Around The NBA: 2019-20 RESTART

troza · Post #1641 » by **troza** » Tue Jun 2, 2020 7:29 am

I would say that re-seeding from 1-16 instead of the conferences will disturb what was done before the break. Teams were making decisions to play in their conference in the playoffs.

As for next season, yeah... make it shorter or whatever you feel like but finish this one. There is no guarantee that the next season will be able to start in the scheduled data or even be played outside Orlando so...

ATRAIN53 · Post #1642 » by **ATRAIN53** » Tue Jun 2, 2020 2:00 pm

Listening to all these proposals - whatever they do and wherever they do it

This whole season was about that Lakers v Clippers matchup. Having it in LA where they shared the same home court was a twist that can't be replicated somewhere else.

And what happens when a player or coach tests positive for this during the playoffs.
It's gonna happen.

Such a bummer to think we should be discussing Game 1 of the Finals today and prepping for Game 2 tonight :banghead:

Southpaw · Post #1643 » by **Southpaw** » Tue Jun 2, 2020 5:52 pm

MrFortune3 wrote:
TheSuzerain wrote:
_txchilibowl_ wrote:

I still think he's a player and would trade WCJ for him right now...

He's still a good center prospect I guess. Certainly not an elite one.

But he was also a definite hype-job in the pre-draft process. Had people buying into his ball-handling and jump shot lol.

Eh, the Magic are not traditionally good at developing guys so you have to take it with a grain of salt.

Agreed. They've gotten a ton of high lotto picks and none of them has panned out yet. I also am of the belief that you don't wanna give up on a high potential big before he turns 25 because I feel like most bigs needs both their body and mind to mature before being able to contribute consistently.

TheSuzerain · Post #1644 » by **TheSuzerain** » Tue Jun 2, 2020 5:54 pm

Southpaw wrote:
MrFortune3 wrote:
TheSuzerain wrote:He's still a good center prospect I guess. Certainly not an elite one.

But he was also a definite hype-job in the pre-draft process. Had people buying into his ball-handling and jump shot lol.

Eh, the Magic are not traditionally good at developing guys so you have to take it with a grain of salt.

Agreed. They've gotten a ton of high lotto picks and none of them has panned out yet. I also am of the belief that you don't wanna give up on a high potential big before he turns 25 because I feel like most bigs needs both their body and mind to mature before being able to contribute consistently.

Jonathan Isaac > Any of our players.

_txchilibowl_ · Post #1645 » by **_txchilibowl_** » Tue Jun 2, 2020 9:56 pm

TheSuzerain wrote:
Southpaw wrote:
MrFortune3 wrote:
Eh, the Magic are not traditionally good at developing guys so you have to take it with a grain of salt.

Agreed. They've gotten a ton of high lotto picks and none of them has panned out yet. I also am of the belief that you don't wanna give up on a high potential big before he turns 25 because I feel like most bigs needs both their body and mind to mature before being able to contribute consistently.

Jonathan Isaac > Any of our players.

No he's not. He might project to be but currently he's a guy who:

A) Averages less than 10 ppg for his career
B) Is shooting a whopping .432% for his career
C) Plays about 45 games a season for his career

I like Issac as a player...and I may trade any player on this roster for him. But he's not better than Lavine as of yet.

He could be the next Wilt Chamberlain but it won't matter if he can't stay on the court...

MrFortune3 · Post #1646 » by **MrFortune3** » Tue Jun 2, 2020 11:35 pm

TheSuzerain wrote:
Southpaw wrote:
MrFortune3 wrote:
Eh, the Magic are not traditionally good at developing guys so you have to take it with a grain of salt.

Agreed. They've gotten a ton of high lotto picks and none of them has panned out yet. I also am of the belief that you don't wanna give up on a high potential big before he turns 25 because I feel like most bigs needs both their body and mind to mature before being able to contribute consistently.

Jonathan Isaac > Any of our players.

He has more potential than any of our players(in theory) but he's not better than a majority of the roster.
They have drafted Gordon, Isaac, Bamba and Gordon is still fairly meh.

dice · Post #1647 » by **dice** » Wed Jun 3, 2020 2:10 am

TheSuzerain wrote:
Southpaw wrote:
MrFortune3 wrote:
Eh, the Magic are not traditionally good at developing guys so you have to take it with a grain of salt.

Agreed. They've gotten a ton of high lotto picks and none of them has panned out yet. I also am of the belief that you don't wanna give up on a high potential big before he turns 25 because I feel like most bigs needs both their body and mind to mature before being able to contribute consistently.

Jonathan Isaac > Any of our players.

eh, not quite yet. he's kinda the flip-side of lavine. poor offense, excellent defense. and individual offense is a bit more important than individual defense

TheSuzerain · Post #1648 » by **TheSuzerain** » Wed Jun 3, 2020 1:40 pm

dice wrote:
TheSuzerain wrote:
Southpaw wrote:Agreed. They've gotten a ton of high lotto picks and none of them has panned out yet. I also am of the belief that you don't wanna give up on a high potential big before he turns 25 because I feel like most bigs needs both their body and mind to mature before being able to contribute consistently.

Jonathan Isaac > Any of our players.

eh, not quite yet. he's kinda the flip-side of lavine. poor offense, excellent defense. and individual offense is a bit more important than individual defense

Except Lavine doesn't play excellent offense. His playmaking limitations really limit his impact. He's a very good scorer, but that's just one part of offense.

In any case, I think it's clear that Isaac is a far better asset than anything we've got.

Post #1649 » by **dougthonus** » Wed Jun 3, 2020 1:53 pm

Pretty interesting that the NBA's 22 team plan includes 13 WC teams and 9 EC teams.

Post #1650 » by **dougthonus** » Wed Jun 3, 2020 1:56 pm

TheSuzerain wrote:Except Lavine doesn't play excellent offense. His playmaking limitations really limit his impact. He's a very good scorer, but that's just one part of offense.

In any case, I think it's clear that Isaac is a far better asset than anything we've got.

Really? I don't think that's clear at all. Granted, I haven't watched a whole lot of Orlando basketball to have a bunch of deep insight into Isaac, but looking at him statistically, nothing stands out that makes me go "wow this guy is a hell of a prospect, future star".

TheSuzerain · Post #1651 » by **TheSuzerain** » Wed Jun 3, 2020 2:00 pm

dougthonus wrote:
TheSuzerain wrote:Except Lavine doesn't play excellent offense. His playmaking limitations really limit his impact. He's a very good scorer, but that's just one part of offense.

In any case, I think it's clear that Isaac is a far better asset than anything we've got.

Really? I don't think that's clear at all. Granted, I haven't watched a whole lot of Orlando basketball to have a bunch of deep insight into Isaac, but looking at him statistically, nothing stands out that makes me go "wow this guy is a hell of a prospect, future star".

Well first off, we don't have any top tier assets. So somebody doesn't need to be a budding all-star to be a better asset than anything we've got.

But Isaac's defense looks incredible. Not just potential, he's already an elite defensive player. And on the offensive end, he looks like he'll have the potential to be a solid 4th/5th option who can hit the spot up 3.

ATRAIN53 · Post #1652 » by **ATRAIN53** » Wed Jun 3, 2020 2:16 pm

If they really are gonna make us wait until July 31st for games -
I'm kinda thinking I'd rather just scrap the season.

trying to jam the rest of this season into a few months and then restarting the next season late?

That messes up 2 titles instead of the one title that is gonna be a quasi-champ anyways IMO.

MrSparkle · Post #1653 » by **MrSparkle** » Wed Jun 3, 2020 2:47 pm

Wow. Finishing the finals in October? That’s insane.

I feel like the NBA is bracing for disruptions in the 20/21 season, so they’re saying to hell with the calendar, let’s play by ear.

dice · Post #1654 » by **dice** » Wed Jun 3, 2020 10:24 pm

TheSuzerain wrote:
dice wrote:
TheSuzerain wrote:Jonathan Isaac > Any of our players.

eh, not quite yet. he's kinda the flip-side of lavine. poor offense, excellent defense. and individual offense is a bit more important than individual defense

Except Lavine doesn't play excellent offense. His playmaking limitations really limit his impact. He's a very good scorer, but that's just one part of offense.

he shouldn't be playing point guard. if you want to call lavine merely good offensively, i won't argue that point though

In any case, I think it's clear that Isaac is a far better asset than anything we've got.

absolutely

dice · Post #1655 » by **dice** » Wed Jun 3, 2020 10:32 pm

dougthonus wrote:Pretty interesting that the NBA's 22 team plan includes 13 WC teams and 9 EC teams.

those are all the teams still in the playoff hunt. makes sense not to bring entire teams/personnel into the bubble to play a handful of completely meaningless games

the thing that doesn't make sense is phoenix being 6 games back with 5 to play, assuming a 70 game schedule. maybe they wanted and an even number of teams to make scheduling easier? but even if they go a bit beyond 70 games, if i'm phoenix i want no part of that

MrFortune3 · Post #1656 » by **MrFortune3** » Thu Jun 4, 2020 3:19 am

dougthonus wrote:Pretty interesting that the NBA's 22 team plan includes 13 WC teams and 9 EC teams.

It's all of the teams in the playoff hunt brought back for a 8 game season to finish out.

dumbell78 · Post #1657 » by **dumbell78** » Thu Jun 4, 2020 7:58 am

This setup will feel a lot like summer league, I don't know if it will really captivate the fans. I can see many ppl just blow off games until deep into the playoffs.

Im really not interested in seeing Orlando and Phoenix playing, just as an example.

Post #1658 » by **dougthonus** » Thu Jun 4, 2020 11:46 am

MrFortune3 wrote:
dougthonus wrote:Pretty interesting that the NBA's 22 team plan includes 13 WC teams and 9 EC teams.

It's all of the teams in the playoff hunt brought back for a 8 game season to finish out.

Yeah, I understand why they did it. I just think its interesting that it doesn't have balance to it. It's jut very unsportslike in general to have unbalanced brackets. I think you could have cut it at 18 teams reasonably, but I understand why they included everyone until the gap was bigger than 1 game.

We'll see how the rules actually play out, it feels like it might end up being really unfair to Memphis to me. It seems really unlikely that anyone would catch Memphis if you played out the rest of the season for real, so hopefully they get some pretty sizable advantage in a tournament if one exists.

Andi Obst · Post #1659 » by **Andi Obst** » Thu Jun 4, 2020 11:52 am

MrFortune3 wrote:
dougthonus wrote:Pretty interesting that the NBA's 22 team plan includes 13 WC teams and 9 EC teams.

It's all of the teams in the playoff hunt brought back for a 8 game season to finish out.

All the teams in the playoff hunt + Devin Booker and Bradley Beal, that is.

Andi Obst · Post #1660 » by **Andi Obst** » Thu Jun 4, 2020 11:56 am

dougthonus wrote:We'll see how the rules actually play out, it feels like it might end up being really unfair to Memphis to me. It seems really unlikely that anyone would catch Memphis if you played out the rest of the season for real, so hopefully they get some pretty sizable advantage in a tournament if one exists.

I don't know about that. The Grizzlies had the strongest remaining schedule in the league with 17 games to go, New Orleans had the easiest (18 games to go) and they would've played each other twice until the end of the season. I think that could've gone either way.