Rebounds Draft : Discussion

[wackbone]

Dirk is my main man, but I was apprehensive about drafting such a weak rebounder at the 4 so early.

I didn't look into it beforehand, but his MVP in 2007 was 8.9 rpg. Not bad at all for a 4.

[Texas Chuck]

Dirk is my main man, but I was apprehensive about drafting such a weak rebounder at the 4 so early.

I didn't look into it beforehand, but his MVP in 2007 was 8.9 rpg. Not bad at all for a 4.

Dirk was a very good defensive rebounder and elite in the playoffs. His drb% for his playoff career is higher than a lot of guys seen as elite rebounders. But he didn't offensive rebound basically at all, this is based totally on the RS and as a legit offensive anchor as a big, his FGA are relatively high.

It's ironic that he's a tremendous rebounder but poor rebounding value in this. Still draft one rebounding specialist for your bench and you've covered him. He becomes a talent bargain this late for sure.

[Snakebites]

Dirk is my main man, but I was apprehensive about drafting such a weak rebounder at the 4 so early.

I didn't look into it beforehand, but his MVP in 2007 was 8.9 rpg. Not bad at all for a 4.

It’s a little more than 1 rebound for every 2 FGA spent, which isn’t a great conversion rate for one of the power positions.

[wackbone]

Dirk is my main man, but I was apprehensive about drafting such a weak rebounder at the 4 so early.

I didn't look into it beforehand, but his MVP in 2007 was 8.9 rpg. Not bad at all for a 4.

It’s a little more than 1 rebound for every 2 FGA spent, which isn’t a great conversion rate for one of the power positions.

True, but there aren't a ton of high-level guys at the 4 with any better rate. You're likely looking for a lower-tier PF to have a better rate, something like 8 rpg to 13 FGA or so.

[Snakebites]

I didn't look into it beforehand, but his MVP in 2007 was 8.9 rpg. Not bad at all for a 4.

It’s a little more than 1 rebound for every 2 FGA spent, which isn’t a great conversion rate for one of the power positions.

True, but there aren't a ton of high-level guys at the 4 with any better rate. You're likely looking for a lower-tier PF to have a better rate, something like 8 rpg to 13 FGA or so.

I'd actually say most starting power forwards in this game have a better rate than that.

[Laimbeer]

Whoa has somebody slid. Could be scary pairings at the bottom.

[wackbone]

It’s a little more than 1 rebound for every 2 FGA spent, which isn’t a great conversion rate for one of the power positions.

True, but there aren't a ton of high-level guys at the 4 with any better rate. You're likely looking for a lower-tier PF to have a better rate, something like 8 rpg to 13 FGA or so.

I'd actually say most starting power forwards in this game have a better rate than that.

Tier A:

Spoiler:

Player 1 - 18.1 FGA for 12.2 RPG
Player 2 - 18.2 FGA for 10.3 RPG
Player 3 - 17.6 FGA for 10.2 RPG
Player 4 - 14.4 FGA for 8.1 RPG

Tier B:

Spoiler:

Player 5 - 12.6 FGA for 11.6 RPG
Player 6 - 11.9 FGA for 11.4 RPG
Player 7 - 9.8 FGA for 10.0 RPG
Player 8 - 10.1 FGA for 9.5 RPG
Player 9 - 12.6 FGA for 8.0 RPG
Player 10 - 11.8 FGA for 6.9 RPG
Player 11 - 13.3 FGA for 6.8 RPG
Player 12 - 9.3 FGA for 5.4 RPG

So the top tier guys have a similar rate, and there are about half of the next tier who have a better ratio than I said previously. Obviously there is also the one notable exception, but he has a stupidly high ratio.

[Snakebites]

True, but there aren't a ton of high-level guys at the 4 with any better rate. You're likely looking for a lower-tier PF to have a better rate, something like 8 rpg to 13 FGA or so.

I'd actually say most starting power forwards in this game have a better rate than that.

Tier A:

Spoiler:

Player 1 - 18.1 FGA for 12.2 RPG
Player 2 - 18.2 FGA for 10.3 RPG
Player 3 - 17.6 FGA for 10.2 RPG
Player 4 - 14.4 FGA for 8.1 RPG

Tier B:

Spoiler:

Player 5 - 12.6 FGA for 11.6 RPG
Player 6 - 11.9 FGA for 11.4 RPG
Player 7 - 9.8 FGA for 10.0 RPG
Player 8 - 10.1 FGA for 9.5 RPG
Player 9 - 12.6 FGA for 8.0 RPG
Player 10 - 11.8 FGA for 6.9 RPG
Player 11 - 13.3 FGA for 6.8 RPG
Player 12 - 9.3 FGA for 5.4 RPG

So the top tier guys have a similar rate, and there are about half of the next tier who have a better ratio than I said previously. Obviously there is also the one notable exception, but he has a stupidly high ratio.

With player 1 you're being disingenuous by choosing a season where they have a relatively poor rate compared to the seasons one would actually choose. And even that season isn't "about the same". Player 2 has better years too, but it's not nearly as egregious.

After seeing that I didn't bother checking the rest of your list.

[Laimbeer]

I assumed Magic's RPG would be a bit higher. Probably would have picked him anyway, though.

[wackbone]

I'd actually say most starting power forwards in this game have a better rate than that.

Tier A:

Spoiler:

Player 1 - 18.1 FGA for 12.2 RPG
Player 2 - 18.2 FGA for 10.3 RPG
Player 3 - 17.6 FGA for 10.2 RPG
Player 4 - 14.4 FGA for 8.1 RPG

Tier B:

Spoiler:

Player 5 - 12.6 FGA for 11.6 RPG
Player 6 - 11.9 FGA for 11.4 RPG
Player 7 - 9.8 FGA for 10.0 RPG
Player 8 - 10.1 FGA for 9.5 RPG
Player 9 - 12.6 FGA for 8.0 RPG
Player 10 - 11.8 FGA for 6.9 RPG
Player 11 - 13.3 FGA for 6.8 RPG
Player 12 - 9.3 FGA for 5.4 RPG

So the top tier guys have a similar rate, and there are about half of the next tier who have a better ratio than I said previously. Obviously there is also the one notable exception, but he has a stupidly high ratio.

With player 1 you're being disingenuous by choosing a season where they have a relatively poor rate compared to the seasons one would actually choose. And even that season isn't "about the same". Player 2 has better years too, but it's not nearly as egregious.

After seeing that I didn't bother checking the rest of your list.

I didn't pick the season for these players based on their best FGA/RPG rate. I picked their best season/most commonly used season. Player 1 was MVP in the season I chose. Sure, you can take 1987 year for 14.6 RPG and 13.8 FGA, but wouldn't you rather have his MVP year? Wasn't being disingenuous. I picked their best/most commonly used season.

[Dr Positivity]

KG is strong in this game. Not too many PFs who are 13 rebound+ guys.

[Snakebites]

Tier A:

Spoiler:

Player 1 - 18.1 FGA for 12.2 RPG
Player 2 - 18.2 FGA for 10.3 RPG
Player 3 - 17.6 FGA for 10.2 RPG
Player 4 - 14.4 FGA for 8.1 RPG

Tier B:

Spoiler:

Player 5 - 12.6 FGA for 11.6 RPG
Player 6 - 11.9 FGA for 11.4 RPG
Player 7 - 9.8 FGA for 10.0 RPG
Player 8 - 10.1 FGA for 9.5 RPG
Player 9 - 12.6 FGA for 8.0 RPG
Player 10 - 11.8 FGA for 6.9 RPG
Player 11 - 13.3 FGA for 6.8 RPG
Player 12 - 9.3 FGA for 5.4 RPG

So the top tier guys have a similar rate, and there are about half of the next tier who have a better ratio than I said previously. Obviously there is also the one notable exception, but he has a stupidly high ratio.

With player 1 you're being disingenuous by choosing a season where they have a relatively poor rate compared to the seasons one would actually choose. And even that season isn't "about the same". Player 2 has better years too, but it's not nearly as egregious.

After seeing that I didn't bother checking the rest of your list.

I didn't pick the season for these players based on their best FGA/RPG rate. I picked their best season/most commonly used season. Player 1 was MVP in the season I chose. Sure, you can take 1987 year for 14.6 RPG and 13.8 FGA, but wouldn't you rather have his MVP year? Wasn't being disingenuous. I picked their best/most commonly used season.

But that's not the point. You chose a year for Dirk that isn't normally used because the rebounding stats are better. Most people use his Finals MVP season because of the FGA economy and accolates, plus the efficiency.

For the first guy, that's NOT his most commonly used season. He has a season around 15 FGA that is by far more commonly used, when he came close to winning the MVP and had absurd scoring numbers for the price, along with a much better rebounding exchange rate.

And by the way, 18.1 FGA and 12.2 RPG is still substanitally different than Dirk's year there, even though that's not the year I'd choose in this or any other game. It's one more FGA than Dirk and 3 extra boards.

I don't need to argue this further. I said the majority of power forwards have better rebounding exchange rates than Dirk. I think that's really clearly true. The pick may well prove to be successful, I don't know, but Dirk is poor rebounding value at his position. I'm surprised that's even a point you want to argue TBH. Dirk isn't being picked for his rebounding here.

[Snakebites]

In terms of general draft comments- I'll say this:

I thought KG would go higher. Like, I’d have taken him as high as 4 or 5 even. Most of the big rebounders present a conundrum- you need good rebounders at other spots too, but spacing becomes a concern since the big rebounders are usually not good shooters. KG is a stretch big who's also a great rebounder and can therefore potentially be paired with another great rebounder without compromising fit.

That's huge.

[euroleague]

I’m going full fun in this one. There will still be conventional picks from time to time, but no boring picks.

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[euroleague]

Some of these dips were tempting, but I couldn’t resist Rodman here. 18rpg makes him unreal value off the bench

Only need 42 for the next 7 guys, meaning 6 per guy. Initially, it’s 8 per guy, which is quite a bit harder

[parsnips33]

Was waiting to see where Rodman goes, as he's basically designed in a lab for this format. Euro can now go in just about any direction

[Snakebites]

Was waiting to see where Rodman goes, as he's basically designed in a lab for this format. Euro can now go in just about any direction

Yeah.

Only someone with a really low pick can pull it off.

I was concerned there just wouldn't be enough directions left to go if I took him where I had a pick. Euro should be fine.

[MadNESS]

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[wackbone]

I’m going full fun in this one. There will still be conventional picks from time to time, but no boring picks.

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Up Heat

[Snakebites]

I’m going full fun in this one. There will still be conventional picks from time to time, but no boring picks.

Up.

Hornets all in on the wings. Will be a challenge to build the rest of that team.