OT: Cops kill George Floyd

[HarthorneWingo]

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Going to be arrested?

Nope, just moving to Florida.

True.

[HarthorneWingo]

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They're savages there too.

Crossing Philly off the list. I gotta find some liberal/progessive town/city to move to.

[KnicksGadfly]

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They're savages there too.

Crossing Philly off the list. I gotta find some liberal/progessive town/city to move to.

Let me know when you find it. West Coast, East Coast...I've found racism everywhere.

[HarthorneWingo]

So this black man is sleeping one off in his car at a Wendy’s in Atlanta. Naturally, police were called to the “scene” over this dangerous situation that has developed in its parking lot. When police confront this man, they decide to do a sobriety check on him - even though he was not “operating” the vehicle. The “suspect” then gets spooked by the whole confrontation and decides to run away out of fear. So police shoot him in the back. Now he’s dead.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/atlanta-police-fatally-shoot-black-man-during-sobriety-test_n_5ee4ea70c5b6afc1283183e7

first off his car was in the drive through lane when he passed out drunk.....he then gets into a fight with both cops punching one in the face and taking his taser, while running away he tried to fire it at the cops

it is another a tragic death of a black man by the cops and they should have gone after him instead shooting, but this isn't close to what happen to george floyd.... and Rayshard Brooks didn't do himself any favors

if anything that death is a result of the current climate, when you think its ok to fight the cops its usually not a good idea

my response to your post:

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@kane

Blocking the drive-through lane?

Beat up the cops who had confronted him?

He attempt to turn and shoot a non-deadly taser at them while running away?

So? It's just not an excuse for ending someone's life. This is the job you signed up for when you become a cop. They got assaulted by some drugged out lunatic who has run off with their taser. Call in the description and direction over police radio, get in your vehicle, and go pursue him. Do police work. Run his license plate. Find out his address. Run his name over NCIS. Yeah, you got your asses kicked and it's on tape and now you're going to be embarrassed forever in your squad. But that's not an excuse to kill him. Do your police work. They're not judge, jury, and executioner.

Btw, welcome here to the Knicks forum. How are things over on the CA forum? tsherkin banned me for life from there.

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Because she's white she's not a protester?

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This is why I said what I said when my man spree8 asked why didn’t Ahmaud Arbery just call the cops when he saw two armed racist whites in pursuit of him, instead of attempting to fight back.

Now I hope he gets it. Spree is a good dude too. He wasn’t being malicious at the time. A lot of people just truly don’t understand the depth of distrust our community harbors for the police force.

It’s not about disrespect for police due to criminality. It’s about disrespect for police due to all the negative equity they’ve built up in our communities all across America.

[kane]

@kane

Blocking the drive-through lane?

Beat up the cops who had confronted him?

He attempt to turn and shoot a non-deadly taser at them while running away?

So? It's just not an excuse for ending someone's life. This is the job you signed up for when you become a cop. They got assaulted by some drugged out lunatic who has run off with their taser. Call in the description and direction over police radio, get in your vehicle, and go pursue him. Do police work. Run his license plate. Find out his address. Run his name over NCIS. Yeah, you got your asses kicked and it's on tape and now you're going to be embarrassed forever in your squad. But that's not an excuse to kill him. Do your police work. They're not judge, jury, and executioner.

Btw, welcome here to the Knicks forum. How are things over on the CA forum? tsherkin banned me for life from there.

i was pretty clear he should not of been shot, just pointing out if someone read your OP they would think cops rolled up on a car in a parking lot and saw a black man sleeping in it were they escalated the situation and it ends up with another black man being shot

i just wanted to point out he was block a drive through lane, where that wendys (now burned to the ground) called the cops because he was blocking traffic, he was driving drunk had the cops called on him and did many stupid things along the way that did nothing but escalated the situation more and more....

now people are trying to lump this is with the death of george floyd and imo that does the whole movement a disservice, where he was clearly murdered (at what point do you say hey "we better call a ambulance this guy dont look to good", hear that then keep your knee on his neck for another 5-9 min where the EMT has to push you off him

[HarthorneWingo]

This is why I said what I said when my man spree8 asked why didn’t Ahmaud Arbery just call the cops when he saw two armed racist whites in pursuit of him, instead of attempting to fight back.

Now I hope he gets it. Spree is a good dude too. He wasn’t being malicious at the time. A lot of people just truly don’t understand the depth of distrust our community harbors for the police force.

It’s not about disrespect for police due to criminality. It’s about disrespect for police due to all the negative equity they’ve built up in our communities all across America.

I believe that the only time to call the police is after the commission of a crime and you need to have it investigated.

[HarthorneWingo]

@kane

Blocking the drive-through lane?

Beat up the cops who had confronted him?

He attempt to turn and shoot a non-deadly taser at them while running away?

So? It's just not an excuse for ending someone's life. This is the job you signed up for when you become a cop. They got assaulted by some drugged out lunatic who has run off with their taser. Call in the description and direction over police radio, get in your vehicle, and go pursue him. Do police work. Run his license plate. Find out his address. Run his name over NCIS. Yeah, you got your asses kicked and it's on tape and now you're going to be embarrassed forever in your squad. But that's not an excuse to kill him. Do your police work. They're not judge, jury, and executioner.

Btw, welcome here to the Knicks forum. How are things over on the CA forum? tsherkin banned me for life from there.

i was pretty clear he should not of been shot, just pointing out if someone read your OP they would think cops rolled up on a car in a parking lot and saw a black man sleeping in it were they escalated the situation and it ends up with another black man being shot

i just wanted to point out he was block a drive through lane, where that wendys (now burned to the ground) called the cops because he was blocking traffic, he was driving drunk had the cops called on him and did many stupid things along the way that did nothing but escalated the situation more and more....

now people are trying to lump this is with the death of george floyd and imo that does the whole movement a disservice, where he was clearly murdered (at what point do you say hey "we better call a ambulance this guy dont look to good", hear that then keep your knee on his neck for another 5-9 min where the EMT has to push you off him

I think you misunderstand the full breadth of this protest. It’s not just about the murder of George Floyd. It’s the entire scope of community policing from police misconduct to the lack of transparency, supervision, training, and discipline. From soup to nuts. Many of these problems stem our government redistributing money away from programs that addressed the root of the problem to law enforcement for it to handle with force after the fact.

But you are right, I should have presented a more accurate account. My bad.

[ellobo]

The New York Times has a pretty thorough, almost minute-by-minute analysis of the Rayshard Brooks shooting, with lots of video (police bodycam, police dashcam, security camera, eyewitness cellphone video), including video showing pretty clearly him being shot from a distance while running away.

Before the cops try to arrest him, there is video of him politely asking to just lock up his car and walk to his sister's house nearby. It could have ended there.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/14/us/videos-rayshard-brooks-shooting-atlanta-police.html?

Tennessee v. Garner (1985) seems on point:

That case originated in Memphis, where two police officers, including Elton Hymon, were dispatched to catch a prowler. In the backyard of a house, Hymon saw a suspect he judged to be 17 or 18 run to a back fence. “Halt,” he said, “police.” The suspect tried to climb over the fence to escape. Hymon shot him in the back of the head and recovered a purse with $10 in it. He later cited a Tennessee statute that said, “If, after notice of the intention to arrest the defendant, he either flee or forcibly resist, the officer may use all the necessary means to effect the arrest.” (Conor Friedersdorf, The Atlantic)

From the decision:

The use of deadly force to prevent the escape of all felony suspects, whatever the circumstances, is constitutionally unreasonable. It is not better that all felony suspects die than that they escape. Where the suspect poses no immediate threat to the officer and no threat to others, the harm resulting from failing to apprehend him does not justify the use of deadly force to do so. It is no doubt unfortunate when a suspect who is in sight escapes, but the fact that the police arrive a little late or are a little slower afoot does not always justify killing the suspect. A police officer may not seize an unarmed, non-dangerous suspect by shooting him dead. The Tennessee statute is unconstitutional insofar as it authorizes the use of deadly force against such fleeing suspects.

[Fat Kat]

The New York Times has a pretty thorough, almost minute-by-minute analysis of the Rayshard Brooks shooting, with lots of video (police bodycam, police dashcam, security camera, eyewitness cellphone video), including video showing pretty clearly him being shot from a distance while running away.

Before the cops try to arrest him, there is video of him politely asking to just lock up his car and walk to his sister's house nearby. It could have ended there.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/14/us/videos-rayshard-brooks-shooting-atlanta-police.html?

Tennessee v. Garner (1985) seems on point:

That case originated in Memphis, where two police officers, including Elton Hymon, were dispatched to catch a prowler. In the backyard of a house, Hymon saw a suspect he judged to be 17 or 18 run to a back fence. “Halt,” he said, “police.” The suspect tried to climb over the fence to escape. Hymon shot him in the back of the head and recovered a purse with $10 in it. He later cited a Tennessee statute that said, “If, after notice of the intention to arrest the defendant, he either flee or forcibly resist, the officer may use all the necessary means to effect the arrest.” (Conor Friedersdorf, The Atlantic)

From the decision:

The use of deadly force to prevent the escape of all felony suspects, whatever the circumstances, is constitutionally unreasonable. It is not better that all felony suspects die than that they escape. Where the suspect poses no immediate threat to the officer and no threat to others, the harm resulting from failing to apprehend him does not justify the use of deadly force to do so. It is no doubt unfortunate when a suspect who is in sight escapes, but the fact that the police arrive a little late or are a little slower afoot does not always justify killing the suspect. A police officer may not seize an unarmed, non-dangerous suspect by shooting him dead. The Tennessee statute is unconstitutional insofar as it authorizes the use of deadly force against such fleeing suspects.

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[HarthorneWingo]

So I ask the members of the black delegation here on this brotherly and sisterly forum, is this what you want to hear from your white celebrities as they attempt to lead the white delegation forward on this issue?

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[HarthorneWingo]

The New York Times has a pretty thorough, almost minute-by-minute analysis of the Rayshard Brooks shooting, with lots of video (police bodycam, police dashcam, security camera, eyewitness cellphone video), including video showing pretty clearly him being shot from a distance while running away.

Before the cops try to arrest him, there is video of him politely asking to just lock up his car and walk to his sister's house nearby. It could have ended there.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/14/us/videos-rayshard-brooks-shooting-atlanta-police.html?

Tennessee v. Garner (1985) seems on point:

That case originated in Memphis, where two police officers, including Elton Hymon, were dispatched to catch a prowler. In the backyard of a house, Hymon saw a suspect he judged to be 17 or 18 run to a back fence. “Halt,” he said, “police.” The suspect tried to climb over the fence to escape. Hymon shot him in the back of the head and recovered a purse with $10 in it. He later cited a Tennessee statute that said, “If, after notice of the intention to arrest the defendant, he either flee or forcibly resist, the officer may use all the necessary means to effect the arrest.” (Conor Friedersdorf, The Atlantic)

From the decision:

The use of deadly force to prevent the escape of all felony suspects, whatever the circumstances, is constitutionally unreasonable. It is not better that all felony suspects die than that they escape. Where the suspect poses no immediate threat to the officer and no threat to others, the harm resulting from failing to apprehend him does not justify the use of deadly force to do so. It is no doubt unfortunate when a suspect who is in sight escapes, but the fact that the police arrive a little late or are a little slower afoot does not always justify killing the suspect. A police officer may not seize an unarmed, non-dangerous suspect by shooting him dead. The Tennessee statute is unconstitutional insofar as it authorizes the use of deadly force against such fleeing suspects.

Tennessee v. Garner? My man!




Are you a lawyer or in law school or just generally intelligent?

[ellobo]

Spoiler:

The New York Times has a pretty thorough, almost minute-by-minute analysis of the Rayshard Brooks shooting, with lots of video (police bodycam, police dashcam, security camera, eyewitness cellphone video), including video showing pretty clearly him being shot from a distance while running away.

Before the cops try to arrest him, there is video of him politely asking to just lock up his car and walk to his sister's house nearby. It could have ended there.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/14/us/videos-rayshard-brooks-shooting-atlanta-police.html?

Tennessee v. Garner (1985) seems on point:

That case originated in Memphis, where two police officers, including Elton Hymon, were dispatched to catch a prowler. In the backyard of a house, Hymon saw a suspect he judged to be 17 or 18 run to a back fence. “Halt,” he said, “police.” The suspect tried to climb over the fence to escape. Hymon shot him in the back of the head and recovered a purse with $10 in it. He later cited a Tennessee statute that said, “If, after notice of the intention to arrest the defendant, he either flee or forcibly resist, the officer may use all the necessary means to effect the arrest.” (Conor Friedersdorf, The Atlantic)

From the decision:

The use of deadly force to prevent the escape of all felony suspects, whatever the circumstances, is constitutionally unreasonable. It is not better that all felony suspects die than that they escape. Where the suspect poses no immediate threat to the officer and no threat to others, the harm resulting from failing to apprehend him does not justify the use of deadly force to do so. It is no doubt unfortunate when a suspect who is in sight escapes, but the fact that the police arrive a little late or are a little slower afoot does not always justify killing the suspect. A police officer may not seize an unarmed, non-dangerous suspect by shooting him dead. The Tennessee statute is unconstitutional insofar as it authorizes the use of deadly force against such fleeing suspects.

Tennessee v. Garner? My man!



Are you a lawyer or in law school or just generally intelligent?

HIgh school English teacher.

Opinions differ on my general intelligence.

[HarthorneWingo]

Spoiler:

The New York Times has a pretty thorough, almost minute-by-minute analysis of the Rayshard Brooks shooting, with lots of video (police bodycam, police dashcam, security camera, eyewitness cellphone video), including video showing pretty clearly him being shot from a distance while running away.

Before the cops try to arrest him, there is video of him politely asking to just lock up his car and walk to his sister's house nearby. It could have ended there.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/14/us/videos-rayshard-brooks-shooting-atlanta-police.html?

Tennessee v. Garner (1985) seems on point:

From the decision:

Tennessee v. Garner? My man!



Are you a lawyer or in law school or just generally intelligent?

HIgh school English teacher.

Opinions differ on my general intelligence.

Ha, touché.

Did you see the newly published Ernest Hemingway story in The New Yorker? I just saw it this afternoon. Looking forward to reading it before going to bed.

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[kane]

after watching the video the first cop was willing to let him pull off to the side and sleep it off, the second cop wanted to bust him for DWI, nether were the right or smart movie .....let him stay to sleep it off he could wake up still drunk and kill someone and busting him on the spot is a super dick cop move, they should of let him get a uber or someone pick him up

the cops had his ID and his car where did they think he was going?...... honestly i didn't know they talked that much before the fight, did they fear he was going to what try and jack another car and go all GTA no reason to shoot at all /sigh

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