Rich Rane wrote:kamaze wrote:I just realized I was going back and forth with a white guy telling me a black man how to confront racism in this country. Unbelievable.
You're talking about me? I'm white?
You're not?
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Rich Rane wrote:kamaze wrote:I just realized I was going back and forth with a white guy telling me a black man how to confront racism in this country. Unbelievable.
You're talking about me? I'm white?
kamaze wrote:Rich Rane wrote:kamaze wrote:I just realized I was going back and forth with a white guy telling me a black man how to confront racism in this country. Unbelievable.
You're talking about me? I'm white?
You're not?
Rich Rane wrote:kamaze wrote:Rich Rane wrote:
You're talking about me? I'm white?
You're not?
Nope.
kamaze wrote:Rich Rane wrote:kamaze wrote:
You're not?
Nope.
Are you black?
Rich Rane wrote:kamaze wrote:Rich Rane wrote:
Nope.
Are you black?
Nope. Person of color that's endured more than several encounters with racism. If you still wanna feel offended for me not being black though, I'll apologize that far.
kamaze wrote:Rich Rane wrote:kamaze wrote:
Are you black?
Nope. Person of color that's endured more than several encounters with racism. If you still wanna feel offended for me not being black though, I'll apologize that far.
I don't know if offended is the right word. I have trust issues. I commend you and other people for caring though, honestly I used to believe only black people gave a damn how we're treated.
Rich Rane wrote:kamaze wrote:Rich Rane wrote:
Nope. Person of color that's endured more than several encounters with racism. If you still wanna feel offended for me not being black though, I'll apologize that far.
I don't know if offended is the right word. I have trust issues. I commend you and other people for caring though, honestly I used to believe only black people gave a damn how we're treated.
I'm pretty certain you're far from the only black person that's felt this way (and by this country's history, I'm not saying black people are wrong at all far feeling that way). Hell, most of my black friends' initial reaction to George Floyd's murder was anger, but followed with "add another one to the list". A lot of black people I've met over protests the last few weeks were the same, some bringing themselves to tears at the sheer amount of people from different backgrounds that would march with them.
kamaze wrote:MrDollarBills wrote:kamaze wrote:They mean well but it is what it is this is an ugly country and I don't believe anything we as citizens do will change anything. Cops are still attacking people; a black man was executed in Atlanta; things are getting worse.
MDB you ready to ride?
The protests are working, despite the killings and brutality. Public opinion has shifted dramatically in support of ending systemic racism. It will take time, but i see that finally white people are waking up and realizing what has been happening to us. People are finally listening. That is huge. Compare the public opinion now to when Colin Kaepernick's protest was ongoing. Things have changed, it's just unfortunate it took someone's death to trigger it.
Yeah some progress has been made I just don't have the energy to fight this any more. I'm sick and tired of being sick and tired.
Rich Rane wrote:kamaze wrote:Rich Rane wrote:
Nope. Person of color that's endured more than several encounters with racism. If you still wanna feel offended for me not being black though, I'll apologize that far.
I don't know if offended is the right word. I have trust issues. I commend you and other people for caring though, honestly I used to believe only black people gave a damn how we're treated.
I'm pretty certain you're far from the only black person that's felt this way (and by this country's history, I'm not saying black people are wrong at all far feeling that way). Hell, most of my black friends' initial reaction to George Floyd's murder was anger, but followed with "add another one to the list". A lot of black people I've met over protests the last few weeks were the same, some bringing themselves to tears at the sheer amount of people from different backgrounds that would march with them.
MrDollarBills wrote:Rich Rane wrote:kamaze wrote:
I don't know if offended is the right word. I have trust issues. I commend you and other people for caring though, honestly I used to believe only black people gave a damn how we're treated.
I'm pretty certain you're far from the only black person that's felt this way (and by this country's history, I'm not saying black people are wrong at all far feeling that way). Hell, most of my black friends' initial reaction to George Floyd's murder was anger, but followed with "add another one to the list". A lot of black people I've met over protests the last few weeks were the same, some bringing themselves to tears at the sheer amount of people from different backgrounds that would march with them.
The fact that there are so many non Black people risking their health and safety right now to take to the streets to protest has changed my view of this country. I thought no one gave a damn about us, especially after the way people reacted to what Colin Kaepernick was doing. I thought people didn't care...and that's not the case. It's just that the people who do care have finally decided to raise up and show it...I can see how it would move any Black person to tears. It makes you feel like there are a lot of people who view us as people and their fellow countrymen and not "the blacks". Even though things are awful right now, it gives me hope.
Adrian Wojnarowski and Malika Andrews report Monday evening that the Nets’ Kyrie Irving and the Lakers’ Avery Bradley have become the leaders of a coalition of players who believe they need to give voice to “fellow players the group believes to be justifiably reluctant to speak for themselves.”
Irving and Bradley, the ESPN reporters write, are “two of a number of veteran players who’ve taken expanded roles in organizing player conference calls in the past week, believe they’re providing a voice for those players who fear retribution if they openly voice their concerns, sources tell ESPN.”
The coalition, they add, wants “a further examination of the NBA’s plan to restart the season in Orlando.”
Moreover, the group supplied Woj and Andrews, who covers the Nets for ESPN, with a statement whose authorship is not specified, but whose content, language and cadence is similar to what Irving has said and written in the past...
“We are a group of men and women from different teams and industries that are normally painted as opponents, but have put our egos and differences aside to make sure we stand united and demand honesty during this uncertain time,” the coalition said.
“Native indigenous African Caribbean men and women entertaining the world, we will continue to use our voices and platforms for positive change and truth.
“We are truly at an inflection point in history where as a collective community, we can band together — UNIFY — and move as one. We need all our people with us and we will stand together in solidarity.
“As an oppressed community we are going on 500-plus years of being systemically targeted, used for our IP [intellectual property]/Talent, and also still being killed by the very people that are supposed to ‘protect and serve’ us.
“WE HAVE HAD ENOUGH!
“We are combating the issues that matter most: We will not accept the racial injustices that continue to be ignored in our communities. We will not be kept in the dark when it comes to our health and well-being. And we will not ignore the financial motivations/expectations that have prevented us historically from making sound decisions.
“This is not about individual players, athletes or entertainers. This is about our group of strong men and women uniting for change. We have our respective fields, however, we will not just shut up and play to distract us from what this whole system has been about: Use and Abuse.
“We are all fathers, daughters leaders and so much more. So what is our BIG picture? We are in this for UNITY and CHANGE!”
kamaze wrote:
He's not wrong to be sceptical of Kyrie everyone wants to be a hero but few are genuinely for the cause. I don't fault Kyrie but it's more of an emotional response than a wise one. The money made could be used to help those in need instead of chasing glory. Again this is not a knock on Kyrie my response would be emotional too.
kamaze wrote:You can be right about someone and be a jackass you know.
MrDollarBills wrote:
i see that ESPN has their coons out in full force today against Kyrie. Stephen A and Jay Williams were also on this bull ****.
Kyrie and Avery Bradley are speaking up for the players who are reluctant to go public that they don't want to play because of they fear backlash:Adrian Wojnarowski and Malika Andrews report Monday evening that the Nets’ Kyrie Irving and the Lakers’ Avery Bradley have become the leaders of a coalition of players who believe they need to give voice to “fellow players the group believes to be justifiably reluctant to speak for themselves.”
Irving and Bradley, the ESPN reporters write, are “two of a number of veteran players who’ve taken expanded roles in organizing player conference calls in the past week, believe they’re providing a voice for those players who fear retribution if they openly voice their concerns, sources tell ESPN.”
The coalition, they add, wants “a further examination of the NBA’s plan to restart the season in Orlando.”
Moreover, the group supplied Woj and Andrews, who covers the Nets for ESPN, with a statement whose authorship is not specified, but whose content, language and cadence is similar to what Irving has said and written in the past...“We are a group of men and women from different teams and industries that are normally painted as opponents, but have put our egos and differences aside to make sure we stand united and demand honesty during this uncertain time,” the coalition said.
“Native indigenous African Caribbean men and women entertaining the world, we will continue to use our voices and platforms for positive change and truth.
“We are truly at an inflection point in history where as a collective community, we can band together — UNIFY — and move as one. We need all our people with us and we will stand together in solidarity.
“As an oppressed community we are going on 500-plus years of being systemically targeted, used for our IP [intellectual property]/Talent, and also still being killed by the very people that are supposed to ‘protect and serve’ us.
“WE HAVE HAD ENOUGH!
“We are combating the issues that matter most: We will not accept the racial injustices that continue to be ignored in our communities. We will not be kept in the dark when it comes to our health and well-being. And we will not ignore the financial motivations/expectations that have prevented us historically from making sound decisions.
“This is not about individual players, athletes or entertainers. This is about our group of strong men and women uniting for change. We have our respective fields, however, we will not just shut up and play to distract us from what this whole system has been about: Use and Abuse.
“We are all fathers, daughters leaders and so much more. So what is our BIG picture? We are in this for UNITY and CHANGE!”
First of all, I agree with the entirety of that statement. Second, note the part that I emphasized. That wording is deliberate and clearly there are some concerns that the players have for their own safety.
And they should be concerned:
^you couldn't pay me right now to go to Florida, and I live in NEW JERSEY which was one of the big hot spots for COVID.
There are people who are going to be on the wrong side of this when this moment in time is looked back upon and I can guarantee you it will not be Kyrie Irving. So when clowns like Kendrick start running off at the mouth to step and fetch for his white employers at ESPN, remember it well when the chickens come home to roost and people start getting called out for their bull ****.
kamaze wrote:You can be right about someone and be a jackass you know.
GTR11 wrote:kamaze wrote:You can be right about someone and be a jackass you know.
Sometimes I wonder how old are you and if you studied some history ( where you have to take into account economy among other things ). If you'd know some of it I really doubt you came up with that type of response.
- Rich DeVos owns Disney, ESPN and ABC
- MDB made it clear what Kyrie stands for and he's also represents NBAPA.
- you making yourself weak fool when you start things like you said. Most of the time person will know you have no answers when you start crap like that.