2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 5) -LOTTO 8/25 DRAFT 10/15!

[newyorker4ever]

No it wasn't. His shooting was amongst the best in the nation. He was terrible driving inside but that was mainly due to running into walls that were built down there because of lack of spacing on the UNC team. He had trouble finishing around multiple defenders in the paint but his aggressiveness still earned him plenty of trips to the line, almost 6 per game. Those opportunities to finish in the paint should get much better in the NBA as long as he gets proper floor spacing.

i was talking about the overall FG%. thank you for making the distinction. i know the kid has a good looking jump shot.

i would think his ability to get into the paint would be less at the NBA level. but, i think he could thrive in an environment like you describe. if the lanes are there, he's dangerous.

i do still have concerns about his passing.

i remember being VERY excited about him before the NCAA season.

which one of you did this?

https://empiresportsmedia.com/new-york-knicks/new-york-knicks-projected-starting-five-with-cole-anthony-at-point-guard/

P.Milsap at SF.....Ummmmmmm no thanks. I do love Milsap but he's like 35-36 now and he's not a SF.

[newyorker4ever]

Tbh I think I’d rather have someone like Nico Mannion with our late first round pick for a PG than take Cole Anthony with our first pick. Anthony has some intriguing tools from the things I’ve seen but I really didn’t like much at all that I saw from him at UNC.

Personally if we go PG with our first pick, I’d only want LaMelo (obviously need luck). Hayes, Haliburton, and Cole are interesting and all have things that are intriguing but I think we could find better value because this team needs just about everything so I wouldn’t be locked in at PG necessarily although I’d love to get a good one whether it was Lamelo or one of those guys actually pan out well

I agree that they shouldn't be focusing on just PG with the lottery pick and this draft has a ton of PG's in it that have plenty of talent. I have no issue drafting a player for any position (even Wiseman) with that lottery pick and then just draft a PG with the Clippers pick or Charlotte pick or double down and draft a PG with both picks or even use both picks to trade into the middle of the 1st round and grab a K.Lewis or RJ Hampton or T.Maledon or whoever we like.

[malik959]

Lamelo Ball shot 37% from the field 25% from 3 and 72% from the FT line but his supporters want to talk about Cole Anthony's efficiency

LMAO

So true, people that scream about Anthony's efficiency turn around and say LaMelo will improve.

I don't think people would be screaming if Cole had even passable play making ability. His game is more flawed and that gives him more to learn/overcome.

Are you saying that he doesn't have that effort to to put in work to improve, because from what I remember he came back from a major injury in a matter of a month because of his work ethic.

[Strick]

Tbh I think I’d rather have someone like Nico Mannion with our late first round pick for a PG than take Cole Anthony with our first pick. Anthony has some intriguing tools from the things I’ve seen but I really didn’t like much at all that I saw from him at UNC.

Personally if we go PG with our first pick, I’d only want LaMelo (obviously need luck). Hayes, Haliburton, and Cole are interesting and all have things that are intriguing but I think we could find better value because this team needs just about everything so I wouldn’t be locked in at PG necessarily although I’d love to get a good one whether it was Lamelo or one of those guys actually pan out well

I agree that they shouldn't be focusing on just PG with the lottery pick and this draft has a ton of PG's in it that have plenty of talent. I have no issue drafting a player for any position (even Wiseman) with that lottery pick and then just draft a PG with the Clippers pick or Charlotte pick or double down and draft a PG with both picks or even use both picks to trade into the middle of the 1st round and grab a K.Lewis or RJ Hampton or T.Maledon or whoever we like.

Kira Lewis seems intriguing. I only watched him live once and seen a couple clips from early in the year. He kind of has a poor mans Fox type of game it seemed like to be. Probably a better jumper though. Yeah, I think there are enough guys that we could take with that second 1st that we shouldn’t limit ourselves to only taking PG.

Lewis would be stretch to fall into our laps with our second 1st though no? I need to get more up to date with rankings and everything. If not I’d be thrilled with a pick late that at the end of the first... tbh I think he would be more than worth considering taking over the other PGs not named LaMelo Ball

[HEZI]

https://zonecoverage.com/2020/podcasts/dane-moore-nba-podcast-jordan-taylor-on-his-teammate-theo-maledon-killian-hayes-film-review-w-will-deberg/

Good listen. BricKillian Hayes former teammate doesn't even think he's much better than Theo Maledon.

In 20 games before the Eurocup (not even EuroLeague but a weaker class of teams in which Hayes lead his team to a 1-10 record) BricKillian shot 22% from 3 on 2.75 attempts and made 0.6 three per game



BricKillian wasn't even his teams top scorer, they were lead by Zoran Dragic (Goran's brother).

Yeah so gonna have to say hard pass on this kid he aint it. Whoever wants to make the mistake of taking him at the top of the draft can go on and do so but Knicks can't afford to be that team. Do not need a Julius Randle type of shooter from the PG position, the team can only have so many lefties who can't shoot.

Dude doesn't even think Hayes is as good of a prospect as Sekou Doumbouya

[RHODEY]

So true, people that scream about Anthony's efficiency turn around and say LaMelo will improve.

I don't think people would be screaming if Cole had even passable play making ability. His game is more flawed and that gives him more to learn/overcome.

Are you saying that he doesn't have that effort to to put in work to improve, because from what I remember he came back from a major injury in a matter of a month because of his work ethic.

No, I think he's a dog. It one of the things I like about him. But there are certain qualities you can't teach past a certain point. Mainly his court vision and anticipation . I don't want a guy whose ceiling is just fair in those areas. He just doesn't give you enough in other areas for me get excited about him.

[3toheadmelo]

[RHODEY]

If we get the forth pick and they try to bend us over for Lamelo...we should just pick this kid....he's gonna be special..book it!

[HEZI]

He just basically admitted it himself that if he stayed in the US he wouldn't be a top prospect because he's not unique enough to stand out. He only went to a trash team overseaseas so he can stand out because they all bums over there.

LMAO

[3toheadmelo]

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[HEZI]

That moment when you realise 9 points for Cole is a bad game but it's 2 points away from BriKillian's season average

[RHODEY]

:lol:

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"2nd percentile" gets owned by cat that is projected to be in the 2nd round.

[HEZI]

My dude literally said I had to go to a league where doing a crossover and a dunk is unique

Even in that league he couldn't shine as the leading scorer

Standards!

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[HarthorneWingo]

That moment when you realise 9 points for Cole is a bad game but it's 2 points away from BriKillian's season average

I'm with you on most of your calls but not on Cole. I don't see it. I don't see the decision making, I don't like his need for ball dominance, and I'm not sold on his shooting.

C'mon, let's get back to 'bout Halliburton.

[Knicksfan1992]

If you think Cole is a bad defender, then you're not watching the games correctly... Fantastic off the ball. Has really good instincts. The offense not ever becoming consistent is the most worrying thing about him but I'd still have him in my top 5 if you put a gun in my head. Functional athleticism, comfort shooting off the dribble and off the catch, ball handling ability are all there IMO.

Stop trying to make Deni, Vassell and these other role player at best prospects happen... save yourselves the trouble. This draft sucks mostly and the rose color glasses are starting to come out for guys who don't deserve them. Swing big and if you miss... oh well next year's draft is WAYYY better anyway.

[Fat]

Cole was put in a position where he had to be a scorer at NC. The playmaking side was never put up for display it’s a bit of an unknown. The numbers say he’s a bum playmaker but I don’t think that alone tells the whole story.

& NC did start out with a Winning record with Cole on the floor and stumbled into a losing record when he was out so Idk You can’t really put it all on his individual talent.

[HEZI]

That moment when you realise 9 points for Cole is a bad game but it's 2 points away from BriKillian's season average

I'm with you on most of your calls but not on Cole. I don't see it. I don't see the decision making, I don't like his need for ball dominance, and I'm not sold on his shooting.

C'mon, let's get back to 'bout Halliburton.

Cole is a way better scorer than Haliburton that's why he's ahead of him. Haliburton is a fall back option. He's a system player and we don't even have a system or even a head coach. Would be nice to snatch both and run a two guard lineup with two of the best catch and shoot guards in the draft. Have RJ operate more inside the line. Dump Randle somewhere far from the Knicks.

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Hayes is one of my favorites I like his style I can’t say this is a Cinderella pick for us though

RJ & Hayes are both left hand dominant players with little to No right hand, both like to operate on the left side of the floor, neither guy is good at catch and shoot and both need the rock

Hayes does have good free throw % and Strong midrange game so I’ll give him that. He just needs to extend his range and become a better off ball player.

[Fat]

Lamelo is the Knicks best chance at getting a star point guard though. even if the shooting needs to be improved he still comes with an elite playmaking package equipped with elite handles / floor IQ and has the ability to create with or without a pick and roll. That type of dynamic will get Knicks plenty open looks on the floor that they desperately need and he can do it decisively.

Part of the reason we were trash at shooting is because we never had any rhythm out there no real floor general that can create the necessary looks.