OT: Cops kill George Floyd

[thebuzzardman]

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I was on the phone with my brother and I said "It might be good someone who represents state power to take an action that might help to calm the protests before it gets out of hand".

No, this isn't some white guy thing saying people can't protest. It was more an observation, and it was in the context of, the state is always going to assert it's right to law and order; it has to, to some degree, to maintain legitimacy.

Please don't misunderstand. They can only do it correctly in the context of acknowledging the wrongs, starting the dialogue that will effect real change. Otherwise, the attempt to maintain legitimacy will not be seen as legitimate.

Also, the context of the conversation was him expressing concern that the whole situation could go really bad, and all this was in the context of a greater conversation about Trump providing no leadership, and what he did provide was fanning the flames and amping police aggression.

So, I said "It might be good someone who represents state power to take an action that might help to calm the protests before it gets out of hand. Since it won't be the federal government, and while the protests are about national issues, maybe Minny can put the other cops up on murder charges as a first step in showing the nation that they take this issue seriously, and maybe it can be a first step towards dealing with the issues and help take the protests down a notch."

And then come over to here and see this happened 12 minutes ago.

Good to see. A first step.

[thebuzzardman]

In general, expect any number of false flag operations to occur between now and November, because all Trump has got left is pushing the meme of domestic terrorism committed by left of center factions.

The other thing to be concerned about is post-election violence. When Trump loses, he will try to overturn the results and when that fails he will try to incite a rebellion. He knows NYS has a grand jury ready to indict and even arrest him so he will be going from Pennsylvania Avenue to a court room.

Once the more extreme locked and loaded MAGA heads come to terms with the reality their Fourth Reich is going down in flames some of them may go Jihadi on the rest of us. I expect the transition period between the election and the inauguration will be very dangerous as long as a vanquished Trump is fuming in the WH for another 10 weeks.

Trump is not going quietly. At all.

The "best" case scenario is him being a permanent presence on OAN and never shutting the f*ck up. And I don't think that is good or healthy at all. So, I'll leave it you everyone's imagination what I think his worst case or even middling (for him) scenario is.

[Capn'O]

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I was on the phone with my brother and I said "It might be good someone who represents state power to take an action that might help to calm the protests before it gets out of hand".

No, this isn't some white guy thing saying people can't protest. It was more an observation, and it was in the context of, the state is always going to assert it's right to law and order; it has to, to some degree, to maintain legitimacy.

Please don't misunderstand. They can only do it correctly in the context of acknowledging the wrongs, starting the dialogue that will effect real change. Otherwise, the attempt to maintain legitimacy will not be seen as legitimate.

Also, the context of the conversation was him expressing concern that the whole situation could go really bad, and all this was in the context of a greater conversation about Trump providing no leadership, and what he did provide was fanning the flames and amping police aggression.

So, I said "It might be good someone who represents state power to take an action that might help to calm the protests before it gets out of hand. Since it won't be the federal government, and while the protests are about national issues, maybe Minny can put the other cops up on murder charges as a first step in showing the nation that they take this issue seriously, and maybe it can be a first step towards dealing with the issues and help take the protests down a notch."

And then come over to here and see this happened 12 minutes ago.

Good to see. A first step.

My wife and I were talking about this too. We may have reached the horse trading phase relatively early between cities and protesters. There are the chiefs standing with protesters and also stuff like this:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/01/us/politics/police-military-gear.html

WASHINGTON — Republicans and Democrats in Congress have begun a new push to shut down a Pentagon program that transfers military weaponry to local law enforcement departments, as bipartisan urgency builds to address the excessive use of force and the killings of unarmed black Americans by the police.

With protests turning violent across the country, lawmakers are scrutinizing the Defense Department initiative — curtailed by former President Barack Obama but revived by President Trump — that furnishes police departments with equipment such as bayonets and grenade launchers. The move comes after several nights when officers wearing riot gear have been documented using pepper spray and rubber bullets on protesters, bystanders and journalists, often without warning or seemingly unprovoked.

[Kampuchea]

In general, expect any number of false flag operations to occur between now and November, because all Trump has got left is pushing the meme of domestic terrorism committed by left of center factions.

The other thing to be concerned about is post-election violence. When Trump loses, he will try to overturn the results and when that fails he will try to incite a rebellion. He knows NYS has a grand jury ready to indict and even arrest him so he will be going from Pennsylvania Avenue to a court room.

Once the more extreme locked and loaded MAGA heads come to terms with the reality their Fourth Reich is going down in flames some of them may go Jihadi on the rest of us. I expect the transition period between the election and the inauguration will be very dangerous as long as a vanquished Trump is fuming in the WH for another 10 weeks.

Unfortunately, Biden is just another corrupt do-nothing who is not worthy of a vote.

People really need to support one of the minor parties and help us be heard instead of supporting either of the snakes.

[Kampuchea]

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How can it be real? No way they would hire a nazi, especially with highly visible tattoos?

That's crazy if true

[Clyde_Style]

In general, expect any number of false flag operations to occur between now and November, because all Trump has got left is pushing the meme of domestic terrorism committed by left of center factions.

The other thing to be concerned about is post-election violence. When Trump loses, he will try to overturn the results and when that fails he will try to incite a rebellion. He knows NYS has a grand jury ready to indict and even arrest him so he will be going from Pennsylvania Avenue to a court room.

Once the more extreme locked and loaded MAGA heads come to terms with the reality their Fourth Reich is going down in flames some of them may go Jihadi on the rest of us. I expect the transition period between the election and the inauguration will be very dangerous as long as a vanquished Trump is fuming in the WH for another 10 weeks.

Unfortunately, Biden is just another corrupt do-nothing who is not worthy of a vote.

People really need to support one of the minor parties and help us be heard instead of supporting either of the snakes.

Fascinating

[Clyde_Style]

In general, expect any number of false flag operations to occur between now and November, because all Trump has got left is pushing the meme of domestic terrorism committed by left of center factions.

The other thing to be concerned about is post-election violence. When Trump loses, he will try to overturn the results and when that fails he will try to incite a rebellion. He knows NYS has a grand jury ready to indict and even arrest him so he will be going from Pennsylvania Avenue to a court room.

Once the more extreme locked and loaded MAGA heads come to terms with the reality their Fourth Reich is going down in flames some of them may go Jihadi on the rest of us. I expect the transition period between the election and the inauguration will be very dangerous as long as a vanquished Trump is fuming in the WH for another 10 weeks.

Trump is not going quietly. At all.

The "best" case scenario is him being a permanent presence on OAN and never shutting the f*ck up. And I don't think that is good or healthy at all. So, I'll leave it you everyone's imagination what I think his worst case or even middling (for him) scenario is.

Do they have community access TV in prison?

[thebuzzardman]

In general, expect any number of false flag operations to occur between now and November, because all Trump has got left is pushing the meme of domestic terrorism committed by left of center factions.

The other thing to be concerned about is post-election violence. When Trump loses, he will try to overturn the results and when that fails he will try to incite a rebellion. He knows NYS has a grand jury ready to indict and even arrest him so he will be going from Pennsylvania Avenue to a court room.

Once the more extreme locked and loaded MAGA heads come to terms with the reality their Fourth Reich is going down in flames some of them may go Jihadi on the rest of us. I expect the transition period between the election and the inauguration will be very dangerous as long as a vanquished Trump is fuming in the WH for another 10 weeks.

Unfortunately, Biden is just another corrupt do-nothing who is not worthy of a vote.

People really need to support one of the minor parties and help us be heard instead of supporting either of the snakes.

Enough people think like this and you get 4 more years of Trump. In this SPECIFIC presidential election

[thebuzzardman]

In general, expect any number of false flag operations to occur between now and November, because all Trump has got left is pushing the meme of domestic terrorism committed by left of center factions.

The other thing to be concerned about is post-election violence. When Trump loses, he will try to overturn the results and when that fails he will try to incite a rebellion. He knows NYS has a grand jury ready to indict and even arrest him so he will be going from Pennsylvania Avenue to a court room.

Once the more extreme locked and loaded MAGA heads come to terms with the reality their Fourth Reich is going down in flames some of them may go Jihadi on the rest of us. I expect the transition period between the election and the inauguration will be very dangerous as long as a vanquished Trump is fuming in the WH for another 10 weeks.

Trump is not going quietly. At all.

The "best" case scenario is him being a permanent presence on OAN and never shutting the f*ck up. And I don't think that is good or healthy at all. So, I'll leave it you everyone's imagination what I think his worst case or even middling (for him) scenario is.

Do they have community access TV in prison?

Orange Is The New Orange

[Kampuchea]

In general, expect any number of false flag operations to occur between now and November, because all Trump has got left is pushing the meme of domestic terrorism committed by left of center factions.

The other thing to be concerned about is post-election violence. When Trump loses, he will try to overturn the results and when that fails he will try to incite a rebellion. He knows NYS has a grand jury ready to indict and even arrest him so he will be going from Pennsylvania Avenue to a court room.

Once the more extreme locked and loaded MAGA heads come to terms with the reality their Fourth Reich is going down in flames some of them may go Jihadi on the rest of us. I expect the transition period between the election and the inauguration will be very dangerous as long as a vanquished Trump is fuming in the WH for another 10 weeks.

Unfortunately, Biden is just another corrupt do-nothing who is not worthy of a vote.

People really need to support one of the minor parties and help us be heard instead of supporting either of the snakes.

You're not very bright

[Clyde_Style]

Trump is not going quietly. At all.

The "best" case scenario is him being a permanent presence on OAN and never shutting the f*ck up. And I don't think that is good or healthy at all. So, I'll leave it you everyone's imagination what I think his worst case or even middling (for him) scenario is.

Do they have community access TV in prison?

Orange Is The New Orange

[robillionaire]

In general, expect any number of false flag operations to occur between now and November, because all Trump has got left is pushing the meme of domestic terrorism committed by left of center factions.

The other thing to be concerned about is post-election violence. When Trump loses, he will try to overturn the results and when that fails he will try to incite a rebellion. He knows NYS has a grand jury ready to indict and even arrest him so he will be going from Pennsylvania Avenue to a court room.

Once the more extreme locked and loaded MAGA heads come to terms with the reality their Fourth Reich is going down in flames some of them may go Jihadi on the rest of us. I expect the transition period between the election and the inauguration will be very dangerous as long as a vanquished Trump is fuming in the WH for another 10 weeks.

Unfortunately, Biden is just another corrupt do-nothing who is not worthy of a vote.

People really need to support one of the minor parties and help us be heard instead of supporting either of the snakes.

You're not very bright

I actually agree with him and I’m in NY and voting 3rd Party. I don’t support Biden or anything he stands for. But recent events have proven that Trump is in fact a dire threat to humanity that needs to be removed. So I won’t even question or shame anyone that votes for Biden. And if I lived in a swing state I would have to consider voting for him. Not because I like anything about him or think much will change for the better, in fact I would oppose him from day 1 of taking office, but because Trump is on another level of evil to where even I can’t pretend they’re exactly the same anymore. And yes it is fascism. If it’s illegal for me to call it that now so be it. Turning the military on his own people, attacking those peaceful protesters with brute force so he could get his bible photo op, if that doesn’t terrify you you are in a deep denial of where we are heading. His supporters are all for that and I don’t expect them to care but they have to be stopped. The entire world is looking at us in horror and we are still in denial.

[Kampuchea]

In general, expect any number of false flag operations to occur between now and November, because all Trump has got left is pushing the meme of domestic terrorism committed by left of center factions.

The other thing to be concerned about is post-election violence. When Trump loses, he will try to overturn the results and when that fails he will try to incite a rebellion. He knows NYS has a grand jury ready to indict and even arrest him so he will be going from Pennsylvania Avenue to a court room.

Once the more extreme locked and loaded MAGA heads come to terms with the reality their Fourth Reich is going down in flames some of them may go Jihadi on the rest of us. I expect the transition period between the election and the inauguration will be very dangerous as long as a vanquished Trump is fuming in the WH for another 10 weeks.

Unfortunately, Biden is just another corrupt do-nothing who is not worthy of a vote.

People really need to support one of the minor parties and help us be heard instead of supporting either of the snakes.

Enough people think like this and you get 4 more years of Trump. In this SPECIFIC presidential election

It has been a conflict for me. Trump is despicable while Biden is just corrupt, he is definitely less hate-worth than Trump. It is so difficult to throw support behind Biden, I could barely stomach voting for Hillary but I was able to force myself to do it.

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Found this

https://www.phillyvoice.com/former-philly-cop-nazi-tattoo-ian-hans-lichterman-navy-yard-police/

[Clyde_Style]

Unfortunately, Biden is just another corrupt do-nothing who is not worthy of a vote.

People really need to support one of the minor parties and help us be heard instead of supporting either of the snakes.

You're not very bright

I actually agree with him and I’m in NY and voting 3rd Party. I don’t support Biden or anything he stands for. But recent events have proven that Trump is in fact a dire threat to humanity that needs to be removed. So I won’t even question or shame anyone that votes for Biden. And if I lived in a swing state I would have to consider voting for him. Not because I like anything about him or think much will change for the better, in fact I would oppose him from day 1 of taking office, but because Trump is on another level of evil to where even I can’t pretend they’re exactly the same anymore. And yes it is fascism. If it’s illegal for me to call it that now so be it. Turning the military on his own people, attacking those peaceful protesters with brute force so he could get his bible photo op, if that doesn’t terrify you you are in a deep denial of where we are heading. His supporters are all for that and I don’t expect them to care but they have to be stopped. The entire world is looking at us in horror and we are still in denial.

I'll let Buzz handle this one

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[thebuzzardman]

Unfortunately, Biden is just another corrupt do-nothing who is not worthy of a vote.

People really need to support one of the minor parties and help us be heard instead of supporting either of the snakes.

You're not very bright

I actually agree with him and I’m in NY and voting 3rd Party. I don’t support Biden or anything he stands for. But recent events have proven that Trump is in fact a dire threat to humanity that needs to be removed. So I won’t even question or shame anyone that votes for Biden. And if I lived in a swing state I would have to consider voting for him. Not because I like anything about him or think much will change for the better, in fact I would oppose him from day 1 of taking office, but because Trump is on another level of evil to where even I can’t pretend they’re exactly the same anymore. And yes it is fascism. If it’s illegal for me to call it that now so be it. Turning the military on his own people, attacking those peaceful protesters with brute force so he could get his bible photo op, if that doesn’t terrify you you are in a deep denial of where we are heading. His supporters are all for that and I don’t expect them to care but they have to be stopped.

If you are in a solid blue state, then cast that protest vote. And I mean, like Cali or NY blue. Other than that, in THIS VERY SPECIFIC INSTANCE, I think it's a bad stance.

Sure, Biden is too close to being a neoliberal blah blah blah, etc etc. (true enough, not disagreeing)

I don't care. Trump with a referendum that he was re-elected, and with no re-election to worry about inhibiting him in the slighest? That is an absolutely terrifying prospect.

I'm going to get Biden in, because that's how our non-Parliamentary system works right now.
Will I vote for progressives every chance I get "downticket" ? Yes
Will I vote for more progressive candidates in the next primary in 4 years and/or back a 3rd party candidate for president in 4 years? Sure.
But not now, and not if I live in a state that might even remotely go Trump. I live in Virginia now, and it's mostly gone blue, but it's more purple and I'm personally not chancing it.

[thebuzzardman]

Unfortunately, Biden is just another corrupt do-nothing who is not worthy of a vote.

People really need to support one of the minor parties and help us be heard instead of supporting either of the snakes.

Enough people think like this and you get 4 more years of Trump. In this SPECIFIC presidential election

It has been a conflict for me. Trump is despicable while Biden is just corrupt, he is definitely less hate-worth than Trump. It is so difficult to throw support behind Biden, I could barely stomach voting for Hillary but I was able to force myself to do it.

Please choke down the awful medicine one more time for Biden. He's not ideal, we are in agreement.

He might not even live out the term. 4 years will go quick. Fill congress with a progressive coalition.

Considering it like a Knicks rebuild. Ok, maybe don't do that.

My point on the rebuild, is don't go "all in, solve it all at once" in this "FA period".

Get the incremental improvement and build from there. Take that 3 year rebuild (that next congressional election)

That's my take.

[thebuzzardman]

I don't want to turn this into democratic spectrum politics.

Last comment. Not only do I not want to risk 4 more years of Trump, but think of 4 more years of Billy Barr living out his Unitary Executive wet dreams.

Yeah, I'm not risking that in the slightest.
Would make this last year look like the f*cking Summer League vs mid season NBA action.