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Jasen777 wrote:I only had Reyes winning, but I do think Jones got lucky with Santos' injury.
aggerrard wrote:Maybe. Hard to say - Jon could've picked it up, if Santos were able to attack more. As i remember the fight it was pretty much Jon walking forward for 25 minutes with very little output from both. Santos threw more but Jones landed more and landed more effectively.
Jasen777 wrote:aggerrard wrote:Maybe. Hard to say - Jon could've picked it up, if Santos were able to attack more. As i remember the fight it was pretty much Jon walking forward for 25 minutes with very little output from both. Santos threw more but Jones landed more and landed more effectively.
Santos won the first round and looked to be the better fighter before he got injured. Yes, Jones might have been able to turn it around but it's still quite fortunate for him that Santos got hurt.
aggerrard wrote:Question. Jones vs Reyes, Gus and Santos. Which of those do you guys think he lost - and if you think he lost some of them, what are your argument for him losing?
Dupp wrote:Jorge putting out a lot of tweets about pay dispute between him and the ufc right now.
This one in particular I assume is referring to usman? Is he really that bad of a draw compared to Nate? I get it but seems funny because the fight would most likely be way better.
He also retweeted someone who tweeted out the revenue sharing between the ufc and the fighters. They said the revenue split was like 16-84 fighters - ufc spit. Compared that nba and nfl etc where the spilt is basically 50-50.
Are those numbers true or close to being accurate? If so it’s pretty poor for the fighters. He also tweeted “ never made a dollar on a ticket you sell” Does he mean at the gate or Ppv too? Basically I’m wondering if he’s only ever gotten the base rate and nothing else.
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REDDzone wrote:Dupp wrote:Jorge putting out a lot of tweets about pay dispute between him and the ufc right now.
This one in particular I assume is referring to usman? Is he really that bad of a draw compared to Nate? I get it but seems funny because the fight would most likely be way better.
He also retweeted someone who tweeted out the revenue sharing between the ufc and the fighters. They said the revenue split was like 16-84 fighters - ufc spit. Compared that nba and nfl etc where the spilt is basically 50-50.
Are those numbers true or close to being accurate? If so it’s pretty poor for the fighters. He also tweeted “ never made a dollar on a ticket you sell” Does he mean at the gate or Ppv too? Basically I’m wondering if he’s only ever gotten the base rate and nothing else.
Not sure if he got PPV points for Nate fight but would never have gotten them before that because he never headlined a PPV, right?
This was a point brought up by Ariel. The fighters have never received a portion of the gate from the UFC. So the UFC's argument to not pay because of lower gates is oftentimes falling on deaf ears.
Duke4life831 wrote:aggerrard wrote:Question. Jones vs Reyes, Gus and Santos. Which of those do you guys think he lost - and if you think he lost some of them, what are your argument for him losing?
He lost to Reyes, I watched that fight again I think it was a clear 3-2 to Reyes. The Santos fight is extremely tight in my opinion. But Ive got no issue with siding with the champ in such a close fight. I also think he beat Gus as well. So in my opinion in those 3 fights he's 1-1-1 (I'm cool with calling the Santos one a draw or notching to the loss or win column, it was that close in my opinion).
Doctor MJ wrote:I don't understand why people jump in a thread and say basically, "This thing you're all talking about. I'm too ignorant to know anything about it. Lollerskates!"
NO-KG-AI wrote:Duke4life831 wrote:aggerrard wrote:Question. Jones vs Reyes, Gus and Santos. Which of those do you guys think he lost - and if you think he lost some of them, what are your argument for him losing?
He lost to Reyes, I watched that fight again I think it was a clear 3-2 to Reyes. The Santos fight is extremely tight in my opinion. But Ive got no issue with siding with the champ in such a close fight. I also think he beat Gus as well. So in my opinion in those 3 fights he's 1-1-1 (I'm cool with calling the Santos one a draw or notching to the loss or win column, it was that close in my opinion).
How do you feel about GSP vs Hendricks?
Jasen777 wrote:aggerrard wrote:Maybe. Hard to say - Jon could've picked it up, if Santos were able to attack more. As i remember the fight it was pretty much Jon walking forward for 25 minutes with very little output from both. Santos threw more but Jones landed more and landed more effectively.
Santos won the first round and looked to be the better fighter before he got injured. Yes, Jones might have been able to turn it around but it's still quite fortunate for him that Santos got hurt.
aggerrard wrote:cowboyronnie wrote:He definitely lost in some moral sense against Santos, given that Santos had no knees for like 4 rounds.
I can't remember how tight I thought the Reyes fight was. He clearly won the first couple but I think I may have given Jon the last 3, as Reyes's movement slowed down.
It's tough to watch them unbiased, given that we are all giddy about, a) someone actually competing with Jon athletically, b) the prospect of that prick losing. His opponent's successes become a little too salient, I think.
That's fair and i agree on the points you are making.
The reason i'm asking is, it seems like alot of those who thinks Jones lost all three fight are using media scores and punches landed as the only arguments for why Reyes won. But if that's how you judge it, then Jones won way more convincingly against both Gus and Santos.
My bias did lean me towards Jones in the Reyes fight. But honestly trying to wipe my bias and pride to the side, i think Reyes had those first three round. He outlanded Jones and landed the cleaner punches. In the Gus and Santos fight though, i really don't see the argument for Jones losing - based on the rules of the octagon.
Doctor MJ wrote:I don't understand why people jump in a thread and say basically, "This thing you're all talking about. I'm too ignorant to know anything about it. Lollerskates!"
Duke4life831 wrote:NO-KG-AI wrote:Duke4life831 wrote:
He lost to Reyes, I watched that fight again I think it was a clear 3-2 to Reyes. The Santos fight is extremely tight in my opinion. But Ive got no issue with siding with the champ in such a close fight. I also think he beat Gus as well. So in my opinion in those 3 fights he's 1-1-1 (I'm cool with calling the Santos one a draw or notching to the loss or win column, it was that close in my opinion).
How do you feel about GSP vs Hendricks?
Its been awhile since I watched that one. Im a massive GSP homer so I still think I tell myself GSP barely scratched that one out. But ya probably deep down think Hendricks won. But again haven't watched it in years.
Doctor MJ wrote:I don't understand why people jump in a thread and say basically, "This thing you're all talking about. I'm too ignorant to know anything about it. Lollerskates!"
NO-KG-AI wrote:Duke4life831 wrote:NO-KG-AI wrote:
How do you feel about GSP vs Hendricks?
Its been awhile since I watched that one. Im a massive GSP homer so I still think I tell myself GSP barely scratched that one out. But ya probably deep down think Hendricks won. But again haven't watched it in years.
Fair, I asked because I feel like I am biased about Jones and more clear on GSP, and you're the opposite, and it was super controversial, close decision, so I was curious lol.
Doctor MJ wrote:I don't understand why people jump in a thread and say basically, "This thing you're all talking about. I'm too ignorant to know anything about it. Lollerskates!"
NO-KG-AI wrote:Since he was like so obviously correct, and it almost cost him his title against a bum like Hendricks that didn't deserve the distinction of getting one on GSP, I felt really bad for him for the whole situation.
what was the point of coming back? He don’t want any of khabib or Justin Dupp wrote::lol: what was the point of coming back? He don’t want any of khabib or Justin
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