2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 5) -LOTTO 8/25 DRAFT 10/15!

[mpharris36]

Obi is better than both Bagley and OO

Don't @ me

he's older than both, thats for certain

[3toheadmelo]

tristen thompson doesn't protect the rim like OO or guard in space and he isn't a lob threat. They basically just both rebound well (that is what they have in common)

Bagley does have more potential than Randle, hands down. However that still doesn't solve the issue that you will have to pay bagley.

I would rather invest in our own rookie and have 4 years to decide if he's good.

Not one year.

Nah I rather not invest in a rookie that has 0 star potential and would take a shot at Bagley. Tristan Thompson vibes from Onyeka.

For the knicks I would personally rather have one of the guards in the draft that can help the team then another forward that doesn't shoot it well and requires a good PG to get him his shots.

I want someone that can be a star

[HEZI]

Obi is better than both Bagley and OO

Don't @ me

he's older than both, thats for certain

He's 22 not 32

[aggo]

On Frank Ntilikina being a defensive wiz...

Out of the 205 players in the NBA that has played more than 40 games this season and who averaged more than 20 minutes a game Frank Ntilkina currently ranks 95 in terms of Defensive Rating (Giannis is no.1), 148 in terms of Defensive Win Shares Per Game (Giannis also is no.1 here) and 23 in steal percentage (Dejuante Murray is no.1). Other than steal percentage, I'm not sure that the notion that Frank Ntilikina is an elite defensive player is necessarily true. He may be one of the best defenders on the Knicks (he's tops on the Knicks in Defensive Rating and 4th in Defensive Win Shares per game) but I think we may be looking at this through some sort of jaded lenses here. Bit of that reverse grass is greener perspective here maybe? Guys trying to talk themselves into something more than it is?

Given that I'm a big Frank supporter, I'd be curious to know what is the rank by the youngest in that defensive rating list.

Also it's funny that James "Big D" Harden is ranked at a guady 43, slightly ahead of Kristaps Porzingis who is ranked 55 in defensive win/shares. Would that be accurate in your opinion?

lets just boil this down to simplest simplest terms.


Player A

offensive win shares = -4.0
defensive win shares = +2.0

net -2

Player B

ows = +4.0
dws= -2.0

net +2


that's what arguing about frank is. He's a bench player whose ok to see 15-20mpg tops because you need to score in this league. His defense is nice, but he's still likely a net negative on the floor in terms of actual win contribution.

[knickstape21]

Get Fox not Bagley lol.

[mpharris36]

Nah I rather not invest in a rookie that has 0 star potential and would take a shot at Bagley. Tristan Thompson vibes from Onyeka.

For the knicks I would personally rather have one of the guards in the draft that can help the team then another forward that doesn't shoot it well and requires a good PG to get him his shots.

I want someone that can be a star

If Haliburton can be like Lonzo. Thats better than Begley right now.

I also think hayes has high potential and thats assuming we don't move up.

Because LaMelo, Edwards, and even Wiseman have more potential than Bagley.

[mpharris36]

Obi is better than both Bagley and OO

Don't @ me

he's older than both, thats for certain

He's 22 not 32

it will feel like he's 32 when his rookie contract is over

[3toheadmelo]

For the knicks I would personally rather have one of the guards in the draft that can help the team then another forward that doesn't shoot it well and requires a good PG to get him his shots.

I want someone that can be a star

If Haliburton can be like Lonzo. Thats better than Begley right now.

I also think hayes has high potential and thats assuming we don't move up.

Because LaMelo, Edwards, and even Wiseman have more potential than Bagley.

He has more potential than Haliburton and Hayes. Those are the players in our range. Therefore, I rather have Bagley

[mpharris36]

I want someone that can be a star

If Haliburton can be like Lonzo. Thats better than Begley right now.

I also think hayes has high potential and thats assuming we don't move up.

Because LaMelo, Edwards, and even Wiseman have more potential than Bagley.

He has more potential than Haliburton and Hayes. Those are the players in our range. Therefore, I rather have Bagley

I don't know what you watched over his first two years to think Bagley is a "star". He's a good young players that can finish around the basket and rebound.

He doesn't really protect the paint, is overall a poor defender, and he hasn't proved to have a consistent NBA shot.

He is a really good athlete though but I don't know why he can be a "star" when others can't. Especially when so far he is lacking key important skills that star players have.

Most stars can either shoot or playmake while usually playing good defense. He does neither of the 3.

At this point Mitch is a better player than Bagley.

[3toheadmelo]

If Haliburton can be like Lonzo. Thats better than Begley right now.

I also think hayes has high potential and thats assuming we don't move up.

Because LaMelo, Edwards, and even Wiseman have more potential than Bagley.

He has more potential than Haliburton and Hayes. Those are the players in our range. Therefore, I rather have Bagley

I don't know what you watched over his first two years to think Bagley is a "star". He's a good young players that can finish around the basket and rebound.

He doesn't really protect the paint, is overall a poor defender, and he hasn't proved to have a consistent NBA shot.

He is a really good athlete though but I don't know why he can be a "star" when others can't. Especially when so far he is lacking key important skills that star players have.

Most stars can either shoot or playmake while usually playing good defense. He does neither of the 3.

At this point Mitch is a better player than Bagley.

Never said he’s a star? Lol

Bagley can put the ball on the floor, has post moves, incredible 2nd jump, elite athleticism. His jumper is a work in progress but he has good form. Also I’m not sure if you’re aware, but Bagley was injured the majority of this season. He was basically playing hurt.

Mitch isn’t even better than Randle, so he’s definitely not better than Bagley. Maybe defensively but that’s it.

I’ll take this guy over Tristan Thompson 2.0

Watch on YouTube

[3toheadmelo]

On Frank Ntilikina being a defensive wiz...

Out of the 205 players in the NBA that has played more than 40 games this season and who averaged more than 20 minutes a game Frank Ntilkina currently ranks 95 in terms of Defensive Rating (Giannis is no.1), 148 in terms of Defensive Win Shares Per Game (Giannis also is no.1 here) and 23 in steal percentage (Dejuante Murray is no.1). Other than steal percentage, I'm not sure that the notion that Frank Ntilikina is an elite defensive player is necessarily true. He may be one of the best defenders on the Knicks (he's tops on the Knicks in Defensive Rating and 4th in Defensive Win Shares per game) but I think we may be looking at this through some sort of jaded lenses here. Bit of that reverse grass is greener perspective here maybe? Guys trying to talk themselves into something more than it is?

Given that I'm a big Frank supporter, I'd be curious to know what is the rank by the youngest in that defensive rating list.

Also it's funny that James "Big D" Harden is ranked at a guady 43, slightly ahead of Kristaps Porzingis who is ranked 55 in defensive win/shares. Would that be accurate in your opinion?

lets just boil this down to simplest simplest terms.


Player A

offensive win shares = -4.0
defensive win shares = +2.0

net -2

Player B

ows = +4.0
dws= -2.0

net +2


that's what arguing about frank is. He's a bench player whose ok to see 15-20mpg tops because you need to score in this league. His defense is nice, but he's still likely a net negative on the floor in terms of actual win contribution.

Basically a poor mans Kris Dunn

[mpharris36]

He has more potential than Haliburton and Hayes. Those are the players in our range. Therefore, I rather have Bagley

I don't know what you watched over his first two years to think Bagley is a "star". He's a good young players that can finish around the basket and rebound.

He doesn't really protect the paint, is overall a poor defender, and he hasn't proved to have a consistent NBA shot.

He is a really good athlete though but I don't know why he can be a "star" when others can't. Especially when so far he is lacking key important skills that star players have.

Most stars can either shoot or playmake while usually playing good defense. He does neither of the 3.

At this point Mitch is a better player than Bagley.

Never said he’s a star? Lol

Bagley can put the ball on the floor, has post moves, incredible 2nd jump, elite athleticism. His jumper is a work in progress but he has good form. Also I’m not sure if you’re aware, but Bagley was injured the majority of this season. He was basically playing hurt.

Mitch isn’t even better than Randle, so he’s definitely not better than Bagley. Maybe defensively but that’s it.

I’ll take this guy over Tristan Thompson 2.0

Watch on YouTube

maybe???

[King of Canada]

I don't know what you watched over his first two years to think Bagley is a "star". He's a good young players that can finish around the basket and rebound.

He doesn't really protect the paint, is overall a poor defender, and he hasn't proved to have a consistent NBA shot.

He is a really good athlete though but I don't know why he can be a "star" when others can't. Especially when so far he is lacking key important skills that star players have.

Most stars can either shoot or playmake while usually playing good defense. He does neither of the 3.

At this point Mitch is a better player than Bagley.

Never said he’s a star? Lol

Bagley can put the ball on the floor, has post moves, incredible 2nd jump, elite athleticism. His jumper is a work in progress but he has good form. Also I’m not sure if you’re aware, but Bagley was injured the majority of this season. He was basically playing hurt.

Mitch isn’t even better than Randle, so he’s definitely not better than Bagley. Maybe defensively but that’s it.

I’ll take this guy over Tristan Thompson 2.0

Watch on YouTube

maybe???

Melo 100% trading his BAF pick for Bagley

[knickstape21]

If Haliburton can be like Lonzo. Thats better than Begley right now.

I also think hayes has high potential and thats assuming we don't move up.

Because LaMelo, Edwards, and even Wiseman have more potential than Bagley.

He has more potential than Haliburton and Hayes. Those are the players in our range. Therefore, I rather have Bagley

I don't know what you watched over his first two years to think Bagley is a "star". He's a good young players that can finish around the basket and rebound.

He doesn't really protect the paint, is overall a poor defender, and he hasn't proved to have a consistent NBA shot.

He is a really good athlete though but I don't know why he can be a "star" when others can't. Especially when so far he is lacking key important skills that star players have.

Most stars can either shoot or playmake while usually playing good defense. He does neither of the 3.

At this point Mitch is a better player than Bagley.

Taking Robinson over Bagley 10/10 times. Incredibly more impactful.

Do NOT want Bagley to be one of my high volume players.

[mpharris36]

He has more potential than Haliburton and Hayes. Those are the players in our range. Therefore, I rather have Bagley

I don't know what you watched over his first two years to think Bagley is a "star". He's a good young players that can finish around the basket and rebound.

He doesn't really protect the paint, is overall a poor defender, and he hasn't proved to have a consistent NBA shot.

He is a really good athlete though but I don't know why he can be a "star" when others can't. Especially when so far he is lacking key important skills that star players have.

Most stars can either shoot or playmake while usually playing good defense. He does neither of the 3.

At this point Mitch is a better player than Bagley.

Taking Robinson over Bagley 10/10 times. Incredibly more impactful.

Do NOT want Bagley to be one of my high volume players.

and then in a year he might want a near max rookie extension...thats going to be a no from me

[3toheadmelo]

Never said he’s a star? Lol

Bagley can put the ball on the floor, has post moves, incredible 2nd jump, elite athleticism. His jumper is a work in progress but he has good form. Also I’m not sure if you’re aware, but Bagley was injured the majority of this season. He was basically playing hurt.

Mitch isn’t even better than Randle, so he’s definitely not better than Bagley. Maybe defensively but that’s it.

I’ll take this guy over Tristan Thompson 2.0

Watch on YouTube

maybe???

Melo 100% trading his BAF pick for Bagley

Why would I do that

[mpharris36]

maybe???

Melo 100% trading his BAF pick for Bagley

Why would I do that

[King of Canada]

Melo 100% trading his BAF pick for Bagley

Why would I do that

Just thought it was a funny coincidence that the BAF Cavs and IRL Knicks could be picking in similar spots.

Melo - if you need to open up space to sign
Your pick hit me up. Bam a Pacer?

[3toheadmelo]

Melo 100% trading his BAF pick for Bagley

Why would I do that

Randle and Bagley T. rex twin towers off my bench

[3toheadmelo]

Why would I do that

Just thought it was a funny coincidence that the BAF Cavs and IRL Knicks could be picking in similar spots.

Melo - if you need to open up space to sign
Your pick hit me up. Bam a Pacer?

Sure just give me Zion and he’s all yours