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Re: Cowley : Ime Udoka HC Frontrunner for Bulls 

Post#61 » by Red8911 » Tue Jun 9, 2020 3:28 pm

What’s going on with the bulls is Udoka or Griffin the best coaches they can bring in to build this team back to the playoffs? I would be very disappointed with them if it’s true.

They have two available coaches in Atkinson and Joerger who have actual head coaching experience and have proved themselves yet we haven’t even heard their names come up. Again I hope this isn’t true and when Boylen does get fired I really hope they at least try to get those two. I’m sorry but Udoka and Griffin can’t be the first options, bulls need real change not another puppet coach.
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Post#62 » by johnnyvann840 » Tue Jun 9, 2020 3:37 pm

I actually like him better than Griffin. He's young, articulate, intelligent. Not a stale retread. I would be happy with this hire.
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Red8911 wrote:What’s going on with the bulls is Udoka or Griffin the best coaches they can bring in to build this team back to the playoffs? I would be very disappointed with them if it’s true.

They have two available coaches in Atkinson and Joerger who have actual head coaching experience and have proved themselves yet we haven’t even heard their names come up. Again I hope this isn’t true and when Boylen does get fired I really hope they at least try to get those two. I’m sorry but Udoka and Griffin can’t be the first options, bulls need real change not another puppet coach.


Joerger has been chased off of every job he has had, he has clashed with the FO and ownership in every HC job, he gets lit into about playing vets over young guys and not developing them enough and that's the coach you want to bring in for a young rebuilding team?

I will never understand the fascination with Joerger.

This team needs a new blood HC. People keep harping on wanting an experienced guy but the need is someone who will fit in and mesh with the FO in a shared vision.
That's usually a brand new HC.

More importantly, there are several teams around the NBA that hold each of Udoka and Griffin in high regards.
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Post#64 » by Red8911 » Tue Jun 9, 2020 6:49 pm

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Red8911 wrote:What’s going on with the bulls is Udoka or Griffin the best coaches they can bring in to build this team back to the playoffs? I would be very disappointed with them if it’s true.

They have two available coaches in Atkinson and Joerger who have actual head coaching experience and have proved themselves yet we haven’t even heard their names come up. Again I hope this isn’t true and when Boylen does get fired I really hope they at least try to get those two. I’m sorry but Udoka and Griffin can’t be the first options, bulls need real change not another puppet coach.


Joerger has been chased off of every job he has had, he has clashed with the FO and ownership in every HC job, he gets lit into about playing vets over young guys and not developing them enough and that's the coach you want to bring in for a young rebuilding team?

I will never understand the fascination with Joerger.

This team needs a new blood HC. People keep harping on wanting an experienced guy but the need is someone who will fit in and mesh with the FO in a shared vision.
That's usually a brand new HC.

More importantly, there are several teams around the NBA that hold each of Udoka and Griffin in high regards.
Joerger has done a very good job coaching for both Memphis and Sacramento. The Kings were playing pretty well last year and then the kings all of a sudden decided to fire him. I read Divac just didn’t like him, this happens all the time between front office/coaches but doesn’t mean Joerger did a bad job and deserved to get fired.

Then the whole not playing young guys is a bit overstretched and divac used that as an excuse to fire him. Sure he wanted young guys to earn minutes but doesn’t mean he benched who ever was young. Bagley was the main reason this is even talked about, he brought him off the bench but the team was playing well. Fox was a 2 year player too I believe and he was a full time starter.

Kings made a terrible decision to fire him and look what happened to them now, they took a major step back. Right now Joerger is the hottest name for an available coach and Bulls would be smart to hire him. Besides if you’re worried about development the bulls have nothing but young players anyway, that’s their core. Also isn’t the goal to start winning games and make the playoffs next season? It’s time for Reinsdorf to pay and get us the best coach available.
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Post#65 » by MrFortune3 » Tue Jun 9, 2020 7:08 pm

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Red8911 wrote:What’s going on with the bulls is Udoka or Griffin the best coaches they can bring in to build this team back to the playoffs? I would be very disappointed with them if it’s true.

They have two available coaches in Atkinson and Joerger who have actual head coaching experience and have proved themselves yet we haven’t even heard their names come up. Again I hope this isn’t true and when Boylen does get fired I really hope they at least try to get those two. I’m sorry but Udoka and Griffin can’t be the first options, bulls need real change not another puppet coach.


Joerger has been chased off of every job he has had, he has clashed with the FO and ownership in every HC job, he gets lit into about playing vets over young guys and not developing them enough and that's the coach you want to bring in for a young rebuilding team?

I will never understand the fascination with Joerger.

This team needs a new blood HC. People keep harping on wanting an experienced guy but the need is someone who will fit in and mesh with the FO in a shared vision.
That's usually a brand new HC.

More importantly, there are several teams around the NBA that hold each of Udoka and Griffin in high regards.
Joerger has done a very good job coaching for both Memphis and Sacramento. The Kings were playing pretty well last year and then the kings all of a sudden decided to fire him. I read Divac just didn’t like him, this happens all the time between front office/coaches but doesn’t mean Joerger did a bad job and deserved to get fired.

Then the whole not playing young guys is a bit overstretched and divac used that as an excuse to fire him. Sure he wanted young guys to earn minutes but doesn’t mean he benched who ever was young. Bagley was the main reason this is even talked about, he brought him off the bench but the team was playing well. Fox was a 2 year player too I believe and he was a full time starter.

Kings made a terrible decision to fire him and look what happened to them now, they took a major step back. Right now Joerger is the hottest name for an available coach and Bulls would be smart to hire him. Besides if you’re worried about development the bulls have nothing but young players anyway, that’s their core. Also isn’t the goal to start winning games and make the playoffs next season? It’s time for Reinsdorf to pay and get us the best coach available.


Nah, that was the claim in Memphis too. He clashed with the FO, then he went to Sacramento and he clashed with the FO and claimed Brandon Williams was out to get him.

That is not the type of coach you bring in to coach this team, especially not with the culture they have said they intend to install here.

He's not the hottest anything.
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Post#66 » by cjbulls » Tue Jun 9, 2020 7:29 pm

I'm happy with either Udoka or Griff, I just want them to get it done ASAP so the long Boylen nightmare can be over.
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Post#67 » by PrimzyBulls81 » Tue Jun 9, 2020 7:48 pm

Red8911 wrote:What’s going on with the bulls is Udoka or Griffin the best coaches they can bring in to build this team back to the playoffs? I would be very disappointed with them if it’s true.

They have two available coaches in Atkinson and Joerger who have actual head coaching experience and have proved themselves yet we haven’t even heard their names come up. Again I hope this isn’t true and when Boylen does get fired I really hope they at least try to get those two. I’m sorry but Udoka and Griffin can’t be the first options, bulls need real change not another puppet coach.


Are you kidding me? Come on, man.. We should be really happy with either one of those two young upcoming guys.
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Post#68 » by SfBull » Tue Jun 9, 2020 8:54 pm

Udoka apparently has experience in player development which is exactly what Eversley emphasized in his first interview as Bulls GM so that's obviously good news .
A new FO,a new coach ,a completely different strategy , everything is fine for me.
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Post#70 » by johnnyvann840 » Tue Jun 9, 2020 9:09 pm

SfBull wrote:Udoka apparently has experience in player development which is exactly what Eversley emphasized in his first interview as Bulls GM so that's obviously good news .
A new FO,a new coach ,a completely different strategy , everything is fine for me.


After listening to a couple of interviews with Udoka, I am sold. He really understands that even in today's game if you want to get to the highest level, defense is very important. I really like his emphasis on playing both ends of the floor with intensity and effort and I like his philosophy on defense. He really seems to understand how important intelligence and basketball IQ is when it comes to winning. ICE is "PUSH".. lol
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Post#71 » by SfBull » Tue Jun 9, 2020 9:19 pm

johnnyvann840 wrote:
SfBull wrote:Udoka apparently has experience in player development which is exactly what Eversley emphasized in his first interview as Bulls GM so that's obviously good news .
A new FO,a new coach ,a completely different strategy , everything is fine for me.


After listening to a couple of interviews with Udoka, I am sold. He really understands that even in today's game if you want to get to the highest level, defense is very important. I really like his emphasis on playing both ends of the floor with intensity and effort and I like his philosophy on defense. He really seems to understand how important intelligence and basketball IQ is when it comes to winning. ICE is "PUSH".. lol

I really like the idea of a rebuilding from the scratch,this was exactly what I wanted as a fan.
I'm not worried about Udoka( or Griffin) being a first year coach, actually he can be much better for a young roster who needs to be developed.
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Post#72 » by Red8911 » Tue Jun 9, 2020 9:28 pm

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Red8911 wrote:What’s going on with the bulls is Udoka or Griffin the best coaches they can bring in to build this team back to the playoffs? I would be very disappointed with them if it’s true.

They have two available coaches in Atkinson and Joerger who have actual head coaching experience and have proved themselves yet we haven’t even heard their names come up. Again I hope this isn’t true and when Boylen does get fired I really hope they at least try to get those two. I’m sorry but Udoka and Griffin can’t be the first options, bulls need real change not another puppet coach.


Are you kidding me? Come on, man.. We should be really happy with either one of those two young upcoming guys.
You can be happy if they get one of them. I won’t, I think it’s a perfect opportunity to hire an experienced head coach for once. I’m sick of the bulls taking chances like they did with Hoiberg and Boylen. I want to see them make the playoffs!

Do you even know anything about Udoka to say you want him other than he’s an assistant coach and is black? I bet 90% here didn’t even know Udoka existed a month ago. Same with AK, everyone is so excited but don’t even know who the hell he is lol.
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Post#73 » by Red8911 » Tue Jun 9, 2020 9:31 pm

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johnnyvann840 wrote:
SfBull wrote:Udoka apparently has experience in player development which is exactly what Eversley emphasized in his first interview as Bulls GM so that's obviously good news .
A new FO,a new coach ,a completely different strategy , everything is fine for me.


After listening to a couple of interviews with Udoka, I am sold. He really understands that even in today's game if you want to get to the highest level, defense is very important. I really like his emphasis on playing both ends of the floor with intensity and effort and I like his philosophy on defense. He really seems to understand how important intelligence and basketball IQ is when it comes to winning. ICE is "PUSH".. lol

I really like the idea of a rebuilding from the scratch,this was exactly what I wanted as a fan.
I'm not worried about Udoka( or Griffin) being a first year coach, actually he can be much better for a young roster who needs to be developed.
:clap:
If they want to rebuild from scratch or tank then sure Griffin is fine or anyone really, could even keep Boylen. I really hope they don’t take that route again though.
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Post#74 » by MrFortune3 » Tue Jun 9, 2020 10:10 pm

Red8911 wrote:
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johnnyvann840 wrote:
After listening to a couple of interviews with Udoka, I am sold. He really understands that even in today's game if you want to get to the highest level, defense is very important. I really like his emphasis on playing both ends of the floor with intensity and effort and I like his philosophy on defense. He really seems to understand how important intelligence and basketball IQ is when it comes to winning. ICE is "PUSH".. lol

I really like the idea of a rebuilding from the scratch,this was exactly what I wanted as a fan.
I'm not worried about Udoka( or Griffin) being a first year coach, actually he can be much better for a young roster who needs to be developed.
:clap:
If they want to rebuild from scratch or tank then sure Griffin is fine or anyone really, could even keep Boylen. I really hope they don’t take that route again though.


AK and Evs have made it clear that the priority is development, building through the draft and ensuring that the young players have the right coach. That means a complete rebuild from top to bottom, that doesn't mean tanking.
We are going to be a bad team but the idea is to develop guys and allow the fans to see them grow before their eyes and know we're on the right path.

This is not a situation where we are going to be back in the playoffs next year. The roster still have massive issues to address.
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Post#75 » by HomoSapien » Tue Jun 9, 2020 10:27 pm

Red8911 wrote:
PrimzyBulls81 wrote:
Red8911 wrote:What’s going on with the bulls is Udoka or Griffin the best coaches they can bring in to build this team back to the playoffs? I would be very disappointed with them if it’s true.

They have two available coaches in Atkinson and Joerger who have actual head coaching experience and have proved themselves yet we haven’t even heard their names come up. Again I hope this isn’t true and when Boylen does get fired I really hope they at least try to get those two. I’m sorry but Udoka and Griffin can’t be the first options, bulls need real change not another puppet coach.


Are you kidding me? Come on, man.. We should be really happy with either one of those two young upcoming guys.
You can be happy if they get one of them. I won’t, I think it’s a perfect opportunity to hire an experienced head coach for once. I’m sick of the bulls taking chances like they did with Hoiberg and Boylen. I want to see them make the playoffs!

Do you even know anything about Udoka to say you want him other than he’s an assistant coach and is black? I bet 90% here didn’t even know Udoka existed a month ago. Same with AK, everyone is so excited but don’t even know who the hell he is lol.


If you're a basketball fan, then you've known for a long time that Udoka and Griffin have long been praised for being incredibly smart and cerebral former players who would one day make great head coaches.
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Post#76 » by kodo » Tue Jun 9, 2020 10:42 pm

Udoka or Griffin landing a HC job would be one of the least surprising and most overdue moves in the NBA for years. And even though it's not a sexy or exciting move sometimes with a young team the best thing is to make sound, conservative decisions and have stability and competence in the org.

There's almost no chance either would have no idea how to run a game, timeouts, or rotations. Something we always ran into because the FO loved our inexperienced HC gambles.
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Post#77 » by SfBull » Tue Jun 9, 2020 11:37 pm

Red8911 wrote:
PrimzyBulls81 wrote:
Red8911 wrote:What’s going on with the bulls is Udoka or Griffin the best coaches they can bring in to build this team back to the playoffs? I would be very disappointed with them if it’s true.

They have two available coaches in Atkinson and Joerger who have actual head coaching experience and have proved themselves yet we haven’t even heard their names come up. Again I hope this isn’t true and when Boylen does get fired I really hope they at least try to get those two. I’m sorry but Udoka and Griffin can’t be the first options, bulls need real change not another puppet coach.


Are you kidding me? Come on, man.. We should be really happy with either one of those two young upcoming guys.
You can be happy if they get one of them. I won’t, I think it’s a perfect opportunity to hire an experienced head coach for once. I’m sick of the bulls taking chances like they did with Hoiberg and Boylen. I want to see them make the playoffs!

Do you even know anything about Udoka to say you want him other than he’s an assistant coach and is black? I bet 90% here didn’t even know Udoka existed a month ago. Same with AK, everyone is so excited but don’t even know who the hell he is lol.

You see what many frustrating years can do for a diehard fan :D .I like the idea of a total revamping, I'll let the new guys make their choices before bashing them, I'd never have this patience with Garpax just because I didn't believe in their work and coaches hired by them after firing Thibs( even believing that Thibs' time was over when he left but I was rooting for Garpax going with him ).But this is a completely new situation so I'll keep optimistic about it.
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Post#78 » by SfBull » Tue Jun 9, 2020 11:42 pm

MrFortune3 wrote:
Red8911 wrote:
SfBull wrote:I really like the idea of a rebuilding from the scratch,this was exactly what I wanted as a fan.
I'm not worried about Udoka( or Griffin) being a first year coach, actually he can be much better for a young roster who needs to be developed.
:clap:
If they want to rebuild from scratch or tank then sure Griffin is fine or anyone really, could even keep Boylen. I really hope they don’t take that route again though.



AK and Evs have made it clear that the priority is development, building through the draft and ensuring that the young players have the right coach. That means a complete rebuild from top to bottom, that doesn't mean tanking.
We are going to be a bad team but the idea is to develop guys and allow the fans to see them grow before their eyes and know we're on the right path.

This is not a situation where we are going to be back in the playoffs next year. The roster still have massive issues to address.

The reality is that we wouldn't go to the playoffs with this roster anyway so focusing on developing young players is a just a realistic way to return to the playoffs in a near future.
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Post#79 » by BigUps » Wed Jun 10, 2020 12:15 am

The two best coaches we've had in recent years were Phil Jackson and Tom Thibodeau. Both of them had no experience as a head coach. Boylen, VDN, Hoiberg, etc also didn't have head coaching experience.

Its a crapshoot. It can end up well or awful.
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Post#80 » by MrFortune3 » Wed Jun 10, 2020 12:25 am

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MrFortune3 wrote:
Red8911 wrote: If they want to rebuild from scratch or tank then sure Griffin is fine or anyone really, could even keep Boylen. I really hope they don’t take that route again though.



AK and Evs have made it clear that the priority is development, building through the draft and ensuring that the young players have the right coach. That means a complete rebuild from top to bottom, that doesn't mean tanking.
We are going to be a bad team but the idea is to develop guys and allow the fans to see them grow before their eyes and know we're on the right path.

This is not a situation where we are going to be back in the playoffs next year. The roster still have massive issues to address.

The reality is that we wouldn't go to the playoffs with this roster anyway so focusing on developing young players is a just a realistic way to return to the playoffs in a near future.


I know. We have a roster that needs to be groomed and developed for 2 seasons from now.

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