Just Sad, "Chicago sees deadliest Memorial Day weekend in four years"

[Dresden]

You could certainly kill several. Much of the looting I've seen occurs when someone breaks a window, and a crowd of people rush in. If you are the store owner in the case, and you start shooting to defend your property, are you going to stop when you just hit one of them? Two of them? You certainly could shoot a handful of people if there are 10 of them rushing into your store. My point is, once you start with gun fire, are you ready for the consequences?

Well, after the 1st one, you would really hope that the rest would be smart enough to turn around and leave

Nah man. That's not how mob mentality works.

One down means they would charge the shooter. More will go down.

It would invite chaos, and if anyone among the looters had a gun, which is likely, you'd have a bloodbath.

[2018C3]

Maybe the classification of a felony needs to re-determined.

One thing that I do support is that anyone who has ever been convicted of a violent crime, should loose there vote for ever.

That's a dangerous path.

You're essentially telling a criminal that he or she is unfit for society. That's not the message we want to send out.

Theres already a massive economic and social penalty in going to prison.

My parents have a well documented white criminal that lives just a few doors down. he terrorizes the neighborhood. and puts it on watch. The guy has long record, and has been caught peeking in windows, and even entered a neighbors house. he also pulled his pickup on several lawns and tore them up while drunk driving. On top of this, in his past history he has has held up and robbed someone at gun point.

I say screw him, I don't want people like this representing the country.

To top it off, his girlfriend is nice lady, and makes her living by baby sitting other peoples children in the same house who "I Asume" do not know the record.

Guess what my parents asked me for last Christmas, "A Video Surveillance Ring System".

[Dominator83]

Well, after the 1st one, you would really hope that the rest would be smart enough to turn around and leave

Nah man. That's not how mob mentality works.

One down means they would charge the shooter. More will go down.

It would invite chaos, and if anyone among the looters had a gun, which is likely, you'd have a bloodbath.

Well, the Chaos invited itself.

I mentioned this 2 months ago in Covid threads. When this leads to people losing their businesses and jobs, were gonna see a big spike in suicides. There will be victims of this looting that are gonna be in the same boat

[Dominator83]

Maybe the classification of a felony needs to re-determined.

One thing that I do support is that anyone who has ever been convicted of a violent crime, should loose there vote for ever.

That's a dangerous path.

You're essentially telling a criminal that he or she is unfit for society. That's not the message we want to send out.

Theres already a massive economic and social penalty in going to prison.

My parents have a well documented white criminal that lives just a few doors down. he terrorizes the neighborhood. and puts it on watch. The guy has long record, and has been caught peeking in windows, and even entered a neighbors house. he also pulled his pickup on several lawns and tore them up while drunk driving. On top of this, in his past history he has has held up and robbed someone at gun point.

I say screw him, I don't want people like this representing the country.

To top it off, his girlfriend is nice lady, and makes her living by baby sitting other peoples children in the same house who "I Asume" do not know the record.

Guess what my parents asked me for last Christmas, "A video surveillance Ring System".

Yea me and you are alike there. I want all criminals wiped out. Whites are no exceptions. A danger to society is a danger to society. Why does color have to mean anything. To me there are only 2 kinds of people. Threats, and non-treats. Both come in all colors. I want to live in a world with nothing but non-threats. If in this twisted society that somehow makes me a bad guy, then I don't know what to say.

And that babysitter is an idiot for dating that scumbag BTW. Is she that nieve?

[dice]

Nah man. That's not how mob mentality works.

One down means they would charge the shooter. More will go down.

It would invite chaos, and if anyone among the looters had a gun, which is likely, you'd have a bloodbath.

Well, the Chaos invited itself.

I mentioned this 2 months ago in Covid threads. When this leads to people losing their businesses and jobs, were gonna see a big spike in suicides. There will be victims of this looting that are gonna be in the same boat

if so, it will be just one more example of why the system needs to change. universal, taxpayer funded health care, including mental health services, is such a no brainer

[2018C3]

He grew up in the neighborhood as me, but was much younger. I always knew he was but never communicated with hm due to the large age difference, He came back after he inherited the house, his girlfriend has a child with him.

His parents were older and his dad passed away when he was at a early age.

[GetBuLLish]

The rate you gave is for murders of black people by cops.

Now add in false imprisonment, bad traffic stops, illegal searches, illegal entry....and you will now start looking at a much larger percentage.

The point is NOT about murders.

Its about the abuse of law by people who are supposed to uphold the law.

And we havent even started talking about the judicial system. Let's not even go down that route. The number of black men and brown men and poor white men that have gone to jail just because the Public Defender was overworked and took the plea...you will never see these numbers.

It's all systemic rot.

The BLM movement is by and large based upon the lie that blacks are killed by cops at disproportionate rates than whites. The protests/riots we're seeing wouldn't be a 1/10th of what they are if everyone properly understood that there's no racial disparity in fatalities by cops.

I can post hundreds of videos, tweets, stories all promoting the lie. There's simply no denying that it's central to this "movement."

[2018C3]

The rate you gave is for murders of black people by cops.

Now add in false imprisonment, bad traffic stops, illegal searches, illegal entry....and you will now start looking at a much larger percentage.

The point is NOT about murders.

Its about the abuse of law by people who are supposed to uphold the law.

And we havent even started talking about the judicial system. Let's not even go down that route. The number of black men and brown men and poor white men that have gone to jail just because the Public Defender was overworked and took the plea...you will never see these numbers.

It's all systemic rot.

The BLM movement is by and large based upon the lie that blacks are killed by cops at disproportionate rates than whites. The protests/riots we're seeing wouldn't be a 1/10th of what they are if everyone properly understood that there's no racial disparity in fatalities by cops.

I can post hundreds of videos, tweets, stories all promoting the lie. There's simply no denying that it's central to this "movement."

I'm also white, but you are wrong, I typically side with police when doubt is in question. We see way more video evidence of cops killing black people unjustly than white people.

[2018C3]

Abuse goes both ways, and I posted his video a while back, but no one responded to it.

Watch on YouTube

For the most part we see much more abuse in the opposite direction.


to be honest the guy gets little sympathy from me. He did not initially follow orders, and could have easily avoided being shot. If was in his position, I would have walked away unharmed.

[GetBuLLish]

I'm also white, but you are wrong, I typically side with police when doubt is in question. We see way more video evidence of cops killing black people unjustly than white people.

Go read my earlier posts. You're wrong. And your post illustrates the cause of your faulty thinking.

[chitowndish]

I feel like we need to emphasize having police from the communities that they serve. It's like we have problems when the demographics don't match between who is doing the policing and who is being policed but I also think it's harder to treat people like crap when you know them and deal with them and have to live with them as neigbors. Maybe this isn't feasible in all cases as you could have areas where people don't want to be cops but I think it should be emphasized or at least rewarded.

I also agree that the code of silence and all of that is tough to break so you just overwhelm it. Go police state on the police, all of their cars should be GPS and controls tracked at all times, all police should be wired for audio and video that can't be defeated (maybe just when they leave their cars so they can still do whatever they do on the side of the road), their cars should record all traffic stops and this data should automatically go outside of the police department to be (random or target) audited. Don't give them the choice to hide things. My work (and I feel like most of corporate America) isn't much different they can basically track what you are doing on your computer all day and they randomly audit people that work production (claim processing) to ensure quality and use that data to target audit the people screwing up. Every cop should have their stops randomly audited and if they start screwing up you target audit until they correct or fire them.

[bullsnewdynasty]

Everyone should read this:

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/06/james-mattis-denounces-trump-protests-militarization/612640/?utm_source=msn

Whether you support Trump or, like me, hate him and everything he stands for, you should read it.

“Donald Trump is the first president in my lifetime who does not try to unite the American people—does not even pretend to try. Instead, he tries to divide us,” Mattis writes.

That's odd, I seem to remember a president who said this about the white working class:

"They get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."

Division started way before Trump. Obama was a terrible leader who inflamed racial tensions instead of unifying Americans.

[Dominator83]

I feel like we need to emphasize having police from the communities that they serve. It's like we have problems when the demographics don't match between who is doing the policing and who is being policed but I also think it's harder to treat people like crap when you know them and deal with them and have to live with them as neigbors. Maybe this isn't feasible in all cases as you could have areas where people don't want to be cops but I think it should be emphasized or at least rewarded.

I also agree that the code of silence and all of that is tough to break so you just overwhelm it. Go police state on the police, all of their cars should be GPS and controls tracked at all times, all police should be wired for audio and video that can't be defeated (maybe just when they leave their cars so they can still do whatever they do on the side of the road), their cars should record all traffic stops and this data should automatically go outside of the police department to be (random or target) audited. Don't give them the choice to hide things. My work (and I feel like most of corporate America) isn't much different they can basically track what you are doing on your computer all day and they randomly audit people that work production (claim processing) to ensure quality and use that data to target audit the people screwing up. Every cop should have their stops randomly audited and if they start screwing up you target audit until they correct or fire them.

Well if that becomes the case, I'm guessing they won't be allowed to cut us a break on traffic stops. Of course, in the suburbs they don't give breaks anyway. I got one, and that was after I was fully cooperative and I allowed him to search my car without any blowback. City, it's about 50/50 between pullovers that resulted in breaks or tickets.

[musiqsoulchild]

The rate you gave is for murders of black people by cops.

Now add in false imprisonment, bad traffic stops, illegal searches, illegal entry....and you will now start looking at a much larger percentage.

The point is NOT about murders.

Its about the abuse of law by people who are supposed to uphold the law.

And we havent even started talking about the judicial system. Let's not even go down that route. The number of black men and brown men and poor white men that have gone to jail just because the Public Defender was overworked and took the plea...you will never see these numbers.

It's all systemic rot.

The BLM movement is by and large based upon the lie that blacks are killed by cops at disproportionate rates than whites. The protests/riots we're seeing wouldn't be a 1/10th of what they are if everyone properly understood that there's no racial disparity in fatalities by cops.

I can post hundreds of videos, tweets, stories all promoting the lie. There's simply no denying that it's central to this "movement."

No. Just flat out no.

You are stating a lie for some reason.

Are only MURDERS to be considered? You just made that up.

Also, I dont care about the organization BLM. I care about the 3 english words: Black Lives Matter

[musiqsoulchild]

Everyone should read this:

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/06/james-mattis-denounces-trump-protests-militarization/612640/?utm_source=msn

Whether you support Trump or, like me, hate him and everything he stands for, you should read it.

“Donald Trump is the first president in my lifetime who does not try to unite the American people—does not even pretend to try. Instead, he tries to divide us,” Mattis writes.

That's odd, I seem to remember a president who said this about the white working class:

"They get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."

Division started way before Trump. Obama was a terrible leader who inflamed racial tensions instead of unifying Americans.

That was to a closed audience. And it was to people he was fund raising to.

Trump I bet behind close doors doesnt believe in anything. He says whatever is politically expedient.

[bullsnewdynasty]

probably 20% of black men in america have been to prison. nearly 10% of black men in their 30s are in prison at any given time

The numbers are far worse than you are suggesting. 1/3 of all black men have a felony conviction. This sticks for life and hampers future opportunities. To turn things around, people need to concentrate on ideas to prevent this statistic.

https://www.sentencingproject.org/news/5593/

Maybe they should stop committing crimes then.

Chicago is the most segregated city in America. I wonder why there's almost no white people on the South and West side. I know social media warriors would never set foot in Garfield Park or Englewood, let alone move there.

[dice]

The rate you gave is for murders of black people by cops.

Now add in false imprisonment, bad traffic stops, illegal searches, illegal entry....and you will now start looking at a much larger percentage.

The point is NOT about murders.

Its about the abuse of law by people who are supposed to uphold the law.

And we havent even started talking about the judicial system. Let's not even go down that route. The number of black men and brown men and poor white men that have gone to jail just because the Public Defender was overworked and took the plea...you will never see these numbers.

It's all systemic rot.

The BLM movement is by and large based upon the lie that blacks are killed by cops at disproportionate rates than whites.

nope. not why it was formed, doesn't even show up on their website

The protests/riots we're seeing wouldn't be a 1/10th of what they are if everyone properly understood that there's no racial disparity in fatalities by cops.

fake news

I can post hundreds of videos, tweets, stories all promoting the lie.

first of all, what the hell possesses you to scour the internet for this stuff? second of all, you can find hundreds of instances of misinformation about anything under the sun. there are BILLIONS of tweets alone floating around out there. thirdly, a lie requires intentional deception. fourthly, any claim that race does not play a factor in police shooting requires perfect data and inherently relies on assumptions. are there racist cops? of course there are. it only stands to reason that that would manifest itself in every element of interactions with the black community. all else being equal, is a white racist cop even slightly more likely to kill a black person than a white person? of course! that's just common sense. the only rational question is "how MUCH more likely are blacks to be killed by cops." if you find data that suggests no bias at all, you should question the validity of that data or the methodology used to reach the conclusion ("maybe it is ME who has been mislead"). we know for a fact that black people are killed at a much higher rate. your ASSUMPTION is that that is ENTIRELY due to the similarly higher interaction rates. a 100% correlation between number of interactions and number of deaths cannot possibly be known. maybe police interactions with black people are disproportionately for BS reasons (like, i dunno, a woman in a park calling 911 while pretending to be assaulted by a black man who is actually bird watching). ADDITIONALLY, government data is incomplete! we do not even have complete and accurate data on police killings!

https://www.hrw.org/news/2015/03/06/dispatches-us-needs-better-data-police-killings

regardless, your monomaniacal obsession with police killings is just a distraction. BLM serves a good purpose no matter the "kill rates." it was created in response to an event that had nothing to do with police (so no, misconceptions about "kill rates" are not rationally the primary driver of their appeal to supporters). their purpose is opposition to white supremacy and ALL violence directed toward the black community from ALL sources. they are inclusive. they engage peacefully. theirs is an undeniably worthwhile mission. any disproportionate media coverage doesn't change that. going out of one's way to dismiss their mission is deranged. it makes people roll their eyes and ask the question "what the hell is this guy's endgame?"

you don't want large numbers of black people protesting. about anything. it makes you uncomfortable. you think that their advancement is your decline. that is the toxic origin of your rage. you rail against perceived misconceptions, yet puke out preposterous statements like "everybody participating in the protests is doing so due to media manipulation." this has little to do with data purity or media biases. you just use that stuff to form some semblance of intellectual justification for your hatred. just admit it. if not to us, to yourself

[dice]

probably 20% of black men in america have been to prison. nearly 10% of black men in their 30s are in prison at any given time

The numbers are far worse than you are suggesting. 1/3 of all black men have a felony conviction. This sticks for life and hampers future opportunities. To turn things around, people need to concentrate on ideas to prevent this statistic.

https://www.sentencingproject.org/news/5593/

Maybe they should stop committing crimes then.

highly simple-minded response. it's common knowledge that black people, for example, are imprisoned on drug charges at a substantially higher rate than white people. there is systematic inequality in policing, legislatively, and in sentencing

Chicago is the most segregated city in America. I wonder why there's almost no white people on the South and West side. I know social media warriors would never set foot in Garfield Park or Englewood, let alone move there.

because it's more dangerous. nobody wants to live in a more dangerous area. so why are those areas more dangerous? poverty. additionally, there have been historical efforts made on the part of the city to segregate communities on racial lines

[dice]

Everyone should read this:

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/06/james-mattis-denounces-trump-protests-militarization/612640/?utm_source=msn

Whether you support Trump or, like me, hate him and everything he stands for, you should read it.

“Donald Trump is the first president in my lifetime who does not try to unite the American people—does not even pretend to try. Instead, he tries to divide us,” Mattis writes.

That's odd, I seem to remember a president who said this about the white working class:

"They get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."

Division started way before Trump. Obama was a terrible leader who inflamed racial tensions instead of unifying Americans.

horses**t. obama bent over backwards to avoid being divisive. because it's not in his nature, because he knew that his legacy as the first black president was important, because he knew that his opposition was desperate to depict him as "angry black man" despite the reality that he is just the opposite, and because he didn't want to give people like you ammunition. that quote was said privately and is typically, as you have conveniently done, taken out of context. it was an expression of understanding for why in the world anybody would, for example, vote for a two bit con man for president. because their fear stems from economic anxiety in an economy that has shifted away from the kinds of jobs they used to be able to depend on. and right wing politicians take advantage of that fear

https://theweek.com/articles/610945/how-obama-diagnosed-trumpism-way-back-2008

the black community, probably rightfully, often did not think that obama advocated for their interests sufficiently. hell, when pressured to weigh in about a black harvard professor being arrested by a white officer for attempting to enter his own home, obama did about the whitest thing ever: he held a "beer summit" with the two men



yeah, THAT guy inflamed racial tensions. you know what inflamed racial tensions? the underbelly of the republican party coming out of the woodwork in response to the election of a black president. the result: birtherism and donald trump




cherry picking the rare instances when obama said anything that could even be CONSTRUED as divisive is hardly a counterpoint to what we're seeing with trump. there are probably websites devoted to tallying all the divisive crap he says, just as there are to the over 18,000 lies he has told as president

[2018C3]

Every single time a cop has asked to search my car I have let them. It has happened to me at least three times. In each case I knew there was nothing to hide, and the problem was solved.

The very first time I was driving my dads car, and he had a case of beer in the trunk. I got pulled over just a few blocks from home. The officer followed me back to my parents house and asked my dad if it was his. I still got a speeding ticket, got grounded, and a whooping from my dad.

Edit, I just remembered another time, so make that 4. The last time it happened was about 4 years ago. I got puled over for a expired license plate sticker, and although I had insurance I did not have the current dated card in my wallet, So I had to go to court to prove it. I had the policy saved on my phone, but was told that does not count.