and Juan Hernangomez will take them to the tax. This offers them financial relief.

For CHA, they move Zeller for a useful player in Johnson making the same amount but pick up two second rounder in the process, one of which is very early. They're a rebuilding team so this helps.

For us, we clean top the back end of our roster and upgrade the C spot. Zeller was a great P&R player with Kemba and has some defensive versatility to step outside when needed. His contract makes facilitating a mid season rate much easier too as an added bonus.

Nothing earth-shattering but helps us clear some roster space and upgrade marginally.