2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 5) -LOTTO 8/25 DRAFT 10/15!

[god shammgod]

So much for the Wiseman pick.

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we never were taking wiseman. hi melo.

We were always getting KD and Kyrie - sham in 2019

kyrie is bat sh*t crazy. i can't be responsible for that.

[moocow007]

Okongwu is more than just a rim runner. Much more. I'm not sure if folks have really watched him play a whole lot. Yes, he can run and dunk but he wouldn't be turning many teams and scouts on like Pam Anderson when she was still in her prime if all he was was a rim running athlete. From a pure skill, feel and fluidity standpoint he's better than Bam Adebayo and Mitch Robinson.

Could not disagree more.

Based on what?

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[moocow007]

Like I said before, Haliburton put them clamps on Lewis, had them boys shook. Haliburton gives the same type of passing as Melo (not as flashy but same results), but gives better defense.

i like halibuton a lot, but you can't believe Haliburton breaks down a defense and sets up his teammates better than LaMelo. That is crazy talk.

Haliburton doesn't get into the paint. Which is fine it isn't his skill set but he doesn't have the advanced handle or burst to get into the paint. He gets his assets through the "flow" of the offense he is not a true shot creator.

He is more of that "traingle" style pg or secondary ball handler that can shoot it, make the right plays, and play good defense.

Agreed with you here.

But if he ever starts breaking people down off the dribble and hit pull up jumpers... look out.

IF? What is he waiting for? IF mitch Robinson can ever shoot 3's and create for others he'd be great.

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[malik959]

i like halibuton a lot, but you can't believe Haliburton breaks down a defense and sets up his teammates better than LaMelo. That is crazy talk.

Haliburton doesn't get into the paint. Which is fine it isn't his skill set but he doesn't have the advanced handle or burst to get into the paint. He gets his assets through the "flow" of the offense he is not a true shot creator.

He is more of that "traingle" style pg or secondary ball handler that can shoot it, make the right plays, and play good defense.

Agreed with you here.

But if he ever starts breaking people down off the dribble and hit pull up jumpers... look out.

IF? What is he waiting for? IF mitch Robinson can ever shoot 3's and create for others he'd be great.

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If Melo could do anything other than dribble and pass...

[Worst_to_First]

So much for the Wiseman pick.

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Nah.

If Mitch can shoot like this in a game the more I want to pair him and Wiseman together in our frontcourt.

Mitch can be the next KD.

[Worst_to_First]

I still wouldn't count out Wiseman. I would have to imagine he has spent the entire time working on his shot. Wiseman with a shot will be dangerous

I still think Wiseman ends up as the best player in this draft but believe that this won’t matter much to us Knick fans as long as our PG of choice pans out.

[knickstape21]

Okongwu is more than just a rim runner. Much more. I'm not sure if folks have really watched him play a whole lot. Yes, he can run and dunk but he wouldn't be turning many teams and scouts on like Pam Anderson when she was still in her prime if all he was was a rim running athlete. From a pure skill, feel and fluidity standpoint he's better than Bam Adebayo and Mitch Robinson.

Could not disagree more.

Based on what?

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[knickstape21]

i like halibuton a lot, but you can't believe Haliburton breaks down a defense and sets up his teammates better than LaMelo. That is crazy talk.

Haliburton doesn't get into the paint. Which is fine it isn't his skill set but he doesn't have the advanced handle or burst to get into the paint. He gets his assets through the "flow" of the offense he is not a true shot creator.

He is more of that "traingle" style pg or secondary ball handler that can shoot it, make the right plays, and play good defense.

Agreed with you here.

But if he ever starts breaking people down off the dribble and hit pull up jumpers... look out.

IF? What is he waiting for? IF mitch Robinson can ever shoot 3's and create for others he'd be great.

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Ha! This argument...

If applies to everyone.

What is he waiting for?! Let the kid keep developing. Sheesh!

[3toheadmelo]

I still wouldn't count out Wiseman. I would have to imagine he has spent the entire time working on his shot. Wiseman with a shot will be dangerous

I still think Wiseman ends up as the best player in this draft but believe that this won’t matter much to us Knick fans as long as our PG of choice pans out.

Knowing that Walt Perrin is all about BPA, it will be interesting to see if we will take Wiseman if we have the chance to draft him.

Here’s some new Wiseman workout footage. 2nd vid his jumper looks pretty clean. Click on the link


https://www.instagram.com/tv/CBQex8cH0sY/?igshid=v6wqkcttu8sq

[HerSports85]

Warriors full of it, how don’t you take Wiseman if you have the #1 pick and you already have one of the best backcourts in the league

[3toheadmelo]

Warriors full of it, how don’t you take Wiseman if you have the #1 pick and you already have one of the best backcourts in the league

It doesn't make sense that they would take another guard when the D'Lo experiment failed. Pretty sure they are taking Wiseman if they have the chance. All they need is a big man and Wiseman is that. Not buying the smoke screens about Haliburton/Lamelo.. etc.

[3toheadmelo]

Edwards is like the DSJ of this draft. Extremely talented but lacks the mental focus to be a winning player. Streaky shooter, bad motor, inconsistent defender.

[WargamesX]

Warriors full of it, how don’t you take Wiseman if you have the #1 pick and you already have one of the best backcourts in the league

It doesn't make sense that they would take another guard when the D'Lo experiment failed. Pretty sure they are taking Wiseman if they have the chance. All they need is a big man and Wiseman is that. Not buying the smoke screens about Haliburton/Lamelo.. etc.

Even with some smoke there is fire. They probably see Hayes as a more raw D’Angelo and won’t even pretend to want to go down that route again.

The way I see it, Wiseman is a lock for the Warriors if he is there. Cavs would probably go for one of Obi/Wiseman over any guard too. Wolves can use a SF on a cheap contract and Deni being “skilled” probably makes him a good bet to try and put out there with Towns/D’lo/Beasley.

I think Hayes has a chance to fall to us even if we move down to 7-8. He needs time to develop and his overall play improving once he went to a weaker European German league won’t help his case in a year where scouting got cut short. I am not saying he is not a nice player, but I just don’t see him coming off the board before Ball and Tyrese.

For both Hal and Ball.... there are teams I can definitely see taking them both if they draft ahead of us. Ball for Detroit, Hal for the Hawks and Suns, maybe the Bulls. If a later team moves up who even knows.

[Worst_to_First]

I still wouldn't count out Wiseman. I would have to imagine he has spent the entire time working on his shot. Wiseman with a shot will be dangerous

I still think Wiseman ends up as the best player in this draft but believe that this won’t matter much to us Knick fans as long as our PG of choice pans out.

Knowing that Walt Perrin is all about BPA, it will be interesting to see if we will take Wiseman if we have the chance to draft him.

Here’s some new Wiseman workout footage. 2nd vid his jumper looks pretty clean. Click on the link


https://www.instagram.com/tv/CBQex8cH0sY/?igshid=v6wqkcttu8sq

I won’t be surprised at all if Wiseman ends up being a KAT type of player but with defense. People forget that my guy Towns didn’t exactly show off the skills that he has right now back when he was in Kentucky.

What I want to see Wiseman improve on is his passing and playmaking skills. Right now I only see him as a finisher and scorer but eventually teams are going to double and even triple team him and he is going to have to make them pay for that.

[Worst_to_First]

Warriors full of it, how don’t you take Wiseman if you have the #1 pick and you already have one of the best backcourts in the league

It doesn't make sense that they would take another guard when the D'Lo experiment failed. Pretty sure they are taking Wiseman if they have the chance. All they need is a big man and Wiseman is that. Not buying the smoke screens about Haliburton/Lamelo.. etc.

There was a poll made on 35 anonymous executives, 20 of which said they are selecting Wiseman if they had the #1 pick. Edwards came second with 10, LaMelo had 4 while I think it was Obi that had the remaining 1.

The Warriors obviously have a smart FO. Perhaps given Wiseman’s set of skills beyond that of a rim runner they could think that they won’t be able to maximize him given their style of play.

If they feel that they would be better off trading down, selecting the guy they want while being able to strip some team off their assets then more power to them.

[Worst_to_First]

Edwards is like the DSJ of this draft. Extremely talented but lacks the mental focus to be a winning player. Streaky shooter, bad motor, inconsistent defender.

We were both high on Edwards about a year ago but yes I share the same concerns.

If we end up with the number 3 pick and Wiseman and LaMelo were selected ahead of us I would explore trading Edwards to his hometown Hawks in exchange for their pick where we get the PG we like, as well as one of either Huerter, DeAndre Hunter or Reddish.

[mpharris36]

Edwards is like the DSJ of this draft. Extremely talented but lacks the mental focus to be a winning player. Streaky shooter, bad motor, inconsistent defender.

who are you and what did you do with Melo???

Edwards has a much more translatable shot (doesn't have a hitch). But yes the decision making and mental IQ for the game are questionable.

But dude has elite athleticism and quickness for the positoin. He has a great NBA body with size and strength and has a smooth high release jumper.

But the mental aspect is concerning for sure.

Thats the thing about this draft there is no perfect prospect.

[3toheadmelo]

I still think Wiseman ends up as the best player in this draft but believe that this won’t matter much to us Knick fans as long as our PG of choice pans out.

Knowing that Walt Perrin is all about BPA, it will be interesting to see if we will take Wiseman if we have the chance to draft him.

Here’s some new Wiseman workout footage. 2nd vid his jumper looks pretty clean. Click on the link


https://www.instagram.com/tv/CBQex8cH0sY/?igshid=v6wqkcttu8sq

I won’t be surprised at all if Wiseman ends up being a KAT type of player but with defense. People forget that my guy Towns didn’t exactly show off the skills that he has right now back when he was in Kentucky.

What I want to see Wiseman improve on is his passing and playmaking skills. Right now I only see him as a finisher and scorer but eventually teams are going to double and even triple team him and he is going to have to make them pay for that.

He seems like he has a high IQ so I think he'll be able to develop some better playmaking skills. Out of all the prospects that did the film session with Mike Schmitz, Wiseman's was the most impressive to me. He's studying the game hard

[3toheadmelo]

Edwards is like the DSJ of this draft. Extremely talented but lacks the mental focus to be a winning player. Streaky shooter, bad motor, inconsistent defender.

We were both high on Edwards about a year ago but yes I share the same concerns.

If we end up with the number 3 pick and Wiseman and LaMelo were selected ahead of us I would explore trading Edwards to his hometown Hawks in exchange for their pick where we get the PG we like, as well as one of either Huerter, DeAndre Hunter or Reddish.

Hayes/Haliburton + Huerter/Hunter would be pretty good for us. Not sure how I feel about Reddish. Hes like a more talented Kevin Knox, although he did end the season pretty nicely

[3toheadmelo]

Edwards is like the DSJ of this draft. Extremely talented but lacks the mental focus to be a winning player. Streaky shooter, bad motor, inconsistent defender.

who are you and what did you do with Melo???

Edwards has a much more translatable shot (doesn't have a hitch). But yes the decision making and mental IQ for the game are questionable.

But dude has elite athleticism and quickness for the positoin. He has a great NBA body with size and strength and has a smooth high release jumper.

But the mental aspect is concerning for sure.

Thats the thing about this draft there is no perfect prospect.

DSJ never had a hitch in college lol but they still share the same weaknesses like I said above. And Edwards is actually a significantly worse shooter (29%) than DSJ (36%) in college too. Effiency wise he is significantly worse than DSJ in college as well.

Both DSJ and Edwards were super talented but shared a bunch of red flags mentally. So yeah.
Look how lazy this dude is on defense.

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Edwards really isn't affecting the game when he isn't scoring. There's mad games where he's checked out mentally and isn't giving much effort. He's honestly only going top 3 because this draft is so weak and he has star potential. But he has a loong way to go to reach there. If he gets right mentally then he'll be good but there's tons of red flags. Literally the same case DSJ was coming out of college.