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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 5) 

Post#621 » by DOT » Wed Jun 3, 2020 11:06 pm

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Finish the scenario, the Knicks panic and draft Precious Achiuwa......


everyone upset except for Melo :lol:

Hell ya let me get a 6'9 forward with a 7-2 wingspan, 9.15 standing reach. Elite physical tools. Can put the ball on the floor, create his shot, can defend 1-5, above average athletcism, strong rebounder, showed flashes of being a shooter, and is only 20 yrs old. Tons of upside
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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 5) 

Post#622 » by HarthorneWingo » Wed Jun 3, 2020 11:08 pm

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curious and would like to get your thoughts.

You are high on Edwards (which I am as well).

And you are down on both LaMelo and Hayes (mostly because both are suspect shooters). Edwards was just as bad but do you think his shot is less broken because it looks better even though the results were similar to the other 2.

You seem to be very PRO shooting. And Edwards kinda dissappointed in that area as well but still love him as a prospect.


Edwards didn't shoot nearly as good percentage wise as I hoped he would but at the end of the day he still averages 2.3 makes per game in just under 8 attempts a game. 29% isn't that good but it's not terrible considering his high volume. In 32 games as a freshman he still made a ridiculous amount of outside shots at 72 total. I don't think Ball and Hayes have 72 threes combined. The mechanics on his shot are so nice too, so effortless and he's got plenty of range on it too. Yeah sure he took some "bad shots" and whatever but Lamelo isn't free from that either, he's taken plenty of questionable shots himself, but here's another difference, Edwards went to the line a lot too. 5.3 free throw attempts per game and a solid 77% at the line shows when he wasn't shooting from outside he was attacking inside and that's just what you want him to do. 171 free throw attempts and 132 makes is good, really good especially for somebody that young. Ball and Hayes barely combined together for just over 6 free throws a game. All things considered, the kid has potential to be a scoring machine in the league, he's got some of the best separation dribbles in the entire draft. Keep in mind he's also the youngest at 18. This is why he's my clear cut number 1 pick!


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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 5) 

Post#623 » by DOT » Wed Jun 3, 2020 11:09 pm

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curious and would like to get your thoughts.

You are high on Edwards (which I am as well).

And you are down on both LaMelo and Hayes (mostly because both are suspect shooters). Edwards was just as bad but do you think his shot is less broken because it looks better even though the results were similar to the other 2.

You seem to be very PRO shooting. And Edwards kinda dissappointed in that area as well but still love him as a prospect.


Edwards didn't shoot nearly as good percentage wise as I hoped he would but at the end of the day he still averages 2.3 makes per game in just under 8 attempts a game. 29% isn't that good but it's not terrible considering his high volume. In 32 games as a freshman he still made a ridiculous amount of outside shots at 72 total. I don't think Ball and Hayes have 72 threes combined. The mechanics on his shot are so nice too, so effortless and he's got plenty of range on it too. Yeah sure he took some "bad shots" and whatever but Lamelo isn't free from that either, he's taken plenty of questionable shots himself, but here's another difference, Edwards went to the line a lot too. 5.3 free throw attempts per game and a solid 77% at the line shows when he wasn't shooting from outside he was attacking inside and that's just what you want him to do. 171 free throw attempts and 132 makes is good, really good especially for somebody that young. Ball and Hayes barely combined together for just over 6 free throws a game. All things considered, the kid has potential to be a scoring machine in the league, he's got some of the best separation dribbles in the entire draft. Keep in mind he's also the youngest at 18. This is why he's my clear cut number 1 pick!

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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 5) 

Post#624 » by mpharris36 » Wed Jun 3, 2020 11:12 pm

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everyone upset except for Melo :lol:

Hell ya let me get a 6'9 forward with a 7-2 wingspan, 9.15 standing reach. Elite physical tools. Can put the ball on the floor, create his shot, can defend 1-5, above average athletcism, strong rebounder, showed flashes of being a shooter, and is only 20 yrs old. Tons of upside
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will he get to 12? hmmmm
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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 5) 

Post#625 » by robillionaire » Wed Jun 3, 2020 11:13 pm

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curious and would like to get your thoughts.

You are high on Edwards (which I am as well).

And you are down on both LaMelo and Hayes (mostly because both are suspect shooters). Edwards was just as bad but do you think his shot is less broken because it looks better even though the results were similar to the other 2.

You seem to be very PRO shooting. And Edwards kinda dissappointed in that area as well but still love him as a prospect.


Edwards didn't shoot nearly as good percentage wise as I hoped he would but at the end of the day he still averages 2.3 makes per game in just under 8 attempts a game. 29% isn't that good but it's not terrible considering his high volume. In 32 games as a freshman he still made a ridiculous amount of outside shots at 72 total. I don't think Ball and Hayes have 72 threes combined. The mechanics on his shot are so nice too, so effortless and he's got plenty of range on it too. Yeah sure he took some "bad shots" and whatever but Lamelo isn't free from that either, he's taken plenty of questionable shots himself, but here's another difference, Edwards went to the line a lot too. 5.3 free throw attempts per game and a solid 77% at the line shows when he wasn't shooting from outside he was attacking inside and that's just what you want him to do. 171 free throw attempts and 132 makes is good, really good especially for somebody that young. Ball and Hayes barely combined together for just over 6 free throws a game. All things considered, the kid has potential to be a scoring machine in the league, he's got some of the best separation dribbles in the entire draft. Keep in mind he's also the youngest at 18. This is why he's my clear cut number 1 pick!


he doesn't play the same position as them though and had a crazy high usage rate, will he still be able do do that without the ball in his hands is the question
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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 5) 

Post#626 » by DOT » Wed Jun 3, 2020 11:13 pm

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3toheadmelo wrote:Hell ya let me get a 6'9 forward with a 7-2 wingspan, 9.15 standing reach. Elite physical tools. Can put the ball on the floor, create his shot, can defend 1-5, above average athletcism, strong rebounder, showed flashes of being a shooter, and is only 20 yrs old. Tons of upside
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Perfect compliment for Wiseman in BAF tbh


will he get to 12? hmmmm

Way the mocks are, I might take him at #1 and let Wiseman fall to 12
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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 5) 

Post#627 » by 3toheadmelo » Wed Jun 3, 2020 11:13 pm

K-DOT wrote:
3toheadmelo wrote:
mpharris36 wrote:
everyone upset except for Melo :lol:

Hell ya let me get a 6'9 forward with a 7-2 wingspan, 9.15 standing reach. Elite physical tools. Can put the ball on the floor, create his shot, can defend 1-5, above average athletcism, strong rebounder, showed flashes of being a shooter, and is only 20 yrs old. Tons of upside
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Perfect compliment for Wiseman in BAF tbh

Or Ayton and Bam... hmmm
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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 5) 

Post#628 » by DOT » Wed Jun 3, 2020 11:15 pm

3toheadmelo wrote:
K-DOT wrote:
3toheadmelo wrote:Hell ya let me get a 6'9 forward with a 7-2 wingspan, 9.15 standing reach. Elite physical tools. Can put the ball on the floor, create his shot, can defend 1-5, above average athletcism, strong rebounder, showed flashes of being a shooter, and is only 20 yrs old. Tons of upside
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Perfect compliment for Wiseman in BAF tbh

Or Ayton and Bam... hmmm

Would Bam or Achiuwa be the PG in this scenario?
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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 5) 

Post#629 » by mpharris36 » Wed Jun 3, 2020 11:16 pm

3toheadmelo wrote:
K-DOT wrote:
3toheadmelo wrote:Hell ya let me get a 6'9 forward with a 7-2 wingspan, 9.15 standing reach. Elite physical tools. Can put the ball on the floor, create his shot, can defend 1-5, above average athletcism, strong rebounder, showed flashes of being a shooter, and is only 20 yrs old. Tons of upside
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Perfect compliment for Wiseman in BAF tbh

Or Ayton and Bam... hmmm


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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 5) 

Post#630 » by HEZI » Wed Jun 3, 2020 11:18 pm

robillionaire wrote:
HEZI wrote:
mpharris36 wrote:
curious and would like to get your thoughts.

You are high on Edwards (which I am as well).

And you are down on both LaMelo and Hayes (mostly because both are suspect shooters). Edwards was just as bad but do you think his shot is less broken because it looks better even though the results were similar to the other 2.

You seem to be very PRO shooting. And Edwards kinda dissappointed in that area as well but still love him as a prospect.


Edwards didn't shoot nearly as good percentage wise as I hoped he would but at the end of the day he still averages 2.3 makes per game in just under 8 attempts a game. 29% isn't that good but it's not terrible considering his high volume. In 32 games as a freshman he still made a ridiculous amount of outside shots at 72 total. I don't think Ball and Hayes have 72 threes combined. The mechanics on his shot are so nice too, so effortless and he's got plenty of range on it too. Yeah sure he took some "bad shots" and whatever but Lamelo isn't free from that either, he's taken plenty of questionable shots himself, but here's another difference, Edwards went to the line a lot too. 5.3 free throw attempts per game and a solid 77% at the line shows when he wasn't shooting from outside he was attacking inside and that's just what you want him to do. 171 free throw attempts and 132 makes is good, really good especially for somebody that young. Ball and Hayes barely combined together for just over 6 free throws a game. All things considered, the kid has potential to be a scoring machine in the league, he's got some of the best separation dribbles in the entire draft. Keep in mind he's also the youngest at 18. This is why he's my clear cut number 1 pick!


he doesn't play the same position as them though and had a crazy high usage rate, will he still be able do do that without the ball in his hands is the question


Why wouldn't the ball be in his hands?

Just some piece of info but he had a better freshman year than Donovan Mitchell did as a sophomore and their skills and tools are really similar.
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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 5) 

Post#631 » by 3toheadmelo » Wed Jun 3, 2020 11:20 pm

K-DOT wrote:
3toheadmelo wrote:
K-DOT wrote:Perfect compliment for Wiseman in BAF tbh

Or Ayton and Bam... hmmm

Would Bam or Achiuwa be the PG in this scenario?

Neither :devil:
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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 5) 

Post#632 » by robillionaire » Wed Jun 3, 2020 11:20 pm

HEZI wrote:
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Edwards didn't shoot nearly as good percentage wise as I hoped he would but at the end of the day he still averages 2.3 makes per game in just under 8 attempts a game. 29% isn't that good but it's not terrible considering his high volume. In 32 games as a freshman he still made a ridiculous amount of outside shots at 72 total. I don't think Ball and Hayes have 72 threes combined. The mechanics on his shot are so nice too, so effortless and he's got plenty of range on it too. Yeah sure he took some "bad shots" and whatever but Lamelo isn't free from that either, he's taken plenty of questionable shots himself, but here's another difference, Edwards went to the line a lot too. 5.3 free throw attempts per game and a solid 77% at the line shows when he wasn't shooting from outside he was attacking inside and that's just what you want him to do. 171 free throw attempts and 132 makes is good, really good especially for somebody that young. Ball and Hayes barely combined together for just over 6 free throws a game. All things considered, the kid has potential to be a scoring machine in the league, he's got some of the best separation dribbles in the entire draft. Keep in mind he's also the youngest at 18. This is why he's my clear cut number 1 pick!


he doesn't play the same position as them though and had a crazy high usage rate, will he still be able do do that without the ball in his hands is the question


Why wouldn't the ball be in his hands?

Just some piece of info but he had a better freshman year than Donovan Mitchell did as a sophomore and their skills and tools are really similar.


he's still my #2 pick so i don't need to be sold on him really but he's not a PG and as a rookie I doubt whoever drafts him is going to let him just completely take over and chuck like he did at georgia, he will have to earn that confidence first so his accuracy will hopefully improve
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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 5) 

Post#633 » by 3toheadmelo » Wed Jun 3, 2020 11:22 pm

mpharris36 wrote:
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K-DOT wrote:Perfect compliment for Wiseman in BAF tbh

Or Ayton and Bam... hmmm


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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 5) 

Post#634 » by DOT » Wed Jun 3, 2020 11:23 pm

3toheadmelo wrote:
K-DOT wrote:
3toheadmelo wrote:Or Ayton and Bam... hmmm

Would Bam or Achiuwa be the PG in this scenario?

Neither :devil:

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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 5) 

Post#635 » by mpharris36 » Wed Jun 3, 2020 11:25 pm

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mpharris36 wrote:
3toheadmelo wrote:Or Ayton and Bam... hmmm


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Achiuwa/Tatum/Bam/Ayton on defense hmmm


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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 5) 

Post#636 » by DOT » Wed Jun 3, 2020 11:26 pm

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HEZI wrote:
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he doesn't play the same position as them though and had a crazy high usage rate, will he still be able do do that without the ball in his hands is the question


Why wouldn't the ball be in his hands?

Just some piece of info but he had a better freshman year than Donovan Mitchell did as a sophomore and their skills and tools are really similar.


he's still my #2 pick so i don't need to be sold on him really but he's not a PG and as a rookie I doubt whoever drafts him is going to let him just completely take over and chuck like he did at georgia, he will have to earn that confidence first so his accuracy will hopefully improve

My thing with him is, he's definitely gonna need time to develop, so I think it's less likely he reaches his ceiling than Wiseman, but if he does reach Mitchell level, he's probably better than Wiseman

Like, I'd rather have Mitchell than KAT, which is their theoretical ceilings imo. I don't think anyone else is really in contention for #1 for me, and Edwards just didn't do enough to unseat Wiseman in my eyes
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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 5) 

Post#637 » by HEZI » Wed Jun 3, 2020 11:28 pm

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HEZI wrote:
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he doesn't play the same position as them though and had a crazy high usage rate, will he still be able do do that without the ball in his hands is the question


Why wouldn't the ball be in his hands?

Just some piece of info but he had a better freshman year than Donovan Mitchell did as a sophomore and their skills and tools are really similar.


he's still my #2 pick so i don't need to be sold on him really but he's not a PG and as a rookie I doubt whoever drafts him is going to let him just completely take over and chuck like he did at georgia, he will have to earn that confidence first so his accuracy will hopefully improve


It really depends on where he lands. I think Atlanta has him as their main target and will probably trade up to get him if they have to. That backcourt would be real interesting
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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 5) 

Post#638 » by 3toheadmelo » Wed Jun 3, 2020 11:28 pm

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K-DOT wrote:Would Bam or Achiuwa be the PG in this scenario?

Neither :devil:

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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 5) 

Post#639 » by 3toheadmelo » Wed Jun 3, 2020 11:40 pm

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Achiuwa/Tatum/Bam/Ayton on defense hmmm


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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 5) 

Post#640 » by HEZI » Wed Jun 3, 2020 11:54 pm

K-DOT wrote:
robillionaire wrote:
HEZI wrote:
Why wouldn't the ball be in his hands?

Just some piece of info but he had a better freshman year than Donovan Mitchell did as a sophomore and their skills and tools are really similar.


he's still my #2 pick so i don't need to be sold on him really but he's not a PG and as a rookie I doubt whoever drafts him is going to let him just completely take over and chuck like he did at georgia, he will have to earn that confidence first so his accuracy will hopefully improve

My thing with him is, he's definitely gonna need time to develop, so I think it's less likely he reaches his ceiling than Wiseman, but if he does reach Mitchell level, he's probably better than Wiseman

Like, I'd rather have Mitchell than KAT, which is their theoretical ceilings imo. I don't think anyone else is really in contention for #1 for me, and Edwards just didn't do enough to unseat Wiseman in my eyes


Wiseman is going to need time also as he's nowhere near as polished offensively as some think. I do think he has a really high ceiling though and he's likely going to be a future All Star but it's going to take time for him as well. I don't think he's coming into the league and dominating.
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