2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 5) -LOTTO 8/25 DRAFT 10/15!

Jay10 · Post #1221 » by **Jay10** » Thu Jun 11, 2020 9:57 pm

Gravy wrote:
HEZI wrote:

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Donovan Mitchell vibes from Cole

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I get Dennis Smith Jr vibes every time i watch his highlights.

aggo · Post #1222 » by **aggo** » Thu Jun 11, 2020 10:03 pm

Jay10 wrote:
Gravy wrote:
HEZI wrote:

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Donovan Mitchell vibes from Cole

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I get Dennis Smith Jr vibes every time i watch his highlights.

stop falling for workout videos.

the tape doesnt lie. he sucks at finishing at the rim and isn't an explosive athlete down the lane.

knickstape21 · Post #1223 » by **knickstape21** » Thu Jun 11, 2020 10:39 pm

moocow007 wrote:Okongwu is more than just a rim runner. Much more. I'm not sure if folks have really watched him play a whole lot. Yes, he can run and dunk but he wouldn't be turning many teams and scouts on like Pam Anderson when she was still in her prime if all he was was a rim running athlete. From a pure skill, feel and fluidity standpoint he's better than Bam Adebayo and Mitch Robinson.

Could not disagree more.

knickstape21 · Post #1224 » by **knickstape21** » Thu Jun 11, 2020 10:43 pm

aggo wrote:
Jay10 wrote:
Gravy wrote:Donovan Mitchell vibes from Cole

Watch on YouTube

I get Dennis Smith Jr vibes every time i watch his highlights.

stop falling for workout videos.

the tape doesnt lie. he sucks at finishing at the rim and isn't an explosive athlete down the lane.

Agreed. Have we seen him rise up and slam it in traffic? Very choppy/blocky when driving. Barrels into people instead of slides through like Trae Young does.

Really tough to tell with him. Leaning pass. We can do better.

HEZI · Post #1225 » by **HEZI** » Fri Jun 12, 2020 12:04 am

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WargamesX · Post #1226 » by **WargamesX** » Fri Jun 12, 2020 12:28 am

knickstape21 wrote:

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I like Kira Lewis, but it’s clear who the more impactful player is...

Let’em know

malik959 · Post #1227 » by **malik959** » Fri Jun 12, 2020 12:34 am

knickstape21 wrote:

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I like Kira Lewis, but it’s clear who the more impactful player is...

Like I said before, Haliburton put them clamps on Lewis, had them boys shook. Haliburton gives the same type of passing as Melo (not as flashy but same results), but gives better defense.

Post #1228 » by **mpharris36** » Fri Jun 12, 2020 12:53 am

malik959 wrote:
knickstape21 wrote:

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I like Kira Lewis, but it’s clear who the more impactful player is...

Like I said before, Haliburton put them clamps on Lewis, had them boys shook. Haliburton gives the same type of passing as Melo (not as flashy but same results), but gives better defense.

i like halibuton a lot, but you can't believe Haliburton breaks down a defense and sets up his teammates better than LaMelo. That is crazy talk.

Haliburton doesn't get into the paint. Which is fine it isn't his skill set but he doesn't have the advanced handle or burst to get into the paint. He gets his assists through the "flow" of the offense he is not a true shot creator.

He is more of that "traingle" style pg or secondary ball handler that can shoot it, make the right plays, and play good defense.

knickstape21 · Post #1229 » by **knickstape21** » Fri Jun 12, 2020 2:16 am

mpharris36 wrote:
malik959 wrote:
knickstape21 wrote:

Watch on YouTube

I like Kira Lewis, but it’s clear who the more impactful player is...

Like I said before, Haliburton put them clamps on Lewis, had them boys shook. Haliburton gives the same type of passing as Melo (not as flashy but same results), but gives better defense.

i like halibuton a lot, but you can't believe Haliburton breaks down a defense and sets up his teammates better than LaMelo. That is crazy talk.

Haliburton doesn't get into the paint. Which is fine it isn't his skill set but he doesn't have the advanced handle or burst to get into the paint. He gets his assets through the "flow" of the offense he is not a true shot creator.

He is more of that "traingle" style pg or secondary ball handler that can shoot it, make the right plays, and play good defense.

Agreed with you here.

But if he ever starts breaking people down off the dribble and hit pull up jumpers... look out.

Post #1230 » by **mpharris36** » Fri Jun 12, 2020 2:50 am

knickstape21 wrote:
mpharris36 wrote:
malik959 wrote:Like I said before, Haliburton put them clamps on Lewis, had them boys shook. Haliburton gives the same type of passing as Melo (not as flashy but same results), but gives better defense.

i like halibuton a lot, but you can't believe Haliburton breaks down a defense and sets up his teammates better than LaMelo. That is crazy talk.

Haliburton doesn't get into the paint. Which is fine it isn't his skill set but he doesn't have the advanced handle or burst to get into the paint. He gets his assets through the "flow" of the offense he is not a true shot creator.

He is more of that "traingle" style pg or secondary ball handler that can shoot it, make the right plays, and play good defense.

Agreed with you here.

But if he ever starts breaking people down off the dribble and hit pull up jumpers... look out.

i think he can absolutely improve his handle. He has a set shot though. I doubt he will ever have a shoot of the dribble mid range game. Unless he completley changes his shot...which isn't likely because he's a really good shooter, he's just a C&S shooter.

malik959 · Post #1231 » by **malik959** » Fri Jun 12, 2020 3:26 am

mpharris36 wrote:
malik959 wrote:
knickstape21 wrote:

Watch on YouTube

I like Kira Lewis, but it’s clear who the more impactful player is...

Like I said before, Haliburton put them clamps on Lewis, had them boys shook. Haliburton gives the same type of passing as Melo (not as flashy but same results), but gives better defense.

i like halibuton a lot, but you can't believe Haliburton breaks down a defense and sets up his teammates better than LaMelo. That is crazy talk.

Haliburton doesn't get into the paint. Which is fine it isn't his skill set but he doesn't have the advanced handle or burst to get into the paint. He gets his assets through the "flow" of the offense he is not a true shot creator.

He is more of that "traingle" style pg or secondary ball handler that can shoot it, make the right plays, and play good defense.

I never said he breaks down defenses better I spoke about his passing being as effective as Melo and from what I've seen with Lamelo, he is not a true shot creator.

Fat · Post #1232 » by **Fat** » Fri Jun 12, 2020 3:42 am

malik959 wrote:
knickstape21 wrote:

Watch on YouTube

I like Kira Lewis, but it’s clear who the more impactful player is...

Like I said before, Haliburton put them clamps on Lewis, had them boys shook. Haliburton gives the same type of passing as Melo (not as flashy but same results), but gives better defense.

Hailburton is The evolved form of Ntilkina

bleedblue3303 · Post #1233 » by **bleedblue3303** » Fri Jun 12, 2020 8:09 am

I still wouldn't count out Wiseman. I would have to imagine he has spent the entire time working on his shot. Wiseman with a shot will be dangerous

robillionaire · Post #1234 » by **robillionaire** » Fri Jun 12, 2020 1:27 pm

bleedblue3303 wrote:I still wouldn't count out Wiseman. I would have to imagine he has spent the entire time working on his shot. Wiseman with a shot will be dangerous

he seems to have fallen a little bit in the draft projections, I still have him 3-5 but for all we know he could drop to 6 or 7 and we could end up with him. I doubt it but you never know

Post #1235 » by **Deeeez Knicks** » Fri Jun 12, 2020 1:44 pm

The footwork of Hayes....That combined with his size/frame. Dude is real crafty getting to his spots. Love that he has improved so much over the course of the year.

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robillionaire · Post #1236 » by **robillionaire** » Fri Jun 12, 2020 1:58 pm

it stings being directly behind the pistons in the draft order assuming the lotto doesn't shake that up. because they will likely pick a better PG ahead of us. they would probably snag hayes if he was there at 5 or 6. all we had to do was not win that last game and this wouldn't be the case

3toheadmelo · Post #1237 » by **3toheadmelo** » Fri Jun 12, 2020 2:16 pm

Deeeez Knicks wrote:The footwork of Hayes....That combined with his size/frame. Dude is real crafty getting to his spots. Love that he has improved so much over the course of the year.

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He might not be as raw as we expect him to be. He’s pretty skilled. With the extended offseason, he might be even better next season

Post #1238 » by **mpharris36** » Fri Jun 12, 2020 2:16 pm

Deeeez Knicks wrote:The footwork of Hayes....That combined with his size/frame. Dude is real crafty getting to his spots. Love that he has improved so much over the course of the year.

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yeah very ginobli esque in his ability to get wherever he wants on the court without have that elite level explosion.

Post #1239 » by **Deeeez Knicks** » Fri Jun 12, 2020 2:26 pm

3toheadmelo wrote:
Deeeez Knicks wrote:The footwork of Hayes....That combined with his size/frame. Dude is real crafty getting to his spots. Love that he has improved so much over the course of the year.

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He might not be as raw as we expect him to be. He’s pretty skilled. With the extended offseason, he might be even better next season

Yea, maybe not. He took over the reigns as PG of a Pro Team at 18. It wasn't the best team, but I think that says a lot. He will go thru some struggles and adjustments like most rookies, but it doesn't look like he's that far away. He's at least got nice size which I think will help him adjust.

RHODEY · Post #1240 » by **RHODEY** » Fri Jun 12, 2020 2:46 pm

Deeeez Knicks wrote:
3toheadmelo wrote:
Deeeez Knicks wrote:The footwork of Hayes....That combined with his size/frame. Dude is real crafty getting to his spots. Love that he has improved so much over the course of the year.

Read on Twitter

He might not be as raw as we expect him to be. He’s pretty skilled. With the extended offseason, he might be even better next season

Yea, maybe not. He took over the reigns as PG of a Pro Team at 18. It wasn't the best team, but I think that says a lot. He will go thru some struggles and adjustments like most rookies, but it doesn't look like he's that far away. He's at least got nice size which I think will help him adjust.

He's a "refined" raw. His skills (that you cant teach ) are advanced - foot work , angles, step back , body control, but he just needs reps to build consistency and eliminate miscues . He's obvoiusly a smart kid with great feel forthe game, just imagine what he'll be capable of in 2-3 years...