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Post#1441 » by The Maestro » Wed Jun 10, 2020 8:00 pm

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wco81 wrote:But he made key contributions while he was here.

Of course there were HB haters back then too.

Obviously a couple of NBA teams thought he was worth a good starter level salary.

If the Warriors are able to draft a player who can be played 25-30 minutes over the course of his rookie deal, they can't be too unhappy about that.

Of course better if they get a start out of this draft class but there are questions about the talent levels of the class.

There's plenty of starters in this draft class. Where this class lacks is star level projections.


Edwards, Wiseman and Ball have enough talent and athleticism to be stars. Will they get there? Who knows but the tools are there. I’m sure someone besides them will be an all star and maybe even better but this guys have the highest ceilings and the most trade value which is why the W’s should take one of them.
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Post#1442 » by The Maestro » Wed Jun 10, 2020 8:23 pm

Dream scenario is Dubs get #1 and the Knicks and maybe the Pistons get top 3-4 and want LaMelo bad and give up a future #1 to move up for him. Dubs swap picks and get Wiseman or Edwards plus a future pick to throw in a Giannis trade.
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Post#1443 » by shazam_guy » Wed Jun 10, 2020 8:38 pm

I'm still not sold on Edwards. Volume shooters on bad teams often have impressive numbers, despite getting more defensive coverage. He shot less than 30 percent on 3s. I'm not saying he won't be a good player, but how he became the consensus "likely best pro" is a little bit of a mystery to me.
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Post#1444 » by BballIntellect » Wed Jun 10, 2020 8:50 pm

Edwards isn't the consensus best pro.
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Post#1445 » by wco81 » Wed Jun 10, 2020 8:53 pm

Shot under 30% on 7.7 3PA but shot 50% on 8.1 2PA?

So does he get to the rim a lot or midrange shots?

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/anthony-edwards-2.html
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Post#1446 » by Warriors Analyst » Wed Jun 10, 2020 9:12 pm

wco81 wrote:Shot under 30% on 7.7 3PA but shot 50% on 8.1 2PA?

So does he get to the rim a lot or midrange shots?

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/anthony-edwards-2.html


I watched a scouting breakdown on him and he can definitely get to the hoop. Shades of Oladipo in terms of the body type and the strength/explosiveness that allows him to bully his way to the hoop when multiple bodies are in the paint. You'd imagine that he'd have more space to operate in this system, especially if he gets to play with Steph and Klay. The three point percentage is definitely concerning as are his diet of shots, but I suppose there is an argument to be made that his team was awful, which led him to take lots of threes off of the dribble and contested 2's, but I don't know if I buy that. The thing that concerned me watching the video was the form on his jumper. In catch and shoot looks his body twists to the left as he follows through. It did go in a fair amount, but it doesn't look fundamentally sound.
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Post#1447 » by azwfan » Wed Jun 10, 2020 10:18 pm

The Maestro wrote:Dream scenario is Dubs get #1 and the Knicks and maybe the Pistons get top 3-4 and want LaMelo bad and give up a future #1 to move up for him. Dubs swap picks and get Wiseman or Edwards plus a future pick to throw in a Giannis trade.

I'd be happy with just about any of the top 5 guys after a trade down (where we net a future 1st). But can already see myself be disappointed in whoever we draft if we did not trade down.

Edwards: Not sold on his shooting
LaMelo: Do. Not. Want. (shooting, defense, attitude)
Wiseman: Barely played in college
Toppin: Old and not a defender
Haliburton: Looks frail

Not super excited about any of them, but I'd be satisfied with any of them (LaMelo the least) if we were adding them to the club with a future 1st... especially a future first that may be decent.
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Post#1448 » by wco81 » Wed Jun 10, 2020 11:05 pm

Doubtful you would get a top 5 pick and a future first just for that other team to move up a few spots to #1.

Can’t assume Knicks can be that easily swindled.
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Post#1449 » by The Maestro » Wed Jun 10, 2020 11:24 pm

wco81 wrote:Doubtful you would get a top 5 pick and a future first just for that other team to move up a few spots to #1.

Can’t assume Knicks can be that easily swindled.


NY is absolutely starved for a star and some electricity in that organization and, agree or not, Ball will bring that to them. They might not give up a 2021 pick but I could see maybe getting a 2022 or 2023 pick from them. They might be just desperate enough. And that extra pick would be huge in any deal for Giannis.
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Post#1450 » by KevinMcreynolds » Wed Jun 10, 2020 11:27 pm

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wco81 wrote:Shot under 30% on 7.7 3PA but shot 50% on 8.1 2PA?

So does he get to the rim a lot or midrange shots?

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/anthony-edwards-2.html


I watched a scouting breakdown on him and he can definitely get to the hoop. Shades of Oladipo in terms of the body type and the strength/explosiveness that allows him to bully his way to the hoop when multiple bodies are in the paint. You'd imagine that he'd have more space to operate in this system, especially if he gets to play with Steph and Klay. The three point percentage is definitely concerning as are his diet of shots, but I suppose there is an argument to be made that his team was awful, which led him to take lots of threes off of the dribble and contested 2's, but I don't know if I buy that. The thing that concerned me watching the video was the form on his jumper. In catch and shoot looks his body twists to the left as he follows through. It did go in a fair amount, but it doesn't look fundamentally sound.


It’s hard to get a read on these one and done guys that know they’re going to be a top 3 pick. It was obvious dude didn’t give a **** about college ball and mailed it in.
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Post#1451 » by azwfan » Thu Jun 11, 2020 4:16 am

wco81 wrote:Doubtful you would get a top 5 pick and a future first just for that other team to move up a few spots to #1.

Can’t assume Knicks can be that easily swindled.

Teams that I could see making an aggressive move up:
CHA, NYK, DET, NO (if they got #4)

NY, CHA, and DET are starved for a star.

NO has a plethora of draft equity and young players that they may be willing to throw some stuff together to get a specific player... though I wouldn't consider them starved and I would think they'd be more "looking for a deal" than aggressively trying to move up.

I honestly think NY and CHA are the best bets. Those teams need to get their fans excited and #1 overall would absolutely do that (even though there isn't a generational talent in this one).

Having said that, we only got a 14% shot at #1 so I should probably be more in the mindset of accepting which of the 5 guys we'll end up with or starting to like guys in the next tier down. (I do like Okoro, Okongwu, and Hayes).
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Post#1452 » by BballIntellect » Thu Jun 11, 2020 1:49 pm

You know the Knicks, Hornets and Pistons are going to try to get Lamelo. Hopefully we get the first pick.
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Post#1453 » by TB » Thu Jun 11, 2020 4:14 pm

If no trades are made, my big board for our 1st pick (top 5 since thats as low as we can go):

Wiseman
Okongwu
Okoro
Pokusevski
Haliburton

Which means if I was GM i'm assuming we would end up with Okongwu or Okoro, with one of them likely still there at 5. Probably a tad on the "safe pick" spectrum, but we'd be getting a good player.

2nd rounders are tough because who knows what players will be available, but in every scenario I find myself hoping we end up with Nate Hinton.
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Post#1454 » by ChuckDurn » Thu Jun 11, 2020 6:41 pm

TB wrote:If no trades are made, my big board for our 1st pick (top 5 since thats as low as we can go):

Wiseman
Okongwu
Okoro
Pokusevski
Haliburton

Which means if I was GM i'm assuming we would end up with Okongwu or Okoro, with one of them likely still there at 5. Probably a tad on the "safe pick" spectrum, but we'd be getting a good player.

2nd rounders are tough because who knows what players will be available, but in every scenario I find myself hoping we end up with Nate Hinton.

My top 5 (not specific order) is:
Wiseman
Edwards
Okoro
Okongwu
Hayes

I put Haliburton and Avdija just outside my top 5.

I’m not sure what to do with Pokusevski...... haven’t seen much of him, seems like a high likelihood of “star or bust”, with not much in-between......
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Re: 2020 Draft Thread 

Post#1455 » by The Maestro » Thu Jun 11, 2020 7:10 pm

**Players in no specific order**

Drafting for trade value
Ball
Wiseman
Edwards
Onkongwu

Keeping the pick
Wiseman
Edwards
Halliburton
Okongwu
Vassell

Trading down to low lottery or out of lottery
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Post#1456 » by vagelis » Thu Jun 11, 2020 7:16 pm

My top 3 is

Wiseman
Edwards
Lamelo

I think that the best player and the best fit for Warriors is Wiseman.
He is the most athletic big I have seen the last many years.
He is strong, he has hoops but he is also very fast and quick.
I think he can be an excellent defender right away and he can have a lot of easy points with lobs.
I see him as a bigger(3 inches taller) and stronger version of Marquess Chriss.

The other players will come from the bench for Warriors but Wiseman can start right away and contribute.
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Post#1457 » by The Maestro » Thu Jun 11, 2020 7:20 pm

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Post#1458 » by cdubbz » Thu Jun 11, 2020 7:22 pm

vagelis wrote:My top 3 is

Wiseman
Edwards
Lamelo

I think that the best player and the best fit for Warriors is Wiseman.
He is the most athletic big I have seen the last many years.
He is strong, he has hoops but he is also very fast and quick.
I think he can be an excellent defender right away and he can have a lot of easy points with lobs.
I see him as a bigger(3 inches taller) and stronger version of Marquess Chriss.

The other players will come from the bench for Warriors but Wiseman can start right away and contribute.



If we land the 3rd pick and somehow Edwards, Wiseman go 1 & 2 I wonder if we got with Lamelo Ball or not.
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Post#1459 » by CaliWG » Thu Jun 11, 2020 7:43 pm

cdubbz wrote:
vagelis wrote:My top 3 is

Wiseman
Edwards
Lamelo

I think that the best player and the best fit for Warriors is Wiseman.
He is the most athletic big I have seen the last many years.
He is strong, he has hoops but he is also very fast and quick.
I think he can be an excellent defender right away and he can have a lot of easy points with lobs.
I see him as a bigger(3 inches taller) and stronger version of Marquess Chriss.

The other players will come from the bench for Warriors but Wiseman can start right away and contribute.



If we land the 3rd pick and somehow Edwards, Wiseman go 1 & 2 I wonder if we got with Lamelo Ball or not.


That is a prime trade back scenario. There are 3 or 4 teams that would love to have Ball. Getting a pick swap plus either an addition 1st or a quality rotational piece with the TPE would be a solid outcome in that scenario. I like the idea of Haliburton+Nesmith as they both have skills that allow them to contribute immediately, but they can also be part of a young core with Paschall, Wiggins & the '21/'22 Minnesota pick.
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Post#1460 » by vagelis » Thu Jun 11, 2020 8:25 pm

cdubbz wrote:
vagelis wrote:My top 3 is

Wiseman
Edwards
Lamelo

I think that the best player and the best fit for Warriors is Wiseman.
He is the most athletic big I have seen the last many years.
He is strong, he has hoops but he is also very fast and quick.
I think he can be an excellent defender right away and he can have a lot of easy points with lobs.
I see him as a bigger(3 inches taller) and stronger version of Marquess Chriss.

The other players will come from the bench for Warriors but Wiseman can start right away and contribute.



If we land the 3rd pick and somehow Edwards, Wiseman go 1 & 2 I wonder if we got with Lamelo Ball or not.


In my opinion Lamelo is a talented player and a better player than his brother Lonzo.
But he will not find starting minutes for the Warriors for the next years if they draft him.
I don't know what is better in the case that you mention. Draft him and trade him or pass him and get a less talented player in a position of need? Or draft him and develop him in order to start in 2 years?
It is a question for me too, the organization should know better

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