Packers 2020 Offseason Thread - Packers Talking Extension with Aaron Jones

[PintSizedBox10]

I just don’t see a reasonable way he’s back without it being at the expense of Bakhtiari or Clark, which I am categorically against in any scenario.

Yep which is why they used a 2nd to replace him. Jones is all but gone.

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[James1980]

Melvin Gordon got 2 years 16 million, wonder if Jones and Packers would do 3 years 21 million? What is market value for rb? Seems like teams regretted last couple big rb deals and moved on quick.

[M-C-G]

Melvin Gordon got 2 years 16 million, wonder if Jones and Packers would do 3 years 21 million? What is market value for rb? Seems like teams regretted last couple big rb deals and moved on quick.

Yeah, after Gordon, Gurley, David Johnson, Leveon Bell, a RB on a long term deal is an agent nightmare right now. Doubly worse when cast of guys like Kenyan Drake and Damien Harris can excel off the scrap heap. Just not a great time in history to get paid as a RB.

I love Jones, but not sure we lose a ton if Matt Breida were in his place.

[ReasonablySober]

Melvin Gordon got 2 years 16 million, wonder if Jones and Packers would do 3 years 21 million? What is market value for rb? Seems like teams regretted last couple big rb deals and moved on quick.

Unless Jones falls apart, there's no real reason to compare his situation to Gordon's'. Gordon was coming off two injury plagued years and really bad performance in '19.

I think the starting point, if Jones is healthy or extends now, is David Johnson money. $39 million, $13 average, $24 guaranteed. That's on talent and production. The interesting thing though, is as mentioned, the market could be flooded with backs next spring, though Jones is arguably the 2nd best back in the class behind Henry.

[MickeyDavis]

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[Treebeard]

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Do we know the Packer's on the list?

My guess......
RB - Jones
WR - Adams, Lazard, Allison?
TE - Graham

The 2019 version of Graham would be a definite drag on the numbers and I'd bet Lazard in middle of the road(He's no burner, but faster than many credit him). Allison's no speedster either.

Or, are they projecting starters for 2020?
RB - Jones
WR - Adams, Lazard, Funchess???
TE - Sternberger?

[Reddeye]

Do we know the Packer's on the list?

My guess......
RB - Jones
WR - Adams, Lazard, Allison?
TE - Graham

The 2019 version of Graham would be a definite drag on the numbers and I'd bet Lazard in middle of the road(He's no burner, but faster than many credit him). Allison's no speedster either.

Or, are they projecting starters for 2020?
RB - Jones
WR - Adams, Lazard, Funchess???
TE - Sternberger?

Good question. Is this based on current personnel? Adams also brings the number down, but he is an elite route runner. Also if you put MVS or ESB as the 3rd wr it would likely lower the number.

From listening to Gute after the draft I think if any of the wrs that went in the first round were there at the Packers pick there is a good chance they would have taken them. I don't think the Packers thought this was the great wr draft class after the first few guys that everyone was claiming it was.

[tski1972]

I have yet to see any player run a straight 40 yard dash during an actual game.

Useless stat.

[PintSizedBox10]

The Packers are an incredibly slow offense so those numbers don't surprise.

Yes 40 times aren't the end all be all of speed. But its painfully obvious the Packers lack dynamic athletes with the ball their hands. Cobb wasn't a burner but he could get YAC. Same with Driver and Jennings.

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[sdn40]

Funchess - 4.7
Dillon - 4.53
Deguara - 4.7

Built for January football in Lambeau --- which is about the dumbest thing I've ever heard

[Reddeye]

Funchess - 4.7
Dillon - 4.53
Deguara - 4.7

Built for January football in Lambeau --- which is about the dumbest thing I've ever heard

Didn't know Funchess ran a 4.7. Surprised he was a second round pick. Is 4.53 slow for a rb? I was thinking Dillon tested well at the combine.

[M-C-G]

Funchess - 4.7
Dillon - 4.53
Deguara - 4.7

Built for January football in Lambeau --- which is about the dumbest thing I've ever heard

Didn't know Funchess ran a 4.7. Surprised he was a second round pick. Is 4.53 slow for a rb? I was thinking Dillon tested well at the combine.

Dillon tested like 97th percentile SPARQ score. For comparison, Jonathan Taylor was 90th . I believe Aaron Jones was 88th, but I think he is actually faster now than the combine, so would guess it's up a bit.

4.53 is 73rd percentile for RB.

[ReasonablySober]

When you remember that Davante Adams ran a 4.56, J'Mon Moore ran a 4.48, and Marquez Valdes-Scantling ran a 4.37...you start to care a little less about 40 times. All that matters is if they're a fundamentally good WR.

[M-C-G]

When you remember that Davante Adams ran a 4.56, J'Mon Moore ran a 4.48, and Marquez Valdes-Scantling ran a 4.37...you start to care a little less about 40 times. All that matters is if they're a fundamentally good WR.

I certainly agree with that, being fast certainly doesn't mean you are good, nor does it mean you even create separation. But there are certain times that you just aren't very likely to be a good NFL player despite the rest of the skill set. f

I'm hoping St. Brown is ready to step up and take that #2 spot this year.

[RRyder823]

When you remember that Davante Adams ran a 4.56, J'Mon Moore ran a 4.48, and Marquez Valdes-Scantling ran a 4.37...you start to care a little less about 40 times. All that matters is if they're a fundamentally good WR.

People consistently underate route running when it comes to gaining separation even on deep routes.

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[sdn40]

Watch the 49er game again

[RRyder823]

When you remember that Davante Adams ran a 4.56, J'Mon Moore ran a 4.48, and Marquez Valdes-Scantling ran a 4.37...you start to care a little less about 40 times. All that matters is if they're a fundamentally good WR.

I certainly agree with that, being fast certainly doesn't mean you are good, nor does it mean you even create separation. But there are certain times that you just aren't very likely to be a good NFL player despite the rest of the skill set. f

I'm hoping St. Brown is ready to step up and take that #2 spot this year.

Maybe its me but I don't see the optimism with St Brown. He was probably the 6-7 best reciever in camp last season. I know some people would say that he was going to be one of the top 3-4 once the season started based on rookie performance but considering the Packers didn't want to use a roster spot on him for a single day in order to have the ability to bring him back makes that seem unlikely.

Still young and can develop. #2 WR seems pretty pie in the sky though



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[M-C-G]

When you remember that Davante Adams ran a 4.56, J'Mon Moore ran a 4.48, and Marquez Valdes-Scantling ran a 4.37...you start to care a little less about 40 times. All that matters is if they're a fundamentally good WR.

I certainly agree with that, being fast certainly doesn't mean you are good, nor does it mean you even create separation. But there are certain times that you just aren't very likely to be a good NFL player despite the rest of the skill set. f

I'm hoping St. Brown is ready to step up and take that #2 spot this year.

Maybe its me but I don't see the optimism with St Brown. He was probably the 6-7 best reciever in camp last season. I know some people would say that he was going to be one of the top 3-4 once the season started based on rookie performance but considering the Packers didn't want to use a roster spot on him for a single day in order to have the ability to bring him back makes that seem unlikely.

Still young and can develop. #2 WR seems pretty pie in the sky though



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Yeah, it definitely is not a prediction, just a hope. I'm still baffled by them putting a 2nd round designation on Kumerow. Tells me they seem to have plans for him.

Also, that dude from the CFL is interesting. Was never really a fan of Funchess, so will be interesting to see how that shakes out with him.

https://youtu.be/fQFtUw7lxjA?t=132

[ReasonablySober]

I don’t see any reason Lazard can’t make another leap and be a legit #2. I’m predicting it.

[M-C-G]

I don’t see any reason Lazard can’t make another leap and be a legit #2. I’m predicting it.

Maybe he could, in kind of a poor mans Mike Evans...just don't think he gets any separation. Doesn't offer you anything after the catch.

Just seems like a very slightly better version of Geronimo Allison to me. Almost but not quite Just A Guy.