OT Bears 2019/20 season and beyond

[dice]

I'm not really sure what you two want.

Foles has a statistical run that's pretty freaking rare. He's got a Super Bowl MVP victory over Brady. We have no idea what Foles will bring. He was brilliant in 2013, he was 6-2 as a starter before he broke his collarbone in 2014, got traded to STL where he sucked with
no legit WRs, left there and was a backup in KC followed by Philly where he was 7-2 as a starter and happened to win a Super Bowl/Super Bowl MVP and the following year won a road playoff game against Trubsiky and our dominant defense

1) we know the resume
2) you seem to be pinning a lot of hope on the foles to robinson connection ("he sucked w/ no legit WRs")
3) why do you keep bringing up brady? it's completely irrelevant who the QB of the other team was. isn't playing well in the super bowl enough?

[Red Larrivee]

I'm not really sure what you two want.

Foles has a statistical run that's pretty freaking rare. He's got a Super Bowl MVP victory over Brady. We have no idea what Foles will bring. He was brilliant in 2013, he was 6-2 as a starter before he broke his collarbone in 2014, got traded to STL where he sucked with
no legit WRs, left there and was a backup in KC followed by Philly where he was 7-2 as a starter and happened to win a Super Bowl/Super Bowl MVP and the following year won a road playoff game against Trubsiky and our dominant defense.

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Dude's career is weird but his peaks are about as high as it gets in the NFL. To say "Bears best chance to win a super bowl was to double down on Trubisky" and then ignore Foles' peak is just a weird take. Trubisky's peak doesn't touch Foles from either a team accomplishment standpoint or a statistical peak standpoint.

I have no idea what Foles is going to bring this season and to pretend like you do would be foolish. Dude's been all over the place in his career. If he's healthy and the defense is rolling, this is a really good team.

In theory, if Foles is merely a competent starting QB, then this is a good team. The problem with this hypothetical is that Foles has not been the starting QB for most of or an entire season since 2015. His statline that season was awful. Granted, it was a Jeff Fisher team, but Foles did not look like a player you would want starting.

Foles' career is full of too many small sample sizes of competence and incompetence. What we do know is that any time he's been thrusted into a starting QB role, the team moved on not long after. Of course, people will bring up the SB run, and you can't take that away from him. However, that team was already elite when he stepped in. They basically gave him the keys to a lamborghini and told him not to crash it.

It's pretty unideal that the Bears have two QBs who they have no idea what they're going to get from.

[dice]

WC1 seahawks over eagles
WC2 bucs over cowboys
WC3 niners over pack

div1 saints over niners
div2 seahawks over bucs

champ seahawks over saints

bears/vikings 9 wins

[nitetrain8603]

What are Foles' career numbers including playoffs? What are Mitch's? Without looking it up, you have enough there to probably say, neither are your future, nor should they be your current starter.

Foles' is a fringe starting QB. He's an upgrade over Chase Daniels. After more than a few years in the NFL, you can pretty much guess what he's going to be.

Also keep in mind, yeah he had a good playoff run with a more than decent offensive cast. You still need a QB to get you to the playoffs and you still need even an average offensive supporting cast.

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[dice]

nagy says he will be playing starters a lot more this preseason. although i would imagine that it will be shortened this year. pretty much a necessity to split time foles/trubisky if this QB competition thing is legit

[Kurt Heimlich]

I'm hoping we get the Nick Foles magic that Peyton trolled Brady with and that Susan preaches about this year for the Bears.

But at the cost of sounding repetitive boy oh boy it absolutely should be a career ending move to F up as bad as Pace did in the 2017 draft. Idenfitying (correctly) that QB was the #1 need was astute. Tradeing up to go get your guy was unecessary if you had any level of savy at the time (bimbo Pace point #1). But then you pick far and away pick the WORST option out of all THREE. Not even a coin flip. You could get 3 flips and still be "right 2 out of 3 times. And this fool Pace was graced with the ability to still have the 1st choice amongst them. And he completely wiffed. Such an obvious indicator that he has no legitimate eye for actual franchise determining talent. And the stories we hear say that he didn't give the most obvious option, Deshaun Watson, the time of day, is so even further incrimminating.

If Krause was the "villian" of the Last Dance, Ryan Pace is the hilariously unfit bimbo, incompetently botching the potential for a legit dynasty that will now never happen. We are the Portland Trailblazers. Mitch is Sam Bowie. And Pace is the idiotic Portland GM. Krause didn't draft MJ, but at he got most subsequent things right prior to going full egomaniac in the mid/last 90s.

[MalagaBulls]

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[MGB8]

Non-Bears fan (Philly area Vikings fan... long story) but Foles is interesting for you guys.

Here's the deal with him:

(1) He's streaky - he can play exceptionally well, with amazing anticipation, timing and accuracy for weeks... and then just... not;
(2) He's not durable - something that probably plays into number 1 - Foles' biggest issue is that he doesn't seem to hold up all that well to being banged around.

In 2017, he was really only "ok" in the regular season starts that he had, but played exceptionally well in the playoffs. At the same time, he was only sacked twice (once by the Falcons, once by the Vikes, never by the Pats) and was only under significant pressure by the Falcons... where the Vikes kind of imploded, exhausted after the Minneapolis Miracle.

You had a pick 6 by Keenum to the Eagles tying the game up at 7, a fumble deep into Eagles territory by Keenum ending a chance to tie it at 14 Vikes, and the Vikes defense without Shamar Stephen and a banged up Rhodes while the offense missing its starting guard and then the banged up center goes out in the 3rd, while their 2nd WR who was also injured was limited... Vikes basically gave up and Foles exploited that.

The point being that while Foles has some magic in him, it often time is a bit circumstantial, and doesn't seem to last very long. Still, if the Bears can keep him from taking too many hits, he would certainly be an upgrade over Trubinsky trying to emulate Christian Ponder.

[dice]

pats sign cameron newton to minimal salary, incentive-laden deal that will pay him a max of 7.5 mil. i wish that our national leadership was competent enough to leave open the possibility of packed stadiums in the fall, 'cause this season's gonna be real interesting. with brady vs belichick at the top of the intrigue list

six projected backups making more than cam this season:

alex smith (21.4 in washington), brissett (21.4), trubisky (9.3), mariota in vegas (9.1), fitzpatrick in miami (8), tyrod taylor w/ the chargers (7.5)

reportedly the only other team to talk with him was the browns

[MalagaBulls]

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[2018C3]

The Bears have one of the worst offensive lines, and are also projected to be in the lower 1/3 of offensive ranking.

I think it will be difficult for either of are quarterbacks to perform well under thees circumstances. If the offense takes a jump forward one of these two guys will need to play extremely well.

I hate to say it, and maybe its not even possible. But I think the Bears should maybe consider perusing Antonio Brown for a boost. He would at least give these quarterbacks a fighting chance.

I was watching some Bear talk the other day, and it looks like this year they will have a easier schedule.

[dice]

The Bears have one of the worst offensive lines, and are also projected to be in the lower 1/3 of offensive ranking.

I think it will be difficult for either of are quarterbacks to perform well under thees circumstances. If the offense takes a jump forward one of these two guys will need to play extremely well.

I hate to say it, and maybe its not even possible. But I think the Bears should maybe consider perusing Antonio Brown for a boost. He would at least give these quarterbacks a fighting chance.

I was watching some Bear talk the other day, and it looks like this year they will have a easier schedule.

600 Kansas City Chiefs
650 Baltimore Ravens
1000 San Francisco 49ers
1200 New Orleans Saints
1400 Tampa Bay Buccaneers
1700 Dallas Cowboys
1700 New England Patriots
2000 Philadelphia Eagles

2200 Seattle Seahawks
2500 Indianapolis Colts
2500 Minnesota Vikings 2500 Minnesota Vikings
2500 Pittsburgh Steelers
2800 Buffalo Bills
2800 Green Bay Packers 2800 Green Bay Packers
3000 Tennessee Titans
3300 Los Angeles Rams

4000 Atlanta Falcons
4000 Chicago Bears
4000 Cleveland Browns
4500 Los Angeles Chargers
5000 Arizona Cardinals
5000 Denver Broncos
5000 Houston Texans
6600 Detroit Lions 6600 Detroit Lions

6600 Las Vegas Raiders
7000 Miami Dolphins
7000 New York Giants
7000 New York Jets
10000 Carolina Panthers
10000 Cincinnati Bengals
10000 Washington NFL Franchise
15000 Jacksonville Jaguars

that's 2 excellent opponents vs 3 terrible. and 7 above average opponents vs only 4 below average

had #13 strength of schedule last year and looks to be about the same this year

[TheStig]

I'm not sold on Foles. We really should have gotten Cam for the minimum like I suggested months ago.

[ATRAIN53]

If you had told me would could have had Cam freakin Newton on a ONE YEAR PROVE IT deal like he signed for the Pats......
Or Philip Rivers for one year at 25 million.

Both these guys need a SB to make their case for Canton.

Everyone who said Rivers would not relocate - guy moved his 9 kids to INDY in the middle of a pandemic and loves it there apparently.

Everyone who said Cam Newton was done. Belicheck has got to still be laughing.
Kicks Tom Brady to the curb and ends up with Cam Newton. The Patriot Way.

[Jeffster81]

I'm not sold on Foles. We really should have gotten Cam for the minimum like I suggested months ago.

Cam's done and it would not surprise me if he does not finish the season with NE.

[Jcool0]

If you had told me would could have had Cam freakin Newton on a ONE YEAR PROVE IT deal like he signed for the Pats......
Or Philip Rivers for one year at 25 million.

Both these guys need a SB to make their case for Canton.

Everyone who said Rivers would not relocate - guy moved his 9 kids to INDY in the middle of a pandemic and loves it there apparently.

Everyone who said Cam Newton was done. Belicheck has got to still be laughing.
Kicks Tom Brady to the curb and ends up with Cam Newton. The Patriot Way.

Rivers family is living in Florida.

[nitetrain8603]

I'm not sold on Foles. We really should have gotten Cam for the minimum like I suggested months ago.

Cam's done and it would not surprise me if he does not finish the season with NE.

He passed his physical in March. I don't think he's done. Certainly will be better than Foles or Mitch

[TheStig]

I'm not sold on Foles. We really should have gotten Cam for the minimum like I suggested months ago.

Cam's done and it would not surprise me if he does not finish the season with NE.

What does it hurt to bring in a star to a 500k gaurntee? I don't think he's done. He had injuries and now he's healed and should be good. Will he get reinjured? Who knows.

[TheStig]

I'm not sold on Foles. We really should have gotten Cam for the minimum like I suggested months ago.

Cam's done and it would not surprise me if he does not finish the season with NE.

He passed his physical in March. I don't think he's done. Certainly will be better than Foles or Mitch

Would have been nice to bring him in for 500k to see who wins the competition. I think it'd be Cam.

[Jeffster81]

I'm not sold on Foles. We really should have gotten Cam for the minimum like I suggested months ago.

Cam's done and it would not surprise me if he does not finish the season with NE.

He passed his physical in March. I don't think he's done. Certainly will be better than Foles or Mitch

The abuse to his body with his style has definitely taken their toil on him. If Carolina thought he had anything left, they would not have gone out and signed a mediocre journeyman. If the Bears thought Cam was worth pursuing, they would have, imo. He lasted on the FA market because teams think he is done, or at the very least should be a nice "insurance" policy.

I think Stidham is the better option moving forward and I would be very surprise if Cam beats him out.