Political Roundtable Part XXVIII

[Wizardspride]

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[Zonkerbl]

Or holding a Bible up upside down...

[dckingsfan]

the one pushback that i have against the narrative of "young voters didn't turn out" is that 18-24 is a 6 year window. generously, 18-35 is a 15 year window. the demographic of what constitutes the "older" voter encompasses a larger age range.

and yes, i agree that to a degree, Biden's nomination was secured by the votes of the people in the primary, but the party itself also put their thumbs on the scale to help pave the way for Biden. For instance, I have a hard time believing that Obama in all of his brilliance believes Biden is the best candidate, but sat on his hands for the sake of the party.

I think you are pointing out another flaw with the Sanders campaign. He really believed that younger demographic would show for him at the polls. And they didn't.

No one needed to put their paws on the scale. Bernie did that all by himself. He kept decreasing the size of his tent until he lost. Once all the other candidates dropped out, it showed that Bernie could never garner much over 30% of the vote.

Why do I go on about this. There were many candidates that didn't figure out how to get a large enough share of the vote to make a difference and they dropped. Why? They want to see the Ds win.

We are now in a binary junction. Biden or Trump. And Trump is order of magnitudes worse than Biden.

And Biden is doing something that no other D candidate has ever done - split his working groups into progressive/moderate. He will actually be able to move the progressive platforms much further than Bernie could for exactly this reason.

[Zonkerbl]

If you saw the tweet going around about the guy who assaulted a little girl putting flyers up on the Capital Crescent trail, they got the guy (after twitter doxxed several incorrect suspects)

Here's the article saying who the real guy was:
https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/06/us/police-arrest-cyclist-accosting-people-posting-signs-trnd/index.html

Here's an article about the guy who got doxxed:
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/06/what-its-like-to-get-doxed-for-taking-a-bike-ride.html

[Zonkerbl]

I don't know... Biden is absolutely the last guy I would pick to push the progressive agenda.

It's actually really bad - the Dems might hold the house, Senate, and POTUS this November, and again (like in 2008) probably for just two years. If they get the senate, they need to govern like their hair is literally on fire because you don't know how long it's going to last. And the person we've appointed to lead us through this critically important moment in history is ... Joe Biden.

UUUUUUUUUUUUGH.

[Ruzious]

I don't know... Biden is absolutely the last guy I would pick to push the progressive agenda.

It's actually really bad - the Dems might hold the house, Senate, and POTUS this November, and again (like in 2008) probably for just two years. If they get the senate, they need to govern like their hair is literally on fire because you don't know how long it's going to last. And the person we've appointed to lead us through this critically important moment in history is ... Joe Biden.

UUUUUUUUUUUUGH.

Lol, I almost feel like I have to apologize here for being a Biden guy. But I think there's a whole lot more Biden guys then you seem to think there are. One good quality he has that probably none of the progs has shown is the ability to compromise. He also understands that when he wins, he's not going to be the King. He's going to work with the leaders in his party, and he'll do it willingly.

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[Zonkerbl]

I don't know... Biden is absolutely the last guy I would pick to push the progressive agenda.

It's actually really bad - the Dems might hold the house, Senate, and POTUS this November, and again (like in 2008) probably for just two years. If they get the senate, they need to govern like their hair is literally on fire because you don't know how long it's going to last. And the person we've appointed to lead us through this critically important moment in history is ... Joe Biden.

UUUUUUUUUUUUGH.

Lol, I almost feel like I have to apologize here for being a Biden guy. But I think there's a whole lot more Biden guys then you seem to think there are. One good quality he has that probably none of the progs has shown is the ability to compromise. He also understands that when he wins, he's not going to be the King. He's going to work with the leaders in his party, and he'll do it willingly.

It's not that I don't think there are a lot of Biden guys. It's that he's going to "compromise" by giving away the farm and accomplishing nothing. The next president has to eliminate the filibuster and slam through corruption reform, voting reform, prosecute all of Trump's corrupt toadies, pass m4a, replace RBG, add two seats to the SCOTUS, rebuild the federal government, pass a budget that drastically increases taxes on the rich (an unpopular policy with less than 50% support nationally) and slam through climate change reform, all against the GOP's stonewalling and stalling and obstruction, all in two years. And probably clean up the mess Trump made of Iran and North Korea. God knows what they've been getting away with. Oh and finally figure out a federal response to COVID.

The President that takes office in 2021 has to *literally save the world in two years.*

There is a lot to do and there needs to be a real sense of urgency, and a native understanding of what the stakes are. I *know* Kamala Harris or Cory Booker or Elizabeth Warren have this. Does Biden?

[pancakes3]

compromise is only good when: (1) there are two legitimate points of view; and (2) the other side is willing to meet you half way.

re: 1
many of these issues: climate change, corruption, covid, health care, war on drugs aren't debatable. compromising lends credibility to minority positions that are indefensible, so why even entertain it? "ok, we agree that lighting the world on fire is a bad idea, but as a concession, we'll still let you light it on fire a little bit."

re: 2
GOP has proven time and again that they won't play ball. you can't negotiate with terrorists. like, universal health care was a Republican/Romney idea and now R's act like it's a proposal straight from Satan himself.

[Ruzious]

I don't know... Biden is absolutely the last guy I would pick to push the progressive agenda.

It's actually really bad - the Dems might hold the house, Senate, and POTUS this November, and again (like in 2008) probably for just two years. If they get the senate, they need to govern like their hair is literally on fire because you don't know how long it's going to last. And the person we've appointed to lead us through this critically important moment in history is ... Joe Biden.

UUUUUUUUUUUUGH.

Lol, I almost feel like I have to apologize here for being a Biden guy. But I think there's a whole lot more Biden guys then you seem to think there are. One good quality he has that probably none of the progs has shown is the ability to compromise. He also understands that when he wins, he's not going to be the King. He's going to work with the leaders in his party, and he'll do it willingly.

It's not that I don't think there are a lot of Biden guys. It's that he's going to "compromise" by giving away the farm and accomplishing nothing. The next president has to eliminate the filibuster and slam through corruption reform, voting reform, prosecute all of Trump's corrupt toadies, pass m4a, replace RBG, add two seats to the SCOTUS, rebuild the federal government, pass a budget that drastically increases taxes on the rich (an unpopular policy with less than 50% support nationally) and slam through climate change reform, all against the GOP's stonewalling and stalling and obstruction, all in two years. And probably clean up the mess Trump made of Iran and North Korea. God knows what they've been getting away with. Oh and finally figure out a federal response to COVID.

The President that takes office in 2021 has to *literally save the world in two years.*

There is a lot to do and there needs to be a real sense of urgency, and a native understanding of what the stakes are. I *know* Kamala Harris or Cory Booker or Elizabeth Warren have this. Does Biden?

And he will almost certainly... get more positives done than any of the progressive candidates would have. And when I say compromise, I mean just as much compromising within the party! You guys should understand that by now.

[pancakes3]

major talking point during corona by conservatives was: "well what do you expect him to do? it's a china virus"

compare the 0 things that the WH did re: corona v. the things that the WH did to stamp out BLM protests.

like, didn't invoke the nat guard or military to quarantine and administer tests but did bc ppl are mad that the police is out there killing ppl needlessly.

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This is such a dumb post. The kente cloth was passed out by the congressional black caucus. This is a non issue. Also did the person that tweeted not realize the whole purpose was to propose legislation that **** protect black people from police? I’m so glad I’m not on Twitter, it seems like it’s full of reactionary idiots

[Pointgod]

I don't know... Biden is absolutely the last guy I would pick to push the progressive agenda.

It's actually really bad - the Dems might hold the house, Senate, and POTUS this November, and again (like in 2008) probably for just two years. If they get the senate, they need to govern like their hair is literally on fire because you don't know how long it's going to last. And the person we've appointed to lead us through this critically important moment in history is ... Joe Biden.

UUUUUUUUUUUUGH.

Lol, I almost feel like I have to apologize here for being a Biden guy. But I think there's a whole lot more Biden guys then you seem to think there are. One good quality he has that probably none of the progs has shown is the ability to compromise. He also understands that when he wins, he's not going to be the King. He's going to work with the leaders in his party, and he'll do it willingly.

It's not that I don't think there are a lot of Biden guys. It's that he's going to "compromise" by giving away the farm and accomplishing nothing. The next president has to eliminate the filibuster and slam through corruption reform, voting reform, prosecute all of Trump's corrupt toadies, pass m4a, replace RBG, add two seats to the SCOTUS, rebuild the federal government, pass a budget that drastically increases taxes on the rich (an unpopular policy with less than 50% support nationally) and slam through climate change reform, all against the GOP's stonewalling and stalling and obstruction, all in two years. And probably clean up the mess Trump made of Iran and North Korea. God knows what they've been getting away with. Oh and finally figure out a federal response to COVID.

The President that takes office in 2021 has to *literally save the world in two years.*

There is a lot to do and there needs to be a real sense of urgency, and a native understanding of what the stakes are. I *know* Kamala Harris or Cory Booker or Elizabeth Warren have this. Does Biden?

If Democrats retake the Senate and Presidency then there’s no reason for compromise. This is the whole point of vote blue no matter who. If you want to a Democratic President to get anything done, then they need control of all three branches of government. A lot of the reforms you’ve talked about needs to happen with the House or Senate so instead of tampering down enthusiasm for Biden, you should be doing everything you can to ensure that Democrats control all 3 branches of government. And if Obama’s Presidency proves anything it’s that the enthusiasm needs to continue for the whole term, don’t let up because there’s no way a President is going to fix all the worlds problems in even two terms.

[dckingsfan]

I don't know... Biden is absolutely the last guy I would pick to push the progressive agenda.

It's actually really bad - the Dems might hold the house, Senate, and POTUS this November, and again (like in 2008) probably for just two years. If they get the senate, they need to govern like their hair is literally on fire because you don't know how long it's going to last. And the person we've appointed to lead us through this critically important moment in history is ... Joe Biden.

UUUUUUUUUUUUGH.

Lol, I almost feel like I have to apologize here for being a Biden guy. But I think there's a whole lot more Biden guys then you seem to think there are. One good quality he has that probably none of the progs has shown is the ability to compromise. He also understands that when he wins, he's not going to be the King. He's going to work with the leaders in his party, and he'll do it willingly.

It's not that I don't think there are a lot of Biden guys. It's that he's going to "compromise" by giving away the farm and accomplishing nothing. The next president has to eliminate the filibuster and slam through corruption reform, voting reform, prosecute all of Trump's corrupt toadies, pass m4a, replace RBG, add two seats to the SCOTUS, rebuild the federal government, pass a budget that drastically increases taxes on the rich (an unpopular policy with less than 50% support nationally) and slam through climate change reform, all against the GOP's stonewalling and stalling and obstruction, all in two years. And probably clean up the mess Trump made of Iran and North Korea. God knows what they've been getting away with. Oh and finally figure out a federal response to COVID.

The President that takes office in 2021 has to *literally save the world in two years.*

There is a lot to do and there needs to be a real sense of urgency, and a native understanding of what the stakes are. I *know* Kamala Harris or Cory Booker or Elizabeth Warren have this. Does Biden?

With respect, a lot of the blocking of the agenda will be between moderate and progressive Ds. Not just the Rs (and if we take all three branches they shouldn't even be at the table given what they have done around Trump).

Would any of the above already have brought together the two parties on working committees? I don't think so... and Warren was my person.

[I_Like_Dirt]

With respect, a lot of the blocking of the agenda will be between moderate and progressive Ds. Not just the Rs (and if we take all three branches they shouldn't even be at the table given what they have done around Trump).

Would any of the above already have brought together the two parties on working committees? I don't think so... and Warren was my person.

This is where it gets muddy. Biden is a compromiser and centrist by nature. The big key is going to be how he swings. There is going to be a lot of blocking agenda on the left and the right but at some point he's going to have to really swing left and not compromise as much as he otherwise might want to. He's great for getting the Romney's and such on board and to that end he might actually be the best choice to win the election (much as it pains me to say it). What comes next matters a whole lot, though, and it's going to require a rather dramatic direction change. Whether Biden tries to water that change down or operates more as a person who can sell it better to people who are less comfortable with that kind of direction change has yet to be determined.

Warren might have come close to that cross-aisle appeal in different ways. She's not as good as Biden in that respect but she still has her strengths. She's much better than Biden at reaching in the other direction, though, and Biden is going to need her desperately for that.

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Imagine supporting this imbecile. Nate, your God Emperor is a complete ****ing idiot. Legitimately the dumbest man in our society and you worship him. Very sad.

[Ruzious]

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Imagine supporting this imbecile. Nate, your God Emperor is a complete ****ing idiot. Legitimately the dumbest man in our society and you worship him. Very sad.

I've never seen anyone lie so easily as the piece of garbage in the WH. How can anyone not see that by now? I do believe that it takes a neurological disorder for Trump to be susceptible to do that, but that doesn't mean he isn't a piece of garbage. Evil is evil.

[Zonkerbl]

When your house is on fire, when you call 911, who arrives at your house? The Fire Department. When you call 911 and you're having a heart attack, who arrives at your house? The ambulance. When you're having a mental health crisis, a violent domestic dispute, a drug overdose, a wellness check, who shows up at your house? Why doesn't a mental health expert, a domestic abuse expert, a drug addiction specialist, a social worker show up at your house instead of the cops?

[Wizardspride]

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[dckingsfan]

When your house is on fire, when you call 911, who arrives at your house? The Fire Department. When you call 911 and you're having a heart attack, who arrives at your house? The ambulance. When you're having a mental health crisis, a violent domestic dispute, a drug overdose, a wellness check, who shows up at your house? Why doesn't a mental health expert, a domestic abuse expert, a drug addiction specialist, a social worker show up at your house instead of the cops?

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