Just Sad, "Chicago sees deadliest Memorial Day weekend in four years"

[jc23]

Drew Brees by all accounts seems like a very good person, his recent comment on the Flag/kneeling issue was coming from the right place imo but it was without a true understanding of the reason people kneel. I see he spoke with people and has since apologized. Which is awesome since that is not easy for any of us to do i.e. be willing to listen and change our opinion.

the real change comes from knowledge and dialogue which you dont get when you just want to attack and cancel someone on the spot.

not to pick on lebron but i saw his response to brees initial comment and all i could think of was the protests in china last year. lebron didnt grasp what was happening to the people of china in many of the smae way brees didnt with black America. one difference is i dont think money played any factor into Drews ignorance. lebron is also a very good person imo, but we are all foulable.

[jc23]

apparently 2 of the 3 officers being charged along w/ chauvin were in their first week on the job and had been trained by chauvin. can you imagine signing up to be a cop, going through the training, starting work during a pandemic and quickly being charged with felonies w/ the possibility of decades in prison for this? and one of them twice asked chauvin if they should roll george lloyd over. it would be a travesty if any of them are convicted, particularly the 2 newbies

And this is a big problem with Police, you have old heads teaching the new recruits bad habits that just keep getting recycled. My guess is they were trained a certain way in the Academy but as soon as they got to their departments they were told to throw most of that out the window. In that type of atmosphere its very difficult to go against the current.

[Ccwatercraft]

Drew Brees by all accounts seems like a very good person, his recent comment on the Flag/kneeling issue was coming from the right place imo but it was without a true understanding of the reason people kneel. I see he spoke with people and has since apologized. Which is awesome since that is not easy for any of us to do i.e. be willing to listen and change our opinion.

the real change comes from knowledge and dialogue which you dont get when you just want to attack and cancel someone on the spot.

not to pick on lebron but i saw his response to brees initial comment and all i could think of was the protests in china last year. lebron didnt grasp what was happening to the people of china in many of the smae way brees didnt with black America. one difference is i dont think money played any factor into Drews ignorance. lebron is also a very good person imo, but we are all foulable.

did he really change his opinion or just decide to acquiesce to the outcry and apologize as a PR move?
Certainly next time he's asked a question about anything even remotely controversial he has learned now that he needs to give a pre-approved response.

[jc23]

Drew Brees by all accounts seems like a very good person, his recent comment on the Flag/kneeling issue was coming from the right place imo but it was without a true understanding of the reason people kneel. I see he spoke with people and has since apologized. Which is awesome since that is not easy for any of us to do i.e. be willing to listen and change our opinion.

the real change comes from knowledge and dialogue which you dont get when you just want to attack and cancel someone on the spot.

not to pick on lebron but i saw his response to brees initial comment and all i could think of was the protests in china last year. lebron didnt grasp what was happening to the people of china in many of the smae way brees didnt with black America. one difference is i dont think money played any factor into Drews ignorance. lebron is also a very good person imo, but we are all foulable.

did he really change his opinion or just decide to acquiesce to the outcry and apologize as a PR move?
Certainly next time he's asked a question about anything even remotely controversial he has learned now that he needs to give a pre-approved response.

Could be. I think someones history should come into play in normal situations, but at the moment the national consensus is if you are not in 100% agreement with the movement then you are against it. Similar to what we saw with the MeeToo movement.

Its a temporary but necessary extreme imo, eventually the pendulum will return to the middle but positive changes will come with it.

[dice]

Drew Brees by all accounts seems like a very good person, his recent comment on the Flag/kneeling issue was coming from the right place imo but it was without a true understanding of the reason people kneel. I see he spoke with people and has since apologized. Which is awesome since that is not easy for any of us to do i.e. be willing to listen and change our opinion.

the real change comes from knowledge and dialogue which you dont get when you just want to attack and cancel someone on the spot.

not to pick on lebron but i saw his response to brees initial comment and all i could think of was the protests in china last year. lebron didnt grasp what was happening to the people of china in many of the smae way brees didnt with black America. one difference is i dont think money played any factor into Drews ignorance. lebron is also a very good person imo, but we are all foulable.

did he really change his opinion or just decide to acquiesce to the outcry and apologize as a PR move?
Certainly next time he's asked a question about anything even remotely controversial he has learned now that he needs to give a pre-approved response.

Could be. I think someones history should come into play in normal situations, but at the moment the national consensus is if you are not in 100% agreement with the movement then you are against it. Similar to what we saw with the MeeToo movement.

Its a temporary but necessary extreme imo, eventually the pendulum will return to the middle but positive changes will come with it.

his problem was that he said he would never agree with anyone taking a knee because he thought it disrespects the flag, which is blatantly disrespectful and/or ignorant of why players were doing it. it had nothing to do with the flag or veterans. he's had four damn years to recognize that. and by the way...



kaepernick was initially sitting during the anthem. a green beret told him it would be respectful if he took a knee instead. so he did. and was ignorantly vilified anyway

[dice]

"this is a great day for george floyd" - donald trump after today's economic news

[Dresden]

Minneapolis bans chokeholds:

"According to the deal, Minneapolis will amend its Police Department Policy and Procedure Manual within 10 days “to prohibit the use of all neck restraints or choke holds for any reason.”

And police personnel who encounter any such violations will be required to “safely intervene by verbal and physical means, and if they do not do so shall be subject to discipline to the same severity as if they themselves engaged in the prohibited use of force,” it states."

Gavin Newsom is calling for a state wide ban on "carotid restraints" in CA as well.

[dice]

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[Dresden]

Terrible situation in Buffalo with the police knocking that old man to the ground. And then they just walked over him while he's laying there, with blood coming out of his ear. They need to approach these situations with some common sense.

[musiqsoulchild]

Terrible situation in Buffalo with the police knocking that old man to the ground. And then they just walked over him while he's laying there, with blood coming out of his ear. They need to approach these situations with some common sense.

They then tried to pass it off as " HE SLIPPED AND FELL"

Goes to show you that this is a power differential thing and not just a race thing.

Race is just the MOST common and MOST vile way this manifests.

[Dresden]

Terrible situation in Buffalo with the police knocking that old man to the ground. And then they just walked over him while he's laying there, with blood coming out of his ear. They need to approach these situations with some common sense.

They then tried to pass it off as " HE SLIPPED AND FELL"

Goes to show you that this is a power differential thing and not just a race thing.

Race is just the MOST common and MOST vile way this manifests.

The mentality of the police needs to change. They have to quit seeing this as "us against them". Because that's what it looks like when you see that video. The cops were told to "clear the square", and they were going to do that, even if it meant pushing over an old man, and then walking past him as he lay bleeding from his head. I'm glad they charged the guy with assault. You can do your job without being violent or brutal about it.

[2018C3]

I just walked the dog past a liquor store in town that is all boarded up. I talked with the Indian owner. He said someone through bricks through the window a few days ago, and then told me his family has 5 other stores in the Chicago area. He then pulled out his phone and showed me all the damage done to the others. The pictures were terrible.

The guy is understandably very angry.

[bullsnewdynasty]

Terrible situation in Buffalo with the police knocking that old man to the ground. And then they just walked over him while he's laying there, with blood coming out of his ear. They need to approach these situations with some common sense.

They then tried to pass it off as " HE SLIPPED AND FELL"

Goes to show you that this is a power differential thing and not just a race thing.

Race is just the MOST common and MOST vile way this manifests.

The mentality of the police needs to change. They have to quit seeing this as "us against them". Because that's what it looks like when you see that video. The cops were told to "clear the square", and they were going to do that, even if it meant pushing over an old man, and then walking past him as he lay bleeding from his head. I'm glad they charged the guy with assault. You can do your job without being violent or brutal about it.

And other police officers do a fantastic job that never gets reported on.

It's almost like it's a job where there are good people and bad people working, just like every single other job on the planet. Just like there are bad doctors, bad politicians, bad accountants, bad journalists, and bad engineers.

[dice]

I just walked the dog past a liquor store in town that is all boarded up. I talked with the Indian owner. He said someone through bricks through the window a few days ago, and then told me his family has 5 other stores in the Chicago area. He then pulled out his phone and showed me all the damage done to the others. The pictures were terrible.

The guy is understandably very angry.

the freaking NURSING HOME in my neighborhood is boarded up. and now they have a security guard. i hope it's just precautionary measures, but i fear that a window was broken or something

[dice]

Terrible situation in Buffalo with the police knocking that old man to the ground. And then they just walked over him while he's laying there, with blood coming out of his ear. They need to approach these situations with some common sense.

to be fair, they didn't knock him to the ground. they very lightly pushed him and he tripped and fell while backpedaling. the appalling part was that they just left him there to bleed at first

i think the entire unit resigned because the people involved were punished. did they expect no punishment for the lack of humanity exhibited?

[AshyLarrysDiaper]

They then tried to pass it off as " HE SLIPPED AND FELL"

Goes to show you that this is a power differential thing and not just a race thing.

Race is just the MOST common and MOST vile way this manifests.

The mentality of the police needs to change. They have to quit seeing this as "us against them". Because that's what it looks like when you see that video. The cops were told to "clear the square", and they were going to do that, even if it meant pushing over an old man, and then walking past him as he lay bleeding from his head. I'm glad they charged the guy with assault. You can do your job without being violent or brutal about it.

And other police officers do a fantastic job that never gets reported on.

It's almost like it's a job where there are good people and bad people working, just like every single other job on the planet. Just like there are bad doctors, bad politicians, bad accountants, bad journalists, and bad engineers.

Other professions don’t have collective bargaining agreements and unions that defend members caught on film committing assault or murder.

I’ve never seen doctors line up outside a courthouse to applaud a surgeon that botched a surgery.

There is no profession that’s insulated from facing justice like police.

[bullsnewdynasty]

The mentality of the police needs to change. They have to quit seeing this as "us against them". Because that's what it looks like when you see that video. The cops were told to "clear the square", and they were going to do that, even if it meant pushing over an old man, and then walking past him as he lay bleeding from his head. I'm glad they charged the guy with assault. You can do your job without being violent or brutal about it.

And other police officers do a fantastic job that never gets reported on.

It's almost like it's a job where there are good people and bad people working, just like every single other job on the planet. Just like there are bad doctors, bad politicians, bad accountants, bad journalists, and bad engineers.

Other professions don’t have collective bargaining agreements and unions that defend members caught on film committing assault or murder.

I’ve never seen doctors line up outside a courthouse to applaud a surgeon that botched a surgery.

There is no profession that’s insulated from facing justice like police.

I'm not sure what you're talking about. Are you saying police officers aren't entitled to a legal defense? That's bizarre.

Every profession has people who do not represent the profession admirably, even people like doctors who have committed sexual assault and medical fraud. Nobody is defending them, and they don't represent the majority.

Police are the only profession where the actions of a few are projected onto the entire group. That's the same idea as saying black people are violent because a handful are gang members and drug dealers.

[AshyLarrysDiaper]

And other police officers do a fantastic job that never gets reported on.

It's almost like it's a job where there are good people and bad people working, just like every single other job on the planet. Just like there are bad doctors, bad politicians, bad accountants, bad journalists, and bad engineers.

Other professions don’t have collective bargaining agreements and unions that defend members caught on film committing assault or murder.

I’ve never seen doctors line up outside a courthouse to applaud a surgeon that botched a surgery.

There is no profession that’s insulated from facing justice like police.

I'm not sure what you're talking about. Are you saying police officers aren't entitled to a legal defense? That's bizarre.

I’m not talking about ‘legal defense’, and I think you know that. Obviously, everyone has a right to an attorney.

I’m talking about the contract provisions that make firing violent cops extraordinarily difficult, the unions that launch public campaigns to defend cops filmed committing assault or murder, and qualified immunity which protects cops from being sued when they violate your constitutional rights.

Tell me what other profession has all that going on, and I’ll agree that we should be protesting them too.

[bullsnewdynasty]

Terrible situation in Buffalo with the police knocking that old man to the ground. And then they just walked over him while he's laying there, with blood coming out of his ear. They need to approach these situations with some common sense.

to be fair, they didn't knock him to the ground. they very lightly pushed him and he tripped and fell while backpedaling. the appalling part was that they just left him there to bleed at first

i think the entire unit resigned because the people involved were punished. did they expect no punishment for the lack of humanity exhibited?

Why do you know that was the reason they resigned?

Maybe they resigned because they're tired of getting disrespected by the public. Not worth it to do a job where you are not appreciated and then expected to risk your life for those same people when they're in trouble.

If anybody hates the police, don't call them the next time you need help.

[bullsnewdynasty]

I’m not talking about ‘legal defense’, and I think you know that. Obviously, everyone has a right to an attorney.

I’m talking about the contract provisions that make firing violent cops extraordinarily difficult, the unions that launch public campaigns to defend cops filmed committing assault or murder, and qualified immunity which protects cops from being sued when they violate your constitutional rights.

Tell me what other profession has all that going on, and I’ll agree that we should be protesting them too.

So your problem should be with politicians, not cops. Cops don't create the law. Unions are always going to defend their own. Why is there a problem with police having unions compared to other jobs? If you want to start a discussion about unions, let's have it.

I'm not a lawyer so I won't pretend to understand the complexity around it. If you pointed to specific incidents where the immunity law protected cops, it might be more effective than just throwing the word out there.

But based on my reading of it, nothing protects you if you violate federal law or constitutional rights, so I think you have some misplaced anger about what that doctrine actually entails.