OT: Cops kill George Floyd

[aq_ua]

When you fail a breathalyzer or field test you are placed under arrest and are taken to jail, 6 hours later you’re released. You sleep and chill in the in jail with the other drunk guys not in your car, comical for someone to say let him sleep it off in his car. That **** doesn’t even happen in movies let alone real life

You and I know both know that cops have a wide discretion with what they could have done. I never once said to have him sleep in the car. However the man wasn’t acting belligerent, he didn’t pose a danger to himself or the officer before they attempted to arrest him. So they could have taken his keys and let him walk to his sisters place. If they were worried he’d have a spare set, then tow the car and provide a citation the following morning when he picks up his vehicle. I know you’re not naive enough to believe that police always follow the letter of the law.

Sorry, I disagree. As soon as the cops tried to put the cuffs on Mr. Brooks' wrist and he subsequently not only resisted, but actually attacked the officers, then fired that laser gun at them, Mr. Brooks deserved everything that came to him.

We live in a land of law and order. If you don't follow police instructions and you fire a gun at a cop (Laser or otherwise) you are risking your life. He risked his and paid the ultimate price.

When the police arrest you, you follow their orders. Period. And when you're drunk you have no business sitting behind the wheel of an automobile.

And this incident had nothing to do with racism. It was a criminal against the law. In no way does this incident rival the George Floyd incident. Floyd wasn't fighting the cops. Brooks was.

We live in a land of law and order. If you don't follow police instructions and you fire a gun at a cop (Laser or otherwise) you are risking your life. He risked his and paid the ultimate price.

Any gun? What about a water gun? A Nerf gun? What about the use of a non-lethal tool calls for a lethal response?

Why do we think it's a non-lethal tool? Because the police were using it to try to subdue an unarmed man.

So you're stuck in a logic of, either (1) police used a lethal response against a non-lethal tool, or, (2) police used a lethal weapon against an unarmed man. They both sound pretty bad.

No where in the developed world does "law and order" mean "kill unarmed people that disobey".

[SelbyCobra]

Black Zebra Productions of Sacramento (who has been documenting everything about the protests here in the state capital in incredible fashion) went to the Mayor's neighborhood at 4:30AM today and gave everyone a "wakeup call". This probably hits different for me living in a super racist and white supremacy fueled Sac suburb, but god damn was this satisfying to watch. I doubt this leads directly to change, but if nothing else it's great entertainment and brings it into these peoples' neighborhood bubble. He's addressing the man by his first name, interspersing it with NWA/Cube/Dilated Peoples cuts over a PA system, and honking horns. At 4:30 AM. It's so awesome.

Drive around the block, honk horns. Listen to people yelling from their houses to STFU. Encounter a Karen. Tell the people over the PA that if they're upset by this wakeup, they need to "talk to Darrell". It's glorious.

And just to be clear, Sac PD has some heinous sh*t on their hands recently. Of course all PDs do, but this is not one of those forces on the "better" end of the spectrum in terms of blatant disregard for black bodies.

https://www.facebook.com/blackzebraproductions/videos/261710744908340/

[SelbyCobra]

Violence doesn't accomplish anything tho. Right?

This country was founded on genocide, built on the backs of slaves and has constantly been embroiled in one war or another for decades. Beware of violent people telling YOU to be non-violent. Beware of people killing you, telling you to be peaceful. Beware of violent folks attempting to rewrite history, painting all successful movements as non-violent. It’s bullchit. There’s no nobility in being toothless, just impotence.

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The man in this video and been in office for decades. What did my people voting him into office do for George Floyd? I'm sure he's done plenty good for America but what about us as a people? How can you help people through a system designed and operated to ensure their destruction.

Who is this and what is it from? The interviewer is gloriously devastated.

[Fat Kat]

This country was founded on genocide, built on the backs of slaves and has constantly been embroiled in one war or another for decades. Beware of violent people telling YOU to be non-violent. Beware of people killing you, telling you to be peaceful. Beware of violent folks attempting to rewrite history, painting all successful movements as non-violent. It’s bullchit. There’s no nobility in being toothless, just impotence.

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The man in this video and been in office for decades. What did my people voting him into office do for George Floyd? I'm sure he's done plenty good for America but what about us as a people? How can you help people through a system designed and operated to ensure their destruction.

Who is this and what is it from? The interviewer is gloriously devastated.

Ernie Chambers. This was filmed in 1966. He’s currently a senator in Nebraska.

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[Rich Rane]

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Looks like the militia group that was detained is still alive for the record.

[HarthorneWingo]

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Looks like the militia group that was detained is still alive for the record.

The shooting occurred during a clash between individuals trying to take down the controversial sculpture and five or six heavily armed New Mexico Civil Guard members, a civilian group, trying to protect the monument that features conquistador Juan de Oñate.

“One male subject was shot and has been transported to (University of New Mexico Hospital) in unknown condition,” Albuquerque Police Department spokesman Gilbert Gallegos said in an email. “Officers are securing the scene. Detectives will be investigating this scene.”

The shooting occurred during a fight between a man in a blue shirt and people trying to pull down the statue. The man was pushed onto the street, pulled a can of mace from his pocket and sprayed it.

At that point, the man in the blue shirt appeared to have pulled a gun and fired about five shots, wounding one.

People ran for cover amid screams.

“Somebody got shot,” one person yelled.

The victim was lying in the middle of the intersection of 20th Street and Mountain.

Following the shooting, dozens of protesters remained behind milling around the street as a row of officers in riot gear formed a line blocking off Mountain in front of an armored vehicle.

They made announcements for people on top of the roof at 20th and Mountain to come down.

As some demonstrators let the air out of a Sunvan parked in the middle of the road, others urged people to stay peaceful and go home.

One man, an EMT acting as a protest medic, said he had been one of the first to approach the wounded man. He said he had been shot one time.

[E-Balla]

Come you should know that when you’re speaking with me I don’t post anything that I haven’t done research on or don’t have facts to back it up. You’re right Black voter turnout was high when Obama was on the ballot or if there are black candidates, but that type of turnout needs to be consistent and high for all elections and all Democratic candidates. For example turnout went down between 2012 and 2016.

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/up-front/2019/09/12/setting-the-record-straight-on-black-voter-turnout/

I mean... We're not going to pretend there's not obvious reasons for that (voter suppression) not to mention the fact that Democrats don't ever really try to get our votes. It's impressive turnout is that high based on nothing but moral obligation.

In fact, Black voter turnout was within 1 percentage point of whites in 2008 (65.2% compared to 66.1%) and was actually higher than whites in 2012 (66.6% compared to 64.1%). In 2016, voter turnout for Blacks dipped to 59.6%. While that number was lower than whites (65.3%), it was still higher than Asians (49.3%) and Hispanics (47.6%).

The article brings up a lot of the same valid points you bring up about voter suppression and I’ll always **** on the racist Republican tactics like voter suppression and gerrymandering, unfortunately that means black people need to show up in higher numbers to put people in office that will get rid of those laws (and you guys are so close)

You don't win rigged games by playing them. And again none of this changes the fact that black voters have been king makers in the Democratic Party and the politicians still don't care about us.

Best case scenario black people vote more and we have Hillary as president. George Floyd is still dead. Police violence still high. White supremacy still reigns.

What can’t happen is what happened in 2010.
https://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/19/us/in-black-vote-democrats-see-lifeline-for-midterms.html

Black voters made history in 2012, exit polling and census data show, when they turned out at a rate higher than whites to help re-elect Mr. Obama. But fewer voters go to polls in midterm elections. In 2010, a disastrous year for Democrats, blacks voted at a rate lower than whites, creating a “turnout gap.”

The numbers are significant. Although more than 1.1 million black Georgians went to the polls in 2012, only about 741,000 voted in 2010. In North Carolina, Democrats say there are nearly one million black registered voters who did not vote in 2010.

Now I’m not going to blame losing any election on black voter turnout. Keep in mind, this was before Shelby vs Holder so this can’t be attributed to dismantling the voting rights act. Organizations like the DNC are also to blame in these cases but like I said, look at Evangelicals, they vote with intensity and wield their political power like a weapon. You can’t wield power if you sit out of voting.

The Democrats didn’t shut down the government for DACA. Remember Schumer offered Trump 20 billion for the wall for DACA provisions. Trump is just such a **** moron that he chose to shutdown the government instead of taking the deal. I’m sure activists would have hated the Democrats for that deal but that’s the reality when you don’t have political power. The DACA deal didn’t just help Hispanic people, there are also black DACA recipients, fighting for those protections was the right thing to do. Democrats have power now in Congress and they’ve moved quickly on police reforms. Again it doesn’t go far enough, but as long as Mitch McConnell runs the Senate options are limited. That’s why the voting needs to happen to take back the Senate and Presidency. And if that happens the pressure on the Democrats needs to remain to ensure they push as far as they can. But to do that black voters need to demonstrate voting power.

Bro Trump held out asking for more. Democrats said no. That's shutting down for DACA. Black voters need to vote just to maintain what we have. Never have we gained from voting.

[Jkam31]

They could have taken his keys and told them to pick them up the next morning. They could have towed the car to the police impound lot. The police could have given him a citation for dui the next day. The man was not belligerent or showing a threat to himself or others. Finally, a dui is not a death sentence. You don’t shoot an unarmed fleeing suspect.

When you fail a breathalyzer or field test you are placed under arrest and are taken to jail, 6 hours later you’re released. You sleep and chill in the in jail with the other drunk guys not in your car, comical for someone to say let him sleep it off in his car. That **** doesn’t even happen in movies let alone real life

that is what the first cop said "ill move my car, just pull up somewhere and take a nap" obviously he thought better of the idea or wanted him to sober up a little and buy time till the second cop gets there, one of the first questions the second cop (tho one who tried to arrest him) was if he was in the line or not.... if he was thats DUI if he was just drunk in his car in a parking lot they would of handled differently

https://youtu.be/hnRuWcgflaE?t=34

He thought better after he failed the test. Why would any dui person get arrested if you can just pull over and sleep or can call your friend to get you. Everyone has friends and all would come instead of letting you go to jail. For someone to say let criminals sleep off there crime is absurd can’t even believe this is being debated

[Jkam31]

They could have taken his keys and told them to pick them up the next morning. They could have towed the car to the police impound lot. The police could have given him a citation for dui the next day. The man was not belligerent or showing a threat to himself or others. Finally, a dui is not a death sentence. You don’t shoot an unarmed fleeing suspect.

When you fail a breathalyzer or field test you are placed under arrest and are taken to jail, 6 hours later you’re released. You sleep and chill in the in jail with the other drunk guys not in your car, comical for someone to say let him sleep it off in his car. That **** doesn’t even happen in movies let alone real life

You and I know both know that cops have a wide discretion with what they could have done. I never once said to have him sleep in the car. However the man wasn’t acting belligerent, he didn’t pose a danger to himself or the officer before they attempted to arrest him. So they could have taken his keys and let him walk to his sisters place. If they were worried he’d have a spare set, then tow the car and provide a citation the following morning when he picks up his vehicle. I know you’re not naive enough to believe that police always follow the letter of the law.

In what World do dui people get to go home, where. Why the **** is it the cops fault that he acted belligerent and posed a threat after he was gonna be placed under arrest. This is getting out of hand, nothing he did mattered it’s all the cops fault is the dumbest thing I’ve heard in a while. The cops treated him with respect from the word go he’ll you can make a case they were too friendly. The new world we live in now is for cops to stop drunk drivers and say hey sleep it off pal or call someone to get you you’re not going to jail, hilarious.

[Jkam31]

When you fail a breathalyzer or field test you are placed under arrest and are taken to jail, 6 hours later you’re released. You sleep and chill in the in jail with the other drunk guys not in your car, comical for someone to say let him sleep it off in his car. That **** doesn’t even happen in movies let alone real life

You and I know both know that cops have a wide discretion with what they could have done. I never once said to have him sleep in the car. However the man wasn’t acting belligerent, he didn’t pose a danger to himself or the officer before they attempted to arrest him. So they could have taken his keys and let him walk to his sisters place. If they were worried he’d have a spare set, then tow the car and provide a citation the following morning when he picks up his vehicle. I know you’re not naive enough to believe that police always follow the letter of the law.

Sorry, I disagree. As soon as the cops tried to put the cuffs on Mr. Brooks' wrist and he subsequently not only resisted, but actually attacked the officers, then fired that laser gun at them, Mr. Brooks deserved everything that came to him.

We live in a land of law and order. If you don't follow police instructions and you fire a gun at a cop (Laser or otherwise) you are risking your life. He risked his and paid the ultimate price.

When the police arrest you, you follow their orders. Period. And when you're drunk you have no business sitting behind the wheel of an automobile.

And this incident had nothing to do with racism. It was a criminal against the law. In no way does this incident rival the George Floyd incident. Floyd wasn't fighting the cops. Brooks was.

It actually pusses me off this is being debated like what the actual ****

[Capn'O]

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Ah ****. This is what I've been worried about. There are a lot of those trucks. Most of 'em are scared to go into cities.

[HarthorneWingo]

This is some pretty wild chit. This video is from a black dude filing at the Jesse Helms Federal Court Building in South Carolina.

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[E-Balla]

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The man in this video and been in office for decades. What did my people voting him into office do for George Floyd? I'm sure he's done plenty good for America but what about us as a people? How can you help people through a system designed and operated to ensure their destruction.

Who is this and what is it from? The interviewer is gloriously devastated.

Ernie Chambers. This was filmed in 1966. He’s currently a senator in Nebraska.

That clip is from this film

Watch on YouTube

Yep. I heard of Chambers for the first time when he got in trouble for saying the police are his ISIS back when BLM was barely off the ground. Pre Kaep.

[E-Balla]

When you fail a breathalyzer or field test you are placed under arrest and are taken to jail, 6 hours later you’re released. You sleep and chill in the in jail with the other drunk guys not in your car, comical for someone to say let him sleep it off in his car. That **** doesn’t even happen in movies let alone real life

You and I know both know that cops have a wide discretion with what they could have done. I never once said to have him sleep in the car. However the man wasn’t acting belligerent, he didn’t pose a danger to himself or the officer before they attempted to arrest him. So they could have taken his keys and let him walk to his sisters place. If they were worried he’d have a spare set, then tow the car and provide a citation the following morning when he picks up his vehicle. I know you’re not naive enough to believe that police always follow the letter of the law.

In what World do dui people get to go home, where.

In Georgia?

Source: Lived here 15 years now.

Like honestly I know so many white people that have crashed drunk (no DUI), been pulled over drunk (let his wife drive home without even asking if she drank), and have fallen asleep in a car drunk at drive thrus (I've encountered this twice so far). Hell the first cop that arrived was going to let him go only the second cop escalated things.

Why the **** is it the cops fault that he acted belligerent and posed a threat after he was gonna be placed under arrest. This is getting out of hand, nothing he did mattered it’s all the cops fault is the dumbest thing I’ve heard in a while. The cops treated him with respect from the word go he’ll you can make a case they were too friendly. The new world we live in now is for cops to stop drunk drivers and say hey sleep it off pal or call someone to get you you’re not going to jail, hilarious.

Did anything he did have the punishment of death? Did he deserve to die? How respectful are you being to a man while shooting him 3 times in the back?

[HarthorneWingo]

When you fail a breathalyzer or field test you are placed under arrest and are taken to jail, 6 hours later you’re released. You sleep and chill in the in jail with the other drunk guys not in your car, comical for someone to say let him sleep it off in his car. That **** doesn’t even happen in movies let alone real life

You and I know both know that cops have a wide discretion with what they could have done. I never once said to have him sleep in the car. However the man wasn’t acting belligerent, he didn’t pose a danger to himself or the officer before they attempted to arrest him. So they could have taken his keys and let him walk to his sisters place. If they were worried he’d have a spare set, then tow the car and provide a citation the following morning when he picks up his vehicle. I know you’re not naive enough to believe that police always follow the letter of the law.

In what World do dui people get to go home, where. Why the **** is it the cops fault that he acted belligerent and posed a threat after he was gonna be placed under arrest. This is getting out of hand, nothing he did mattered it’s all the cops fault is the dumbest thing I’ve heard in a while. The cops treated him with respect from the word go he’ll you can make a case they were too friendly. The new world we live in now is for cops to stop drunk drivers and say hey sleep it off pal or call someone to get you you’re not going to jail, hilarious.

Oh, you're a bootlicker? Was you're daddy a cop?

[blanko]

Depending on how many drinks you had cops sometimes tell you to go straight home and escort you home.if you are a too drunk they will take you in.



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[blanko]

Listen to this middle aged white man, conservative christian, man living in a homestead. He describes how the nature of the police has changed in 20+ years even for white people. He describes how the local police basically ruined his friends life. There is something fundamentally wrong with the culture of the police.

https://youtu.be/iC9ubZQmfCk

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[Pointgod]

When you fail a breathalyzer or field test you are placed under arrest and are taken to jail, 6 hours later you’re released. You sleep and chill in the in jail with the other drunk guys not in your car, comical for someone to say let him sleep it off in his car. That **** doesn’t even happen in movies let alone real life

You and I know both know that cops have a wide discretion with what they could have done. I never once said to have him sleep in the car. However the man wasn’t acting belligerent, he didn’t pose a danger to himself or the officer before they attempted to arrest him. So they could have taken his keys and let him walk to his sisters place. If they were worried he’d have a spare set, then tow the car and provide a citation the following morning when he picks up his vehicle. I know you’re not naive enough to believe that police always follow the letter of the law.

Sorry, I disagree. As soon as the cops tried to put the cuffs on Mr. Brooks' wrist and he subsequently not only resisted, but actually attacked the officers, then fired that laser gun at them, Mr. Brooks deserved everything that came to him.

We live in a land of law and order. If you don't follow police instructions and you fire a gun at a cop (Laser or otherwise) you are risking your life. He risked his and paid the ultimate price.

When the police arrest you, you follow their orders. Period. And when you're drunk you have no business sitting behind the wheel of an automobile.

And this incident had nothing to do with racism. It was a criminal against the law. In no way does this incident rival the George Floyd incident. Floyd wasn't fighting the cops. Brooks was.

It’s called a taser and it’s a non lethal weapon. He didn’t deserve to die for any of what transpired. Point blank, period. What you’re advocating for is to give police the sole discretion as to who lives and who does. Should jay walkers be executed? If someone doesn’t want to get out of their car for a traffic stop, then you agree police should be able to just shoot them because “hey law and order”

And if you believe in law and order then you will agree with the fact that based on the law, what the officer did was illegal.

The case, Tennessee v. Garner, led to a 1985 Supreme Court decision in the family's favor that established that police can't shoot fleeing suspects unless they pose immediate danger. For many states, the Garner decision set the first legal standard for police shootings since the 19th century, shifting notions of propriety in law enforcement and, for a time, reducing the number of people shot and killed by police.

If police can apprehend Dylan Roof who literally murdered 9 people and was armed, was apprehended without any violence (and even got Burger King ) there’s no reason that any unarmed person needs to be killed by police.

[HarthorneWingo]

Retired doc, wtf man?