OT: Cops kill George Floyd

[2010]

Only 25% of Americans thought the Civil Rights Act needed to be enforced when it was passed. Minds don't need to change to make progress, minds will change when we drag them into the light if history is any indication. Hell the public opinion on BLM skyrocketed when the cities started burning and now even 49% of white people support the movement. I know and work with a lot of 60+ year old white men born and raised in Georgia, and Missouri but I don't know one old white man that was pro segregation as a kid.

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[Kampuchea]

I need to stay off Facebook. “ Reminder: Cops don’t bother you unless you do something wrong.”

I can’t help but react, eventually they get mad at me and say “Hey, why are you bringing up race, this conversation is about how police don’t bother people and not race”

**** trumpers

[Fury]

It wasn't an insult.

It was what you were advocating.

If you condone it, what is the difference between you committing arson and applauding someone else doing it?

If you do it, do you believe you're committing a crime or being a freedom fighter or both?

If someone else does it, do you organize a fund to bail them out or just tell us it was justified and let them rot?

There is either some kind of unity to your thought or there isn't and I'm asking you these questions because it still feels like you can justify pretty much anything, but it has no basis other than revenge.

And how selective are you at the end of the day?

When your house or apartment gets burned down do you say that's OK I was in the way of a just cause and that you're cool with sleeping under a bridge after that?

I just find this willingness to excuse anybody else's suffering to justify payback for 400 years of suffering to be more selfish than selfless.

Listen I’ve read this back and forth and you’re both right. Looting and rioting doesn’t get people on your side but at a certain point you need to ask what do people have to lose? Martin Luther King protested peacefully and got a bullet in the head for it. You can’t discount the psychological impact of seeing your leaders murdered and living under suppression for centuries during slavery and by the government post emancipation.

At a certain point you have to ask how much worse does it get? Instead of talking about looting and rioting, we should be asking how was it able to get this bad to this point. I don’t know sometimes things need to get so out of control that it’s a signal that only changes at the top will change things.

This is also revisionist history. MLK himself might've been a peaceful man but the idea that none of his protests exploded into riots isn't true and so is the idea that he didn't support rioting and rioters.

Screw a bullet in the head let's talk about how MLK got next to nothing done prior to when cities started burning down. Well over 140 race riots between 1960-68, all across America, combined with MLK's "peaceful protesting" is what worked.



By talking about violence against buildings you're playing into their game.

White people didn't even like Martin Luther King either, "peaceful protester" and all

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/10/colin-kaepernick/541845/

As The Washington Post noted last year, only 22 percent of all Americans approved of the Freedom Rides, and only 28 percent approved of the sit-ins. The vast majority of Americans—60 percent—had “unfavorable” feelings about the March on Washington. As FiveThirtyEight notes, in 1966, 63 percent of Americans had a negative opinion of Martin Luther King. The popular hostility toward King extended to the very government he tried to embrace—King was bugged and harassed by the FBI until the end of his life. His assassination sprang from the deep hostility with which he was viewed, not by a fringe radical minority, but by the majority of the American citizenry.

[E-Balla]

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There were the two near LA too. Count me dubious that suicide by tree has suddenly become vogue.

That's 4 in like 2 weeks.

[robillionaire]

there are so many cameras in manhattan it seems almost impossible someone could hang and them not get some camera evidence

[ellobo]

I'm not prepared to endorse tearing **** up or that righteous anger and militancy equals or has to take the form of tearing **** up, but...[not sure what comes after the "but"...still processing...]

So I'll say this as someone who arrived at my conclusion after a lot of thinking but there's nothing after the but. Anything after the but is a learned behavior from white supremacy learned to keep the system going. Look at how much people loved Hong Kong tearing **** up in America. Look at how much we enjoyed the Yellow Vest protests. Arab Spring. Hell we got people that'll scream free Palestine then get mad at the idea that the descendants of slaves are an ethnic group.

You're trying to process an emotional reaction into logic. Why not let that emotion be what it is while knowing that logically your emotions hold no water and shouldn't be used to paint your look at a struggle for equality?

Alright, so I'm listening...but what is the endgame after tearing **** up?

Is there ever a point of reconciliation? How do you get there? Doesn't there have to be (well, there doesn't HAVE to be, but shouldn't there be) a changing of minds AND hearts? Can you hope to establish at least a reasonable baseline of racial and social justice based on respect and understanding, or does it need to be perpetually dragged along kicking and screaming? Is there ever the possibility of a revolutionary or evolutionary change into something fundamentally different than the status quo or is it more a matter of negotiating the terms of an uneasy truce?

I am kind of reminded of the end of Jamaica Kincaid's A Small Place, a polemic about the legacy of colonialism in her home country of Antigua:

Again, Antigua is a small place, a small island. It is nine miles wide by twelve miles long. It was discovered by Christopher Columbus in 1493. Not too long after, it was settled by human rubbish from Europe, who used enslaved but noble and exalted human beings from Africa (all masters of every stripe are rubbish, and all slaves of every stripe are noble and exalted; there can be no question about this) to satisfy their desire for wealth and power, to feel better about their own miserable existence, so that they could be less lonely and empty—a European disease. Eventually, the masters left, in a kind of way; eventually, the slaves were freed, in a kind of way. The people in Antigua now, the people who really think of themselves as Antiguans (and the people who would immediately come to your mind when you think about what Antiguans might be like; I mean, supposing you were to think about it), are the descendants of those noble and exalted people, the slaves. Of course, the whole thing is, once you cease to be a master, once you throw off your master's yoke, you are no longer human rubbish, you are just a human being, and all the things that adds up to. So, too, with the slaves. Once they are no longer slaves, once they are free, they are no longer noble and exalted; they are just human beings.

In the context of the book, it's NOT (IMO) a statement of reconciliation, like "now that all this unfortunate colonial and slavery business is over, we can all get on with our lives." It's more an ironic lament about the fact that we don't and can't. As Faulkner wrote: "The past is never dead. It's not even past." But how do you get to a future that's not just a perpetual recapitulation of the past?

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There were the two near LA too. Count me dubious that suicide by tree has suddenly become vogue.

That's 4 in like 2 weeks.

Suicide is more a white man's thing. You don't really hear/see much about black people committing suicide. At least not to my knowledge.

[E-Balla]

I'm not prepared to endorse tearing **** up or that righteous anger and militancy equals or has to take the form of tearing **** up, but...[not sure what comes after the "but"...still processing...]

So I'll say this as someone who arrived at my conclusion after a lot of thinking but there's nothing after the but. Anything after the but is a learned behavior from white supremacy learned to keep the system going. Look at how much people loved Hong Kong tearing **** up in America. Look at how much we enjoyed the Yellow Vest protests. Arab Spring. Hell we got people that'll scream free Palestine then get mad at the idea that the descendants of slaves are an ethnic group.

You're trying to process an emotional reaction into logic. Why not let that emotion be what it is while knowing that logically your emotions hold no water and shouldn't be used to paint your look at a struggle for equality?

Alright, so I'm listening...but what is the endgame after tearing **** up?

Things change. Look at all the police reform happening right now. Keep the rage going long enough and 5 years from now we might be living in a society where the police kill 50-100 people a year instead of 1000+.

Is there ever a point of reconciliation? How do you get there? Doesn't there have to be (well, there doesn't HAVE to be, but shouldn't there be) a changing of minds AND hearts?

Nope. Just a changing of laws. It's been 400 years and America hasn't casted white supremacy away the whole Western world hasn't. Why believe we'll be different? That we'll be the generation that somehow closes Pandora's Box?

I'm more interested in changing the system so that it doesn't reflect minds or hearts but justice. I walk into so many racist places without knowing it because in 2020 segregation has largely been squashed. Like I said in my other post I know a lot of old southern white men and zero that supported the assassination of MLK. 67% of white people disliked MLK in 1968, I haven't met a single member of that 67% in all the thousands of old white people I've met.

Look at gay marriage, did the attitudes and hearts need to change for that to get passed or the laws?

Can you hope to establish at least a reasonable baseline of racial and social justice based on respect and understanding, or does it need to be perpetually dragged along kicking and screaming? Is there ever the possibility of a revolutionary or evolutionary change into something fundamentally different than the status quo or is more a matter of negotiating the terms of an uneasy truce?

This is a tougher question I can't answer. Personally I think no, but I also think we need to fight for reparations in the form of a few states (like the New Republic Of Africa proposal) because I feel like white people have shown no matter what dismantling white supremacy is not a goal so I'm not exactly the type of person that thinks about these things too hard. I think the only reason we're making progress here is because social issues are a very narrow area of white supremacy. If we fought this hard against the system as a whole I'm 100% of the belief that they'd rather kill us all first so I think outside the box.

Someone more empathetic of the actual faces of white supremacy than me might say otherwise and say that racial and social justice will perpetually improve, but does improving undo the damage done and do we need to reach utopia before we reach equality? Don't know. I will say that in 2020 dragging society into the light has been the only thing shown to work.

I am kind of reminded of the end of Jamaica Kincaid's A Small Place, a polemic about the legacy of colonialism in her home country of Antigua:

Again, Antigua is a small place, a small island. It is nine miles wide by twelve miles long. It was discovered by Christopher Columbus in 1493. Not too long after, it was settled by human rubbish from Europe, who used enslaved but noble and exalted human beings from Africa (all masters of every stripe are rubbish, and all slaves of every stripe are noble and exalted; there can be no question about this) to satisfy their desire for wealth and power, to feel better about their own miserable existence, so that they could be less lonely and empty—a European disease. Eventually, the masters left, in a kind of way; eventually, the slaves were freed, in a kind of way. The people in Antigua now, the people who really think of themselves as Antiguans (and the people who would immediately come to your mind when you think about what Antiguans might be like; I mean, supposing you were to think about it), are the descendants of those noble and exalted people, the slaves. Of course, the whole thing is, once you cease to be a master, once you throw off your master's yoke, you are no longer human rubbish, you are just a human being, and all the things that adds up to. So, too, with the slaves. Once they are no longer slaves, once they are free, they are no longer noble and exalted; they are just human beings.

In the context of the book, it's NOT (IMO) a statement of reconciliation, like "now that all this unfortunate colonial and slavery business is over, we can all get on with our lives." It's more an ironic lament about the fact that we don't and can't. As Faulkner wrote: "The past is never dead. It's not even past." But how do you get to a future that's not just a perpetual recapitulation of the past?

Great question and great passage. I think the biggest positive to breaking the loop of history was the industrial revolution. We now live in a time where scarcity is 100% created by man. If man could ever relearn eons of programming telling us we live in a zero sum world chances are we can break the loop. Time will tell if we reach that point before destroying earth though.

[ellobo]

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So I'll say this as someone who arrived at my conclusion after a lot of thinking but there's nothing after the but. Anything after the but is a learned behavior from white supremacy learned to keep the system going. Look at how much people loved Hong Kong tearing **** up in America. Look at how much we enjoyed the Yellow Vest protests. Arab Spring. Hell we got people that'll scream free Palestine then get mad at the idea that the descendants of slaves are an ethnic group.

You're trying to process an emotional reaction into logic. Why not let that emotion be what it is while knowing that logically your emotions hold no water and shouldn't be used to paint your look at a struggle for equality?

Alright, so I'm listening...but what is the endgame after tearing **** up?

Things change. Look at all the police reform happening right now. Keep the rage going long enough and 5 years from now we might be living in a society where the police kill 50-100 people a year instead of 1000+.

Is there ever a point of reconciliation? How do you get there? Doesn't there have to be (well, there doesn't HAVE to be, but shouldn't there be) a changing of minds AND hearts?

Nope. Just a changing of laws. It's been 400 years and America hasn't casted white supremacy away the whole Western world hasn't. Why believe we'll be different? That we'll be the generation that somehow closes Pandora's Box?

I'm more interested in changing the system so that it doesn't reflect minds or hearts but justice. I walk into so many racist places without knowing it because in 2020 segregation has largely been squashed. Like I said in my other post I know a lot of old southern white men and zero that supported the assassination of MLK. 67% of white people disliked MLK in 1968, I haven't met a single member of that 67% in all the thousands of old white people I've met.

Look at gay marriage, did the attitudes and hearts need to change for that to get passed or the laws?

Spoiler:

Can you hope to establish at least a reasonable baseline of racial and social justice based on respect and understanding, or does it need to be perpetually dragged along kicking and screaming? Is there ever the possibility of a revolutionary or evolutionary change into something fundamentally different than the status quo or is more a matter of negotiating the terms of an uneasy truce?

This is a tougher question I can't answer. Personally I think no, but I also think we need to fight for reparations in the form of a few states (like the New Republic Of Africa proposal) because I feel like white people have shown no matter what dismantling white supremacy is not a goal so I'm not exactly the type of person that thinks about these things too hard. I think the only reason we're making progress here is because social issues are a very narrow area of white supremacy. If we fought this hard against the system as a whole I'm 100% of the belief that they'd rather kill us all first so I think outside the box.

Someone more empathetic of the actual faces of white supremacy than me might say otherwise and say that racial and social justice will perpetually improve, but does improving undo the damage done and do we need to reach utopia before we reach equality? Don't know. I will say that in 2020 dragging society into the light has been the only thing shown to work.

I am kind of reminded of the end of Jamaica Kincaid's A Small Place, a polemic about the legacy of colonialism in her home country of Antigua:

Again, Antigua is a small place, a small island. It is nine miles wide by twelve miles long. It was discovered by Christopher Columbus in 1493. Not too long after, it was settled by human rubbish from Europe, who used enslaved but noble and exalted human beings from Africa (all masters of every stripe are rubbish, and all slaves of every stripe are noble and exalted; there can be no question about this) to satisfy their desire for wealth and power, to feel better about their own miserable existence, so that they could be less lonely and empty—a European disease. Eventually, the masters left, in a kind of way; eventually, the slaves were freed, in a kind of way. The people in Antigua now, the people who really think of themselves as Antiguans (and the people who would immediately come to your mind when you think about what Antiguans might be like; I mean, supposing you were to think about it), are the descendants of those noble and exalted people, the slaves. Of course, the whole thing is, once you cease to be a master, once you throw off your master's yoke, you are no longer human rubbish, you are just a human being, and all the things that adds up to. So, too, with the slaves. Once they are no longer slaves, once they are free, they are no longer noble and exalted; they are just human beings.

In the context of the book, it's NOT (IMO) a statement of reconciliation, like "now that all this unfortunate colonial and slavery business is over, we can all get on with our lives." It's more an ironic lament about the fact that we don't and can't. As Faulkner wrote: "The past is never dead. It's not even past." But how do you get to a future that's not just a perpetual recapitulation of the past?

Great question and great passage. I think the biggest positive to breaking the loop of history was the industrial revolution. We now live in a time where scarcity is 100% created by man. If man could ever relearn eons of programming telling us we live in a zero sum world chances are we can break the loop. Time will tell if we reach that point before destroying earth though.

Thanks for the dialog.

I disagree on gay marriage though. When I was growing up, gay marriage was pretty much inconceivable. There were a few "suspect" queers in my high school who got picked on regularly and NO ONE was out. Nowadays among my high school students, being gay is just another flavor of normal. We have openly trans and non-binary students, they are mostly accepted and supported, and homophobic behavior is not tolerated -- it's the homophobes who have to stay closeted (maybe THEIR hearts and minds haven't changed, but now they know they are in the minority because those of the majority have).

I know that's not necessarily the status quo in many places, but in my observation people's hearts and minds have changed radically in a generation. And I don't think that's because laws were passed -- I think the laws were passed because a critical mass of people's hearts and minds changed, and now the laws reinforce the normalization of the beliefs and attitudes.

[robillionaire]

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Alright, so I'm listening...but what is the endgame after tearing **** up?

Things change. Look at all the police reform happening right now. Keep the rage going long enough and 5 years from now we might be living in a society where the police kill 50-100 people a year instead of 1000+.

Is there ever a point of reconciliation? How do you get there? Doesn't there have to be (well, there doesn't HAVE to be, but shouldn't there be) a changing of minds AND hearts?

Nope. Just a changing of laws. It's been 400 years and America hasn't casted white supremacy away the whole Western world hasn't. Why believe we'll be different? That we'll be the generation that somehow closes Pandora's Box?

I'm more interested in changing the system so that it doesn't reflect minds or hearts but justice. I walk into so many racist places without knowing it because in 2020 segregation has largely been squashed. Like I said in my other post I know a lot of old southern white men and zero that supported the assassination of MLK. 67% of white people disliked MLK in 1968, I haven't met a single member of that 67% in all the thousands of old white people I've met.

Look at gay marriage, did the attitudes and hearts need to change for that to get passed or the laws?

Spoiler:

Can you hope to establish at least a reasonable baseline of racial and social justice based on respect and understanding, or does it need to be perpetually dragged along kicking and screaming? Is there ever the possibility of a revolutionary or evolutionary change into something fundamentally different than the status quo or is more a matter of negotiating the terms of an uneasy truce?

This is a tougher question I can't answer. Personally I think no, but I also think we need to fight for reparations in the form of a few states (like the New Republic Of Africa proposal) because I feel like white people have shown no matter what dismantling white supremacy is not a goal so I'm not exactly the type of person that thinks about these things too hard. I think the only reason we're making progress here is because social issues are a very narrow area of white supremacy. If we fought this hard against the system as a whole I'm 100% of the belief that they'd rather kill us all first so I think outside the box.

Someone more empathetic of the actual faces of white supremacy than me might say otherwise and say that racial and social justice will perpetually improve, but does improving undo the damage done and do we need to reach utopia before we reach equality? Don't know. I will say that in 2020 dragging society into the light has been the only thing shown to work.

I am kind of reminded of the end of Jamaica Kincaid's A Small Place, a polemic about the legacy of colonialism in her home country of Antigua:


In the context of the book, it's NOT (IMO) a statement of reconciliation, like "now that all this unfortunate colonial and slavery business is over, we can all get on with our lives." It's more an ironic lament about the fact that we don't and can't. As Faulkner wrote: "The past is never dead. It's not even past." But how do you get to a future that's not just a perpetual recapitulation of the past?

Great question and great passage. I think the biggest positive to breaking the loop of history was the industrial revolution. We now live in a time where scarcity is 100% created by man. If man could ever relearn eons of programming telling us we live in a zero sum world chances are we can break the loop. Time will tell if we reach that point before destroying earth though.

Thanks for the dialog.

I disagree on gay marriage though. When I was growing up, gay marriage was pretty much inconceivable. There were a few "suspect" queers in my high school who got picked on regularly and NO ONE was out. Nowadays among my high school students, being gay is just another flavor of normal. We have openly trans and non-binary students, they are mostly accepted and supported, and homophobic behavior is not tolerated -- it's the homophobes who have to stay closeted (maybe THEIR hearts and minds haven't changed, but now they know they are in the minority because those of the majority have).

I know that's not necessarily the status quo in many places, but in my observation people's hearts and minds have changed radically in a generation. And I don't think that's because laws were passed -- I think the laws were passed because a critical mass of people's hearts and minds changed, and now the laws reinforce the normalization of the beliefs and attitudes.

The stonewall riots are now viewed as heroic riots that sparked the turning of the tide. So may these

[Jkam31]

after watching the video the first cop was willing to let him pull off to the side and sleep it off, the second cop wanted to bust him for DWI, nether were the right or smart movie .....let him stay to sleep it off he could wake up still drunk and kill someone and busting him on the spot is a super dick cop move, they should of let him get a uber or someone pick him up

the cops had his ID and his car where did they think he was going?...... honestly i didn't know they talked that much before the fight, did they fear he was going to what try and jack another car and go all GTA no reason to shoot at all /sigh

Seriously this nonsense has to stop, there’s no such thing as sleeping off a DUI wtf. He failed a dui test there’s no hey we’ll come back tomorrow go sleep over there he broke the law and was being handcuffed. All of the sudden we’re defending Drunk drivers think about that some are defending drunk drivers saying we should let them sleep it off and get them the next day

So that made it ok to kill him????? GTFO, nonsense is what’s coming out of your ignorant mouth,

he was killed cause he was sleeping and they just woke him up?

[Jkam31]

after watching the video the first cop was willing to let him pull off to the side and sleep it off, the second cop wanted to bust him for DWI, nether were the right or smart movie .....let him stay to sleep it off he could wake up still drunk and kill someone and busting him on the spot is a super dick cop move, they should of let him get a uber or someone pick him up

the cops had his ID and his car where did they think he was going?...... honestly i didn't know they talked that much before the fight, did they fear he was going to what try and jack another car and go all GTA no reason to shoot at all /sigh

Seriously this nonsense has to stop, there’s no such thing as sleeping off a DUI wtf. He failed a dui test there’s no hey we’ll come back tomorrow go sleep over there he broke the law and was being handcuffed. All of the sudden we’re defending Drunk drivers think about that some are defending drunk drivers saying we should let them sleep it off and get them the next day

They could have taken his keys and told them to pick them up the next morning. They could have towed the car to the police impound lot. The police could have given him a citation for dui the next day. The man was not belligerent or showing a threat to himself or others. Finally, a dui is not a death sentence. You don’t shoot an unarmed fleeing suspect.

When you fail a breathalyzer or field test you are placed under arrest and are taken to jail, 6 hours later you’re released. You sleep and chill in the in jail with the other drunk guys not in your car, comical for someone to say let him sleep it off in his car. That **** doesn’t even happen in movies let alone real life

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Seriously this nonsense has to stop, there’s no such thing as sleeping off a DUI wtf. He failed a dui test there’s no hey we’ll come back tomorrow go sleep over there he broke the law and was being handcuffed. All of the sudden we’re defending Drunk drivers think about that some are defending drunk drivers saying we should let them sleep it off and get them the next day

They could have taken his keys and told them to pick them up the next morning. They could have towed the car to the police impound lot. The police could have given him a citation for dui the next day. The man was not belligerent or showing a threat to himself or others. Finally, a dui is not a death sentence. You don’t shoot an unarmed fleeing suspect.

When you fail a breathalyzer or field test you are placed under arrest and are taken to jail, 6 hours later you’re released. You sleep and chill in the in jail with the other drunk guys not in your car, comical for someone to say let him sleep it off in his car. That **** doesn’t even happen in movies let alone real life

that is what the first cop said "ill move my car, just pull up somewhere and take a nap" obviously he thought better of the idea or wanted him to sober up a little and buy time till the second cop gets there, one of the first questions the second cop (tho one who tried to arrest him) was if he was in the line or not.... if he was thats DUI if he was just drunk in his car in a parking lot they would of handled differently

https://youtu.be/hnRuWcgflaE?t=34

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[Pointgod]

But have black people voted in sustained and consistent fashion over decades.

Umm... Yes????? I wouldn't be shocked by this question if it wasn't you of all people asking this I thought you'd know better.

Have they voted in off year elections?

Yes...

Have they overwhelmingly voted and ran in local elections.

Yes!

This can't be an argument I'm seriously having in 2020 with Pointgod of all people...

The reason the right caters to those religious freaks (relax people in religious myself) is because they can single handedly deliver votes. The intensity of the pro life movement and Evangelical Christians is scary but informative. I believe I read somewhere there are more black people in the South than other areas. I think black people engaged, focused and targeted can absolutely make political change.

How do you make a change when no one else supports you? Like let's be real here do Asians and Latinos vote? No? Do they have it better than us in the system mostly because black people do vote and support their causes? Yep. Democrats will shutdown the government for DACA specifically because they can't rely on the votes of Latinos but you tell them you wanna know what they'll do for black people and all they got for you is that if you don't vote for them, "you ain't black," but that's on us? We're supposed to hold that? GA's out here tossing our votes out while Dems do nothing because they want to pretend the Democracy is healthy and that's on us?

Now this becomes a chicken or the egg situation. Are black people in certain geographies not political heavy weights because they don’t vote or is it that the parties haven’t engaged them enough to give them a reason to vote. Politicians will do what’s in their interests. If black votes could put a Republican in office, then believe me these soulless ghouls will be out marching with Black Lives Matter. Same thing with Democrats, show that Democrats can’t take their votes for granted and vote for Republicans. Staying at home or not being engaged gets you zero political power.

One thing I don’t understand is why there isn’t a lobby for the issues affecting the black community? We all know lobbyists and money talks. You could control GOP politicians like puppets if you paid them enough, these people have no scruples.

Look at the numbers bro. Black people outvoted white people with Obama on the ballot. Black southerners in local elections (where the candidates are likely to be black) outvote everyone in America. Black people have shown time and time again that even with voter suppression we'll show up just about as much as white people and that with candidates we want on the ballot we'd show up MORE than other people.

The reason we get nothing is they want us to have nothing. There is no solidarity we haven't fought to gain, we haven't forced them to show. That's a fact and it's always been one. The reason Democrats do nothing for us is this must vote mindset only we seem to have. No other group votes for a politician explicitly promising them nothing out of obligation but us and it's made it so that politically we accomplish nothing through voting. I'm not saying don't vote, but if your only goal is fixing issues for us and you think voting will move the needle even a little bit you need your head checked or to pick up some books. There's no chicken and the egg here we've known how the lack of care for black people in politics started since we were kids and learned about slavery for the first time.

Come you should know that when you’re speaking with me I don’t post anything that I haven’t done research on or don’t have facts to back it up. You’re right Black voter turnout was high when Obama was on the ballot or if there are black candidates, but that type of turnout needs to be consistent and high for all elections and all Democratic candidates. For example turnout went down between 2012 and 2016.

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/up-front/2019/09/12/setting-the-record-straight-on-black-voter-turnout/

In fact, Black voter turnout was within 1 percentage point of whites in 2008 (65.2% compared to 66.1%) and was actually higher than whites in 2012 (66.6% compared to 64.1%). In 2016, voter turnout for Blacks dipped to 59.6%. While that number was lower than whites (65.3%), it was still higher than Asians (49.3%) and Hispanics (47.6%).

The article brings up a lot of the same valid points you bring up about voter suppression and I’ll always **** on the racist Republican tactics like voter suppression and gerrymandering, unfortunately that means black people need to show up in higher numbers to put people in office that will get rid of those laws (and you guys are so close)

What can’t happen is what happened in 2010.
https://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/19/us/in-black-vote-democrats-see-lifeline-for-midterms.html

Black voters made history in 2012, exit polling and census data show, when they turned out at a rate higher than whites to help re-elect Mr. Obama. But fewer voters go to polls in midterm elections. In 2010, a disastrous year for Democrats, blacks voted at a rate lower than whites, creating a “turnout gap.”

The numbers are significant. Although more than 1.1 million black Georgians went to the polls in 2012, only about 741,000 voted in 2010. In North Carolina, Democrats say there are nearly one million black registered voters who did not vote in 2010.

Now I’m not going to blame losing any election on black voter turnout. Keep in mind, this was before Shelby vs Holder so this can’t be attributed to dismantling the voting rights act. Organizations like the DNC are also to blame in these cases but like I said, look at Evangelicals, they vote with intensity and wield their political power like a weapon. You can’t wield power if you sit out of voting.

The Democrats didn’t shut down the government for DACA. Remember Schumer offered Trump 20 billion for the wall for DACA provisions. Trump is just such a **** moron that he chose to shutdown the government instead of taking the deal. I’m sure activists would have hated the Democrats for that deal but that’s the reality when you don’t have political power. The DACA deal didn’t just help Hispanic people, there are also black DACA recipients, fighting for those protections was the right thing to do. Democrats have power now in Congress and they’ve moved quickly on police reforms. Again it doesn’t go far enough, but as long as Mitch McConnell runs the Senate options are limited. That’s why the voting needs to happen to take back the Senate and Presidency. And if that happens the pressure on the Democrats needs to remain to ensure they push as far as they can. But to do that black voters need to demonstrate voting power.

[Pointgod]

Seriously this nonsense has to stop, there’s no such thing as sleeping off a DUI wtf. He failed a dui test there’s no hey we’ll come back tomorrow go sleep over there he broke the law and was being handcuffed. All of the sudden we’re defending Drunk drivers think about that some are defending drunk drivers saying we should let them sleep it off and get them the next day

They could have taken his keys and told them to pick them up the next morning. They could have towed the car to the police impound lot. The police could have given him a citation for dui the next day. The man was not belligerent or showing a threat to himself or others. Finally, a dui is not a death sentence. You don’t shoot an unarmed fleeing suspect.

When you fail a breathalyzer or field test you are placed under arrest and are taken to jail, 6 hours later you’re released. You sleep and chill in the in jail with the other drunk guys not in your car, comical for someone to say let him sleep it off in his car. That **** doesn’t even happen in movies let alone real life

You and I know both know that cops have a wide discretion with what they could have done. I never once said to have him sleep in the car. However the man wasn’t acting belligerent, he didn’t pose a danger to himself or the officer before they attempted to arrest him. So they could have taken his keys and let him walk to his sisters place. If they were worried he’d have a spare set, then tow the car and provide a citation the following morning when he picks up his vehicle. I know you’re not naive enough to believe that police always follow the letter of the law.

[Capn'O]

Well damn. Officers are getting fired and non-trivial reforms left and right. Shoulda burned down a Wendys ages ago...

[kane]

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i think they are doing the smart thing, if this breaks into mainstream news there will be a lot of scared and angry people looking for street justice and payback...

they are doing heir due diligence to find out who is doing this suicide or not, you dont want to bring this up to the national media without some answers .... unless you want to just make june the official purge moth

[Retired_Doc]

They could have taken his keys and told them to pick them up the next morning. They could have towed the car to the police impound lot. The police could have given him a citation for dui the next day. The man was not belligerent or showing a threat to himself or others. Finally, a dui is not a death sentence. You don’t shoot an unarmed fleeing suspect.

When you fail a breathalyzer or field test you are placed under arrest and are taken to jail, 6 hours later you’re released. You sleep and chill in the in jail with the other drunk guys not in your car, comical for someone to say let him sleep it off in his car. That **** doesn’t even happen in movies let alone real life

You and I know both know that cops have a wide discretion with what they could have done. I never once said to have him sleep in the car. However the man wasn’t acting belligerent, he didn’t pose a danger to himself or the officer before they attempted to arrest him. So they could have taken his keys and let him walk to his sisters place. If they were worried he’d have a spare set, then tow the car and provide a citation the following morning when he picks up his vehicle. I know you’re not naive enough to believe that police always follow the letter of the law.

Sorry, I disagree. As soon as the cops tried to put the cuffs on Mr. Brooks' wrist and he subsequently not only resisted, but actually attacked the officers, then fired that laser gun at them, Mr. Brooks deserved everything that came to him.

We live in a land of law and order. If you don't follow police instructions and you fire a gun at a cop (Laser or otherwise) you are risking your life. He risked his and paid the ultimate price.

When the police arrest you, you follow their orders. Period. And when you're drunk you have no business sitting behind the wheel of an automobile.

And this incident had nothing to do with racism. It was a criminal against the law. In no way does this incident rival the George Floyd incident. Floyd wasn't fighting the cops. Brooks was.

[Fat Kat]

Violence doesn't accomplish anything tho. Right?

This country was founded on genocide, built on the backs of slaves and has constantly been embroiled in one war or another for decades. Beware of violent people telling YOU to be non-violent. Beware of people killing you, telling you to be peaceful. Beware of violent folks attempting to rewrite history, painting all successful movements as non-violent. It’s bullchit. There’s no nobility in being toothless, just impotence.

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The man in this video and been in office for decades. What did my people voting him into office do for George Floyd? I'm sure he's done plenty good for America but what about us as a people? How can you help people through a system designed and operated to ensure their destruction.

“If it is right for America to draft us, and teach us how to be violent in defense of her, then it is right for you and me to do whatever is necessary to defend our own people right here in this country.” ~ Malcom